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Opioids Poppy Seed Tea Safety? Am I Fucked?

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Junks

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Ok, I am going to come out and be straight because I am just about scared SHITLESS.

I have always basically combined PST with all my doses of opiates for about umm, oh 4 or 5 years!?!?

The first time I found it, and worked out that it does indeed give a high, I just combined started to combine it with any dose of oxy or codeine I was taking. Every dose, almost without fail. If I did not include it, the high felt much weaker..!

Now I find out that it may contain heavy metals ie lead cadmium manganese. Please if there are any long term users of seed, come forward so we can get an outcome. Is this true? Is it absorbable? Are you still alive? Will I get cancer?

I have read all the threads from here and the net, and none have come to a conclusion.

I am willing to pay money to get samples looked at if any mod can link me somewhere to go to. I have used the tea upwards of 100s to 1000 of times, fuk. HELP HELP PLEASEESEE
 
fuck knows i was always kind of worried about that. But the seeds used for PST are usually food grade so i don't know, probably not a big deal if they are meant for consumption anyway?

i don't think anyone has come to a conclusion, it's debated and no one has done any tests. I took PST for almost 2 years, not really long term but since quitting haven't noticed any issues. It's been like 9 months since i quit but i doubt it's really a big concern. Other than what's already out there i can't contribute anything to the debate. I've had full blood work done before and after and no issues there at least. I remember reading all the forum topics about it and somewhere i decided it probably wasn't a big deal. I'd be more concerned with accidentally ODing by mixing PST with stronger opiates.
 
Ugh, the internet is terrible-

Look- most soil is full of cadmium as it is a byproduct of the fertilizers that are used. The majority of it remains in the soil. Small amounts (i.e. trace amounts) of cadmium does get into the plant- however this is true of anything grown with fertilizer (i.e. everything- even organic shit, as virtually all farmland has been accumulating cadmium since the '40s). You will consume far more cadmium from vegetables, fruit and diary products than you will from PST.

Yes, cadmium poisoning is very serious and all- but you are in no danger of cadmium poisoning. As pointed out- they are seeds intended for the FOOD industry which have guidelines about acceptable levels of cadmium. You can debate about whether or not these levels are actually monitored, but that's something else.

In all likelihood you have fallen victim to scare-mongering undertaken by organic food growers as a form of advertising for their products. Cadmium is something you need to worry about as it is not particularly well absorbed by plants and it is very easily removed from the land (by growing particular plants for a couple of seasons) anyway. Besides, if you had heavy metal poisoning you'd notice something was up.

Cadmium is more likely to kill your pets (pet food commonly contains dangerous levels of cadmium). In all honesty mercury in fish is a bigger concern.

--Grew up in rural area--
 
Hello, thanks for the responses. I feel better already, but I am still a little worried because of how long and how frequent I have used them.

RobotRipping, so the full blood work test that you did, does that check the levels of heavy metals in your system? Or is it only for your kidneys and liver? Also was your PST for two years daily or infrequent?

Limonov, cheers that makes sense. It is a food product, but it is not meant to be consumed in the KG amounts lol. More like a sprinkle.....a scientific study also showed that the seeds do have large amounts of cadmium and warned about consumption amounts in children being accounted for in Eastern Europe.

If anyone else has anything else to add please do so...especially users who have had blood work done etc.]

Also just say they do contain heavy metals, does it wash off the seed/does the water soak it up, OR does it still stay inside the seeds? Are there any other health concerns? This thread will also help other people from abstaining using seeds if we do indeed come to a conclusion that they are dangerous.

Also, how can I get tests done on a sample?
 
2 years daily, i don't think they check specifically for heavy metals, i can't remember all the tests that were performed though, there were a bunch, have had blood work numerous times checking for different things so i think if i had heavy metal poisoning it would have popped up somewhere.

i'm inclined to agree with limonov; whatever amount of heavy metals found in PST are no where near significant enough to cause any issues, but having some scientific tests/studies or anecdotal evidence couldn't hurt.
I guess knowing whether the cadmium is on the seeds or in the seeds or whether it ends up in PST is more important as PST users can go through KGs/day, that may allow for accumulation beyond what any normal person would get from eating poppy seed bagels or whatever.
 
