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Stimulants Possible ADHD symptoms apparent after taking amphetamines.

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I was going to bump an older thread, but the OP had provided little info on the subject and was no longer a registered user. The thread was old anyway.
I believe I may have ADHD, in fact I feel so strongly about it I'm wanting your experienced opinions (especially from ADHD diagnosed bl'ers!)

At a young age I had issues focusing at school, ended up dropping out at 14. Lots of issues concentrating, and I did have the ADHD tests while I was younger (unsure of results) and for a period I was on zoloft for apparent depression - Although this did nothing for me at the time, even made me sick.

Fast forward to now, Here I am dabbling in drugs.... Have been given dexamphetamine and ritalin by friends recreationally. I have taken a list of Adult ADHD symptoms and described how I believe I experience each and every one of those symptoms (see below).

I had never really thought I may have ADHD until recently taking ice, And just happened to notice I had changed , I was able to take Methamphetamine/dexamphetamine/ritalin and NOT get speedy, I speak slowly, and a lot of the symptoms below are no longer apparent. Normally I am quite loud and can ramble on and talk quite fast. This is what first made me think I am not having a standard stim effect from amphet's, and MAYBE I might have ADHD. Worth investigating as a diagnosis would explain a lot!

After lining up all of the symptoms I feel I fit them all to a 'T' but would appreciate any advice you guys may have for me. I could go a lot further in detail, but will save this for a psyc appointment, I just need to know if it's worth approaching my GP for a referral, 5-10mg oral or smoked methamphetamine negates most of the below mentioned negative effects and appears to have improved on my life so much, I had not even realized that I had such severe ADHD symptoms, and just put it down to depression which I have been diagnosed with (and the meds are not helping on that front, even making me sick)

It's just, if I'm going to be taking amphet's for this issue I would definitely not want to be going down an illegal path to treat an illness, I do realize this means no more recreational amphet's which is fine by me, the only major effect is dry mouth, jaw tension and the ability to stay up if i want to (but yes, I can sleep on it too, which is unusual I hear?)

Below is a list of symptoms I have researched online for Adult ADHD.

Symptoms & How I feel I have them:

1. A sense of underachievement or of not meeting your goals, regardless of how much you have actually accomplished. Yes - Most prominent at work, but thinking about it, it is a factor outside of work.
2. Difficulty getting organised. Yes - Often forgetting simple things like the fact I have no clean clothes for the next day.
3. Chronic procrastination or trouble getting started. Yes - Every morning is a struggle to get out of bed and started, more-so in myself than I have ever heard of in others (my partner, family members, friends..)
4. Many projects going simultaneously, but trouble with follow through. Yes - Often have trouble concentrating on one thing , best example being at work being tasked with 3-4 different things with varying priorities and having trouble focusing on them and completing the work even though I am capable.
5. A tendency to say what comes to mind, without considering the timing or appropriateness of the remark. Yes - This has caused great relationship stress and continues to be an issue. Also has been a problem at work, apparently often frustrating coworkers. I am very sensitive about how I come across, and DO realize when this occurs.
6. Frequently searching for high stimulation. Yes? – Always trying to keep busy, extremely frustrated and angry otherwise.
7. Intolerance of boredom. Yes - Aas above (somewhat) – A good example being last night, Alone and extremely bored, however all of my friends were busy or not going out. I have trouble describing the anger and frustration I feel in a situation like this. (Not so angry at anyone else I suppose, But angry that I’m wasting time?)
8. Easy distractibility, trouble focusing attention or a tendency to tune out or drift away in the middle of a page or a conversation – often coupled with an ability to hyperfocus at times. Yes - Have noticed this in conversations, external noise tends to distract me and has caused issues in both a work and social setting. I have a tendency to also drift off into another subject also, whilst trying to hold a conversation.
9. Often creative, intuitive and highly intelligent. N/A - Will not self describe on this point.
10. Trouble in going through established channels and following 'proper' procedure. Yes? - Unfortunately. No short example to give here.
11. Impatient; low tolerance of frustration. YES – As per question #7, frustration often leads to anger (unsure at whom), but I have lashed out for no apparent reason.
12. Impulsiveness, either verbally or in action, eg impulsive spending of money, changing plans or enacting new schemes or career plans; hot-tempered. Yes – Impulsive spending of money. Also changing plans frequently, often affecting other people.
13. A tendency to worry needlessly, endlessly; a tendency to scan the horizon looking for something to worry about, alternating with inattention or disregard for actual dangers. Yes? – Unsure how to answer this one in text format though.
14. A sense of insecurity. – Yes - Especially in a social setting. Worried people are judging me, and the little things eg: thinking people looking at me and judging me on the way I look (body weight, but even little things like If I happen to have facial hair at the time, or if I am due for a haircut etc..)
15. Mood swings, especially when disengaged from a person or a project. – Yes – Extreme mood swings, often impacting on my relationship, coupled with symptom #5 this has caused major issues between myself and my partner.
16. Physical or mental restlessness. Yes – Feeling like I must keep moving or doing something always. Scratching my arm, cracking my knuckles/neck/back.
17. A tendency toward addictive behaviour. N/A – Not sure how I can accurately self answer this question at this point in time.
18. Chronic problems with self-esteem. Yes – Major self-esteem issues, social awkwardness/anxiety to a point I suppose….. Very self conscious about my body weight and appearance.
19. Inaccurate self-observation. N/A – Definitely not something I can comment on myself, being a self-observation and all.
20. Family history of ADHD or manic-depressive illness, depression, substance misuse or other mood disorders. Yes – My mother has had a battle with depression for years. My father has quite an aggressive personality. No known substance use in family.
 
