Poppy Seed Tea Recovery/Addiction

pip57302

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For a while I have read the forums and am not new to addiction. I had been 8 years sober form any substances for the most part. I had an alcohol addiction that i kicked in 2007 and was sober until 2015. The only medication I took during this time was Celexa which was prescribed by my doctor for anxiety/ocd issues. Its a small dose once per day that I still take. I am writing this forum to help others who are trying to kick the PST habit seeing there is not too much info on the forums. FIRST of all let me tell you that a PST habit is just as bad and may be even worse than any other opiate habit. This stuff is no joke and not to be dismissed as weak. It is long lasting and sometimes would keep me high well over 16 hours. You are not just taking one substance but about 40 different alkaliods and whatever else is in the seeds including pestisides ect.... Here is my story:

I started using Poppy Seed Tea in the beginning of 2015. It started out like you all know as a once in a while thing on the weekends. It progressed to every weekend, then a few times during the week, then everyday. Once I started using it everyday during the summer of 2015, it became very aparant to my self that I had a problem. If for some reason I didn't use it, or could not get any seeds the withdrawals would start at around the 24 to 36 hour mark. I was scared to death of the withdrawals, so of course I kept using, and upping my dose to around almost 5lbs of quality seeds per day. I wanted to quit sooo bad but, i didn't have any time left to take off at work and knew I may be in for a rough ride for a few days after stopping. So i continued to use until January of 2016 when I had time I could take off from work. I set my date for my last cup of tea for January 6th. I had no idea the withdrawals were going to be so bad.

January 7th - withdrawals starting to kick in but not horrible, able to function at work, some anxiety at night but able to sleep. Yawning excessivly.
January 8th - Woke up in a pool of sweat, horrible anxiety, hot and cold flashes during the day. By evening in the fetal possition in bed rocking back and forth wondering when this will end. Exhausted but unable to sleep. Not able to keep any of my body parts still Symptoms 5X worse than the morning. Wife is concerned over the fact im no really responding to her and my eyes are fully dialated. She drives me to the ER that night which i remember as a big blur. They shoot me up with all sorts of benzos which have 0 effect. Diareaha starts and i shit myself in the hospital bed. Nothing could push through the withdrawal. They tell her im going to be like this for a few days and send me home with a script of Klonopin for 7 days.
January 9th - Another horrible day same as yesterday. Spend the day in the fetal possition rocking back and forth hoping for everything to be over. Klonopin not doing a damn thing. Looking at the clock every 5 minutes. All symptoms still present. NO SLEEP.
January 10th -You guessed it, same as yesterday. At some point over the last day I started to take immodium to stop shitting every hour. NO SLEEP.
January 11th - Feel a little better, Anxiety and stomach issues still present. Cant sit still for more than 5 minutes. NO SLEEP.
January 12th- Feeling a little better each day. NO SLEEP.

For me the no sleep thing seemed to hang on the longest...and never fully resolved itself. In March I relapsed and used for a little over a month before stopping 14 days ago. I used daily but in a lot smaller amounts, no more than 1 1/2 to 2lbs per day. I have to tell you the withdrawals were worse than the 1st time. Had all the same symptoms as above but a little worse. I figured that since I wasnt using alot it would be easier, boy was I wrong. I refused to let my wife bring me anywhere and just rode it out on tylenol and immodium. The worst part is the lack of sleep. I have gone 14 days with little or no sleep. Granted the physical symptoms are gone, but I still can seem to sleep much. 5 days into it this time I caved in and went to my doctor and told her what was going on and that my major issues was with insomnia. She gave me a script for Gabapentin, this helped me relax and sleep the 1st night for a few hours, but hasn't worked since so i stopped taking it after 5 days, seeing that it can have a whole host of withdrawal issues itself if taken to long. Granted it did help me relax and not mind as much not sleeping but I don't want to go through another withdrawal. I have another follow up appointment with the doctor today, I feel good and am fine during the day except for being exhausted and not able to sleep well. I got 2 hours of sleep last night maybe, so i didnt go into work today...just to exhausted to function properly. Will let the doctor know later that the gabapentin not working and see what other solutions she has. I am not interested in taking anything for more that a week tops for sleep. My body cant go through one more withdrawal.....

I will be checking in frequently if anyone was any questions.
January 10
 
Thank you for sharing - that sounds horrible. I have always been curious about poppy seed tea, and had thought about trying it in the near future once I get enough poppies growing. After reading this I'm having second thoughts - still going to grow the flowers because I love them and they're beautiful!

How have you been feeling lately?
 