No one else really has no concern? Are there no users of PST out there? No one has ever been a regular user and then had tests and remained healthy?
 
Without any exaggeration I can say that I have consumed poppy tea made from several tonnes of poppy seeds over around the last 5 years and I am still perfectly healthy.

I understand that you're probably not looking for my input (as I have already completely dismissed your concerns), but as I say I grew up in a rural area surrounded by farms so I do actually know what I'm talking about.

However, ponder this- I don't consume the seeds. I consume a tea made from the seeds. The cadmium is IN the plant & its components, thus it may be IN the seeds (although that is not a given- we have no idea what the distribution of cadmium in poppy plants is) however we do not consume more than a 'normal' amount of seeds, so any cadmium in the plant matter will probably remain in the plant matter and thus be discarded.

I haven't had any specific tests relating to the levels of cadmium in my body because it's not necessary. I do not and have not displayed any symptoms of any form of heavy metal poisoning.

Relax. You are not going to die. Stop freaking out. If you're that fucking worried go to a doctor yourself! It'll be a huge waste of money!
 
I might be the brave guinea pig and go to the doctors to settle this matter once and for all....I am way so so scard though. I can just imagine the Dr. looking up at me with grim looking eyes saying I have huge amounts of metals in my system and have five or so year to live...

Does anyone know if you can get the Cadmium /Lead and other poisons out of your body? Or is it 100% permanent?
 
Junks said:
I might be the brave guinea pig and go to the doctors to settle this matter once and for all....I am way so so scard though. I can just imagine the Dr. looking up at me with grim looking eyes saying I have huge amounts of metals in my system and have five or so year to live...

Does anyone know if you can get the Cadmium /Lead and other poisons out of your body? Or is it 100% permanent?
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Removing heavy metals from your body is a fairly simple process. There are medications and various changes to diet can help.

Have you been suffering from inflammation, cough, dryness & irritation of the nose and throat, headaches, dizziness, weakness, aches and pains, fever, chills, chest pain or any symptoms of kidney/liver problems? If not you don't have heavy metal poisoning.

Heavy metal poisoning is not something that you can have and not know that something is going on- you may not know the cause, but you absolutely know something is up. Cadmium poisoning, in particular, is very lethal so it presents obvious symptoms very quickly...

I just don't understand WHY you think you have heavy metal poisoning from poppy seeds! There is plenty of bullshit going around about cadmium in the media recently- anti-fertilizer shit that has been old hat since the early '80s when cadmium buildup was recognised and people started getting their land tested and growing things like silverbeet or sugarbeet to take the cadmium out of the land cheaply and easily. YOu seem to be a victim of pro-organic farming propaganda more than anything.
 
Quit googling shit, you are just scaring yourself. Anyways, even if you did have cadmium poisoning, what could you do about it?

If you feel fine then don't worry about it. Remember, we start dying the day we are born.
 
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Without trying to be rude- what the hell are you looking for? I don't think you're going to get much more than you already have, there is no reason to bump this thread.

If you are THAT fucking concerned you need to go to your doctor, say that you've been reading about worrying levels of Cadmium entering the food chain due to overuse of fertilizers that affix cadmium to the soil and that you would like to have your Cadmium/heavy metal levels tested. While you're there you should also take liver and kidney function tests (Cadmium poisoning causes irreversible damage to both the liver and kidneys) for good measure.

You will almost certainly have to pay out of pocket for such tests as, without displaying any symptoms (paranoia is not a symptom), there is no medical necessity...but there's no reason you couldn't get them done. Your best bet is to talk about how you've been getting into organic food as well as doing research into modern farming methods and that you're particularly concerned about rising levels of Cadmium in agricultural land due to overuse of fertilizers...although you should probably be careful to make it clear that you want the tests out of personal interest/as an experiment- your behaviour could be interpreted as delusional, particularly as you aren't displaying any symptoms.
 
