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Stimulants Potency: d-amp, d,l-amp, mph, d-mph

peacelovedope

peacelovedope

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Does anyone have an idea what the order of potency of these would be per milligram? I'm assuming it's something like: d-amp>d-mph>d,l-amp>mph. I do know that dexmethylphenidate is twice the potency of racemic mph, but I'm not too sure how it rates among the others.
 
Dextro-Methamphetamine is the recreational drug methamphetamine. Levo-Meth has absolutely no noticeable CNS effects, while Dextro,Levo-Meth is less potent than Dextro-Meth but far more toxic. So in order from least potent to most potent (leaving out dextro-amphetamine) they would go L-Meth > D,L-Meth > D-Meth. I'd probably include D-Amp between D,L-Meth and D-Meth. Not sure about the Dex-Methylphenidate, sorry.
 
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many people report feeling more "amped and energetic" on dextro-amphetamine in comparison to dextro-methamphetamine
seems quite ironic, but that is my understanding of it
however, i have never tried d-meth, so i can't speculate

levo-amphetamine is more the "peripheral" effects, such as - jitters, anxiety etc
whilst dextro-amphetamine is the more mainstream effects that are desired, such as - euphoria, alertness, increased sociability etc

methylphenidate is an interesting drug, i find it very recreational when insufflated
however, the comedown sucks some serious balls, so i tend to stay away from it these days
racemic is basically a mix of both dextro and levo (not sure whether you know this but just chucking it in there)

so in the case of any stimulant, it should be:
d-amphetamine > d,l-amphetamine > l-amphetamine
hope this clears up some of your troubles
peace.
:)
 
Hugs & Drugs said:
so in the case of any stimulant, it should be:
d-amphetamine > d,l-amphetamine > l-amphetamine
hope this clears up some of your troubles
peace.
:)
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Ummm... if you've listed those in order from least potent to most potent (in terms of recreational effects), you've got them around the wrong way. D-Amp beats D,L-Amp, which beats L-Amp. As far as methamphetamine goes, from experience I'd place D-Amp between D,L-Meth and D-Meth.
 
no no, thats from most to least potent, sorry about that
haha

ahh okayy, fair enough
have you actually had pharmaceutical d-meth or d,l-meth?
cos i would love to hear what you think of them (mainly d-meth)

i have only tried d-amphetamine and methylphenidate myself
 
Sweet P is right, levo-methamphetamine is actually available OTC in the United States, under the slightly different sounding name of "levmetamfetamine", or Vicks Inhaler. Works quite well for this purpose...but has zero-to-extremely little CNS stimulation effects.

While I've never tried dextro-methamphetamine, as far as regular amphetamines go, levo-amphetamine (in Adderall, along with dextro-amphetamine) seems to make me more jittery and anxious then straight dextro-amphetamine, which is also known as Dexedrine.

That's just personal experience though.
 
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have you actually had pharmaceutical d-meth or d,l-meth?
cos i would love to hear what you think of them (mainly d-meth)
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No, not the pharmaceutical varieties! I've tried D,L-Meth accidentally after someone fucked up a synthesis, and D-Meth is my drug of choice... or rather, drug of need these days. Compared to Dextro-Amphetamine, it has a much more intense rush (when smoked or IV'd - not so much when snorted or taken orally), lasts a lot longer, is way more addictive, and has a much worse comedown. D-Amp is basically "D-Meth lite". Dextro-Methamphetamine is the recreational variant of meth.
 
Sweet P: this may be purely coincidental, but i've found when snorting street speed
i have a bigger rush and more intense euphoria etc, when compared to pharmaceutical dexamphetamine
my reasoning was the binders limiting the BA

this may also be the case for d-meth, but as far as pharmaceutical stuff goes, the binders weigh down on the effects when snorted even if it is much more pure
however, i've never had pharmaceutical or street d-meth, so i can't say for sure

peace.
 
^ That makes sense to me. Regarding street meth, I think smoking and IV'ing produce the greatest rush/euphoria because they have the highest bioavailabilities, and you don't have to wait for the drug to be absorbed by the stomach if taken orally. Snorting would produce a rush too (I only have limited experience with snorting meth - I'm not a snorter lol) but not to the same degree as smoking and IV'ing. According to Wikipedia, snorting meth has a 79% bioavailability, while smoking has 90%, and IV'ing obviously has 100%.
 
I was prescribed Desoxyn for roughly 4 years so I have much experience with D-Methamphetamine. In my opinion its barely more potent than Dexamphetamine. I find them almost equal in recreational value. I've also been on every single amphetamine/methylphenidate product available in my life, as I was diagnosed with ADD at age 12 (wow...thats 15 years ago, where did the time go?). From those stimulants you listed my potency chart would go something like this:

(lest to most potent)

D,L-Methylphenidate > D-Methylphenidate > D/L-Amphetamine > D-Amphetamine > D-Methamphetamine

My opinion.
 