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After your first withdrawal they only get worse. And being able to sleep well is one thing that takes the longest to get back to normal. IMO the physical withdrawals are still better than the emotional feelings that mess your life during months and months after you quit.

The anxiety that makes you think you'll never be back to normal again. I trust that you simply have to accept the new person you become. Sometimes more serious, more hectic but strong enough to confront all these new challenges.
I wish the best of luck to you. Keep in touch!
 
I feel like crap Xbenzogirl!!! that evil concoction is the devil pure and simple. Not something to be messed with. Im on day 14 of my withdrawal and still have issues. Nothing, I mean nothing at all has helped with sleep. I have tried it all, OTC benedryll (made anxiety and restlessness much worse), melatonin, valarian, vitamins, eating healthy, and prescribed gabapentin for sleep. I have a 14 day supply of ambien that i got today and will try one tonight. I have a supportive doctor who seems to understand things. Told her that I did not want to take anything for a long period of time that would have withdrawals of its own. Im fine during the day except from the exhaustion of not sleeping. Im able to function at this point at 90%. The demons seem to arrive when the sun comes down and its bed time. My whole family is snoring away and im wandering around the house trying to figure out what to do with myself to the wee hours and then sun up. I get so irritated with myself at night. The most sleep I have gotten is maybe 2 hours here and there a few nights. I guess as the saying goes, If you play with fire you bound to get burnt....had no idea it would be this bad all over again. I will not give in this time my resolve is 100%. Thanks for reading both of you!
 
Thank you for sharing - that sounds horrible. I have always been curious about poppy seed tea, and had thought about trying it in the near future once I get enough poppies growing. After reading this I'm having second thoughts - still going to grow the flowers because I love them and they're beautiful!

How have you been feeling lately?

I think it's ok for occasional use like most things. You have to be strong in your resolve to not overuse. And that's the rub of course. We are not always strong all the time and usually sooner or later we get caught in that addictive web. I'm very lucky it happened to me very late in life. (63). In fact I told myself when I was young I'd retire to the Opium dens in old age and damned if that's not exactly what happened. And due to a chronic illness that causes pain it all began. I'm resolved therefor to be on opiates the rest of my life so I don't worry too much about these issues really. But damn if I was 20 or 30 I'd be really fucking sad.
 
I think it's ok for occasional use like most things. You have to be strong in your resolve to not overuse. And that's the rub of course. We are not always strong all the time and usually sooner or later we get caught in that addictive web. I'm very lucky it happened to me very late in life. (63). In fact I told myself when I was young I'd retire to the Opium dens in old age and damned if that's not exactly what happened. And due to a chronic illness that causes pain it all began. I'm resolved therefor to be on opiates the rest of my life so I don't worry too much about these issues really. But damn if I was 20 or 30 I'd be really fucking sad.

I think it's worse when it happens young as it interferes with mental, physical, and social development which leads to so many other ancillary issues.

Your retirement plan made me laugh - I just spit coffee through my nose lol. I can't help but feel your situation is different as your are ill, and actually need the medication. I've read so many accounts of people trying to cope with illness and accidentally falling into addiction, so now they have two issues to deal with, it's sad.

I know so many young people who deal with illness and their medication list scares me. I don't think they realize the dangerous of some of these substances, and feel like there is no issue because it's doctor prescribed. I have one friend how had bariatric surgery and was given opiates, Xanax, and Ambien to deal with anxiety, sleep issues, fibromyalgia, and other chronic spine pain from having to bear her weight (she was over 300 lbs at one point). Now on top of it she drinks (there is a strong correlation between the development of alcoholism and some forms of bariatric surgery). Of course, nobody listens if you try to warn them about medications, since the Internet we've all turned into medical experts lol. It's been fascinating watching her slide into addiction, as the medication regime mimicked my own in many ways (I have never been over weight nor have I had any major illness other than addiction) and watching her go through the progression. It's like watching myself from the outside looking in, and I have learned so much.

ETA - as for the poppy tea I'm thinking I will pass. I didn't realize it was strong enough to have an addictive potential, and I'm an all or nothing type of person. I don't need to mess with it lol.
 
I do agree. Most of the young IMO seek out these drugs as an escape from a rotten home life and a future that holds little but wage slavery and a degraded environment. If I was young today I'd hang myself while masturbating on the way out.
 
I too agree and I am quite young still (32). When I was in middle school equivalent there was always something to do on our own outside without going into mall or spending a dime and all this without different electronic devices. I did have a cell phone as I am from a yuppie family, but I couldn't call pretty much anyone except my family as my friends didn't have their own cell phones.