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Most of the symptoms of the so called ADHD arise pretty quickly simply because of drug use (abuse).

ADHD seems like a way for some of the major pharm companies (and doctors) to make profit off of other, possibly more serious, underlying conditions like depression and anxiety. Sometimes we just need to take care of ourselves.

It's amazing what staying off drugs, some good exercise, and a healthy diet can do. I think amphetamines only put one in a worse position, masking symptoms of another problem (maybe just a poor diet even), and possibly creating an issue of dependence.

I don't believe a single person on this planet is better off with amphetamines, no matter what the case.

just my opinion of course.
 
Thanks.

I'll expand a bit on my amphet use, I'm not so sure It's BECAUSE of the drug use as:

First time using amphet was a ritalin LA 30-40mg, can't remember. This was 1 year+ ago, took it and happily went to sleep within the next hour or two. Friend with the prescribed meds was scratching his head the next morning and was expecting me to perk up.

Maybe 6 months after that was 2x 5mg dexamphetamine within a timeframe of about 1hr. My friend was asking If i was feeling anything, and of course I said No. We were relaxing on the couch and If anything at the time I felt more relaxed. Although did not realize this at the time. Bongs were also involved :)

5 months after that, (about a month ago now) , first time eating methamphetamine, took 50mg orally and felt awake, just relaxing at home, had the jaw clenching going on but not feeling overly energetic or speedy/talkative.
The next night I went out and took the other 50mg I had, orally. Ended up going out in town, was great to keep me awake and apparently negate the effects of drinking alcohol but that's about it really. No boost of energy, but when the time came where i would usually be tired I foun

And yeah, just recently is when I've started thinking maybe ADHD is the cause, As you can see above I've clearly not overly abused these drugs to the point where you would think symptoms like this may be caused by amphets (if possible?). And of course I'm not addicted or anything like that. I can now think straight, it's mellowed me out and I feel that there is benefits for me that go beyond just taking it for recreational purposes. I'm not about to go and start self medicating on meth every day, as I'm wary about what is going into my body and something cooked in a plastic bottle in someones back shed isn't what i'd call medicine.
 
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Talk to a doctor. I don't reccomend you self-medicate and I also strongly reccomend you avoid mentioning that smoking ice broght you to this decision.

Amphetamines can be a valuable tool, but don't rely on them to make your work interesting.
 
Ah, see therein lies the issue. I'm not out to get amphetamines prescribed If I don't have ADHD - They are not my DOC at all. I use amphet's very irregularly and only on occasion (as you can see) and had just noticed these effects seemed a little off, I put 2 and 2 together.. that's all. But wanting an answer as to whether I may or may not have ADHD. Then whatever treatments are available from there to help with my issues would be welcome.
I will make an appointment and see if I can get a referral to a psych to go over it I suppose. The issue I face is whether to disclose non prescribed amphetamine use or not. I'm not sure I could've even fathom to explain my symptoms to a dr without trying amphetamines.