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Sorry Limonov, I realize that I have been bumping it too much. Your replies also give me great comfort.

Look, what I was really hoping was that a bump here and there might catch someone online who has been a seed user and had the tests done...my apologies.

I am very scared to go to the doctor...but I think I am. When I ask for the test, can I just say heavy metals, and if Cadmium is high it would show? Or do I have to ask specifically for Cadmium?

I would find it easier to not be specific as to not arouse suspicion...
 
Junks said:
Sorry Limonov, I realize that I have been bumping it too much. Your replies also give me great comfort.

Look, what I was really hoping was that a bump here and there might catch someone online who has been a seed user and had the tests done...my apologies.

I am very scared to go to the doctor...but I think I am. When I ask for the test, can I just say heavy metals, and if Cadmium is high it would show? Or do I have to ask specifically for Cadmium?

I would find it easier to not be specific as to not arouse suspicion...
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As I said in my post above, there has recently been a lot of news coverage about Cadmium levels- it is a problem that is caused by modern fertilizers so the organic farming folks have been pushing the issue hard. I mean, look at this article from 2012:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=is-cadmium-as-dangerous-for-children-lead

As I said above just tell your doctor that you've been on a health kick lately, have been getting into organic food and all that good shit and in doing so you've been researching food safety- particularly about Cadmium build up in the food chain due to the chronic overuse of fertilizer. You could probably spend 20 minutes on google and print out some articles about this shit. Ask if he can order tests for cadmium/other heavy metals, as well as liver/kidney function tests for you- as I said you'll almost certainly have to pay out of your own pocket and there's no harm in taking the tests.

This is like the third time I've said this. I'm not posting any more in this thread.

*Graham Chapman walks on*
Stop all this then! This thread is simply too silly!
 
I will tell you 2 things that I found on this subject that may make you sleep easier.

One is whether making tea is going to extract an appreciable amount of cadmium from the seeds. Cadmium is inside the seeds, not on the outside. You are just washing the opium dust off the outside of the seeds and then consuming that liquid. Of course the seeds are very small so its possible the cadmium seeps out of the seed and into the tea, but AFAIK no one has tested their tea for cadmium levels so it is not clear. We know the seeds are very small, but can the cadmium contained inside permeate its way through the seed shell and into the water??? And does water break down the shells do allow it to happen? Does it make a difference how long you wash the seeds, what you use to make the tea stronger (lemon juice, vinegar)? These are all questions that need to be answered on this subject and have not been answered.

Also what needs to be considered is the type of cadmium, or molecular make up of the cadmium used in fertilizer and whether it is soluable in water. I can't say for sure what form of cadmium is used in fertilizers, but they are phosphate fertilizers which contain cadmium. If it is Cadmium phosphate, that is about the least water soluable form of cadmium, with only very-very small, trace amounts being absorbed in water. In that case it would be no more dangerous than eating broccoli or carrots.
 
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No one else really has no concern? Are there no users of PST out there? No one has ever been a regular user and then had tests and remained healthy?
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i have never been on large time term using tea, but i know a guy who did it, and never heard him worried about the cadmiun. Is the first time i listen to it. Dont know if it helps.

The most popular blog about opium in spanish neither share any alert about the cadmiun.
 
Hello Junks,

My friend Manosisimo uses PST regularly for years and has never had symptoms of heavy metal poisoning. If you are worried, you should speak to a medical professional. I am a Scientist(tm) and I am more worried about the morphine in the seeds than the cadmium (ha ha ha). My area of expertise is not medicine and you should not interpret anything I say as medical advice!

-mañoso
 
Guys I got some bloodwork results back and everything came back normal, but I did not ask specifically for heavy metals. I just told them a regular check-up an that I had been a hard alcoholic throughout my life...I suppose if I had high levels of metals they would of seen it in my blood correct? Anyway those results came back normal.

Now, is there anything else that I should be wary of? Can I continue using seeds safely? Any other potential harms seeds may cause besides reversible things like addiction?
 
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