^Hmm so you rate D-Mph above D,L-Amp. The position of those is what I was most unsure about. Out of these, I have only tried D,L-Mph and D,L-Amp but I should be obtaining some D-Mph in the next few days. Seeing as you have alot of experience with all of these, could you give me an idea what the D-Mph and D,L-Amp equivalent of say, 100 mgs of D,L-Mph would be?
 
Sweet P said:
No, not the pharmaceutical varieties! I've tried D,L-Meth accidentally after someone fucked up a synthesis, and D-Meth is my drug of choice... or rather, drug of need these days. Compared to Dextro-Amphetamine, it has a much more intense rush (when smoked or IV'd - not so much when snorted or taken orally), lasts a lot longer, is way more addictive, and has a much worse comedown. D-Amp is basically "D-Meth lite". Dextro-Methamphetamine is the recreational variant of meth.
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So Vyvanse/adderall Dextro Amphetamine stuff is like a mild(typical correctly done street methamphetamine, dextro-methamphetamine this thread is saying)? I always thought that 'methamphetamine' was 'methylamphetamine' or something. Ima lost!

So quality street meth('rocket fuel' chem. something blah blah in it(things I picked up listening to a 47 year old talking to an ex-ecstasy presser talk about their mdma and meth, rocket fuel-ish chemical somewhere in it apparently is good quality!) would be like a harder hitting longer lasting more euphoric dextro-amp? btw, I'm not wanting to get into meth just curious.

if somebody chewed up pills with mdma/meth/ketamine, and 14 minutes later they dropped to the floor with no body control(smiling lots, not shaking just laying), and got up feeling awesome a few minutes later with lots of laughing, which thing floored them?
 
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sir_thizzalot said:
I always thought that 'methamphetamine' was 'methylamphetamine' or something. Ima lost!
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Methylamphetamine is just a synonym for the chemical methamphetamine. Same thing. Recreational meth has the dextro isomer, making it dextro-methamphetamine.

sir_thizzalot said:
So quality street meth('rocket fuel' chem. something blah blah in it(things I picked up listening to a 47 year old talking to an ex-ecstasy presser talk about their mdma and meth, rocket fuel-ish chemical somewhere in it apparently is good quality!) would be like a harder hitting longer lasting more euphoric dextro-amp? btw, I'm not wanting to get into meth just curious.
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From my own personal experience, yes, dextro-methamphetamine (recreational meth) is harder hitting, longer lasting, and more euphoric than dextro-amphetamine. Some people may disagree with me.
 
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peacelovedope said:
^Hmm so you rate D-Mph above D,L-Amp. The position of those is what I was most unsure about. Out of these, I have only tried D,L-Mph and D,L-Amp but I should be obtaining some D-Mph in the next few days. Seeing as you have alot of experience with all of these, could you give me an idea what the D-Mph and D,L-Amp equivalent of say, 100 mgs of D,L-Mph would be?
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Yes, D-Meth is certainly more potent than D,L-Meth. I couldn't even begin to give you equivalent doses though, sorry.
 
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interesting, I've always wondered about that(two posts up). The crash you mention is probably what would keep it a real rare occasion thing for me(and maby just lower doses than most people would like, I think what I take for the positive DexAmp is less than most people do most of the time, just to make the crash easier). For now I'm still not intending to be out smoking meth for fun, just aiding my curiousity of that nice substance that was in so many of my october/november pills =).
 
Sweet P said:
Yes, D-Meth is certainly more potent than D,L-Meth. I couldn't even begin to give you equivalent doses though, sorry.
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When did I ever say anything about meth in that post or in this thread at all for that matter??? When I say mph I'm referring to methylphenidate, sorry if I wasn't being clear.
 
Is ritilan(sp?) considered methylphenidate? Sorry if that's completely wrong I've just recently become interested in prescription stims and don't know too much about them.
 
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ritalin/concerta drug(can't remember it): one hour of extra hyper funness, followed by 12 hours of shittttt. maby not chewing up time releases would have helped but I tried some different doses.
dexamp is much better, and doesn't make my heart rate shoot up from minor exercise for the next 10 days after use like said shitty 1 hour high drug.
 
I've sniffed crystal once and thought it was cool but I wasn't amazed. Today was my first time using a prescription stim which was 100mg of rit. I actually enjoyed it, got mood elevation + motivation boost but it clearly didn't not have much of a speedy tweak feeling. Is methylphenidate considered to be at the lower end of the stims?
 
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