Still welcoming any BL'ers opinions. I can appreciate your view 'i are spectre', I am neutral on the matter as I have a friend that ritalin has helped immensely, both socially and in his work life. He is a different person and has changed for the better. Take away his medication and It could potentially ruin his life.
 
Will do :)

Definitely not planning on self medicating, for one I can't afford it. If someone was to take 10mg meth daily, or 10-15mg dexamphetamine... the dexamphetamine comes out on top by a lot($$$). It is medication afterall, and without talking prices it is fair cheaper per mg, and a lot safer to dose.

I'll take your advice and mention the symptoms and how I feel, and the fact It matches up with the Adult ADHD symptoms. I have been diagnosed with depression by my doctor, and was supposed to be sent to a psychiatrist anyway for that reason - but my doctor has not yet done the referral.
 
Most of the symptoms of the so called ADHD arise pretty quickly simply because of drug use (abuse).

ADHD seems like a way for some of the major pharm companies (and doctors) to make profit off of other, possibly more serious, underlying conditions like depression and anxiety. Sometimes we just need to take care of ourselves.

It's amazing what staying off drugs, some good exercise, and a healthy diet can do. I think amphetamines only put one in a worse position, masking symptoms of another problem (maybe just a poor diet even), and possibly creating an issue of dependence.

I don't believe a single person on this planet is better off with amphetamines, no matter what the case.

just my opinion of course.

Thank God!
 
Amphetamine makes most everyone feel on top of things more so than usual. "God-like" is a pretty common approximation I hear thrown around and I agree with. The effects on mood and motivation are astounding. It's not really natural for the body to be in this state though.

Also, many people describe the effect of amphetamine as tranquil. Sure, it's a speedy drug, but the utter clarity is a pretty confident, tranquil feeling IMO.
 
i think sekio made a great point -"amphetamines can be a valuable tool, but don't rely on them to make your work interesting"....
in my opinion there are alot of grey areas with this topic: in terms of defining ADHD/diagnosing it/treating it/benifits vs potential risks of amphetamines/potential for mis-use etc... I used them therapeutically for years but slowly the recreational use and abuse escalated. IM NOT IMPLYING that this would happen to everyone..but i do think sekio's advice to make sure you don't start to rely on them is great. Def a drug to be cautious with...
 
Most of the symptoms of the so called ADHD arise pretty quickly simply because of drug use (abuse).

ADHD seems like a way for some of the major pharm companies (and doctors) to make profit off of other, possibly more serious, underlying conditions like depression and anxiety. Sometimes we just need to take care of ourselves.

It's amazing what staying off drugs, some good exercise, and a healthy diet can do. I think amphetamines only put one in a worse position, masking symptoms of another problem (maybe just a poor diet even), and possibly creating an issue of dependence.

I don't believe a single person on this planet is better off with amphetamines, no matter what the case.

just my opinion of course.
And your opinion is a terrible one. I was first diagnosed with ADD at age 11, and anxiety around the same time. I later gotta taken off the AD meds to see if I could deal with it on my own, and couldn't. Longer down the road I developed depression after some traumatic events took place in my life, and ended up dropping out of school for the time being. I had no motivation, high anxiety and just about every trait of adult ADD you can imagine. This year, I got tested again, and it was a clear cut case that, while I am very intelligent, my motivation and ability to focus and prioritize, as well as overall cleanliness in all aspects of my life, were missing. I got started on Vyvanse, and boy did I ,'wake up'. I had unknown motivation, unknown concentration and organizational skills, as well as being more empathetic and caring to others, since I wasn't worrying about my problems. So, to so no one on this planet is better off with amphetamines is false, and that's a fact.
 
Sounds like your brain just became dependent on the medication at an early age...

"I got started on Vyvanse, and boy did I ,'wake up'."

The human brain is not fully developed by age 11. Unfortunate to hear you were placed on mind altering drugs before your mind had completely developed.
 
This thread has gone far enough. Talk to your doctor and explain the symptoms if you think you have ADD. Nobody here at BL is qualified to tell you if you really do or don't have it.
 
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