Currently there is growing trend for even 8 to 10 years old to be spending their time in shopping malls, cafés and similar just like I used to do in High School equivalent (I pretty much spend my whole time in a one billiard café/bar during those days). Kids nowadays have pressures on how they look and do they have clothes that others accept and such. I didn't and as I have talked with my childhood friends they didn't have either. We grew up during a biggest recession here and people were just contend for what clothes their parents could afford and didn't long for those +100USD designer jeans.

There are plenty of other pressures too as soon they'll notice that they must start thinking what to do when they grow up and must have a plan to succeed in life. If some part part of that plan crumbles then it is a recipe for a disaster and a year without being in college or similar ends up to another year and then another and so on and soon they find out they have excluded themselves from society.

Something is pushing our youngs to behave like adults too soon instead of letting them be young. At the same time emotional instability and erratic behoviour keeps growing.

Overmedicating is also another issue. You can't deal with your home issues and you get a antidepressant which causes you to be jittery and you get benzos and can't sleep due something and you get yourself z-drugs and so on.
 
I was a poppy seed tea addict, then I progressed to poppy pod tea, about 7 years total, every day. I tried to kick many times, then I got on suboxone. Been in the program for three years now, tapering from 8mg a day to 6mg.

Good luck to you. I couldn't get through it cause the half life is so long, and wd so painful. I tried switching to kratom, but Im not the biggest fan,
 
Yes, there is more pressure today than ever but every youth today has more opportunity to advance through society than ever before as well. I must say though, as a kid from the 80's, I grew up with a lot of pressure regarding cloths, style, brands, starting at a very young age. Maybe I was more aware of it because I had grown up in Spain and then moved to the states, so previously I had never known of other people my age caring about such things. I think today's' youth view college as a right, and not a privledge as it was seen when I was young. By having such an easy access to higher education possibilities are endless, and to me that means that youths have more opportunities now.
 
Yeah the half life is crazy. I would use then could still feel the effects sometimes 16 hrs later. Toward the end the withdrawals would come like clockwork about 30 hours after my last dose. The first sign would be this terrible overwhelming feel of fatigue, then about 10 hours later the fun began. I'm glad I was able to do it cold turkey. It was a pure 7 days of he'll with slowly improving physical symptoms from there, only no sleep. The ambien/gabapentin last night did help me sleep. I was up 2 hours after I took it to grab a snack but was able to fall back asleep till the morning.
 
Today is day 17 of no opiates! Im still not sleeping overly great, but I do in small spurts. For the most part during the daytime I am fine with small amounts of anxiety that come and go and am tired. I have scripts for things to help me sleep but really do not want to use them. I used the ambien a few nights ago with success but only have a 14 day supply so will only use that on weekends if things get bad. I have been trying OTC meds to help with the sleep but in all honesty dont think they do much good at this point. Think I just need to realize that I have done some damage and it will just take time to repair my mind and body. Hope all is well with everyone, if I can do this anyone can, stay positive and God bless.
 
Today is day 17 of no opiates! Im still not sleeping overly great, but I do in small spurts. For the most part during the daytime I am fine with small amounts of anxiety that come and go and am tired. I have scripts for things to help me sleep but really do not want to use them. I used the ambien a few nights ago with success but only have a 14 day supply so will only use that on weekends if things get bad. I have been trying OTC meds to help with the sleep but in all honesty dont think they do much good at this point. Think I just need to realize that I have done some damage and it will just take time to repair my mind and body. Hope all is well with everyone, if I can do this anyone can, stay positive and God bless.

Glad to hear things are going well - you're doing GREAT! I found sleep to be an issue in early recovery too, kind of a situation of take it when you can get it. Surprisingly, fairly melatonin works well. Just be patient, like you said, it does take time for the body to repair itself. Keep up the good work!
 
Today is day 22. At this point I'm probably at 90% during the day and have good energy levels. Still don't sleep great unaided. Been using gabapentin every third or four night for sleep which seems to work well. Don't want to use it every day because it can become a habit from what I have read. The ambien I didn't care for so won't use again. I also resumed going to aa meetings the 1st week I detoxed which is also a big help. Hope all is well with everyone.
 
Pip we're in the same boat, I'm 14 days into CT from a habit that sounds just about identical to yours. I even started last summer too. The insomnia is also my biggest problem, but I'm hesitant to take this to adoc so I'm using kratom to sleep. I'm very unhappy with myself for this. Right now I'm resisting taking another 5g, only had 10g 2X bali today.

During acute Wd this was the only thing that let me sleep after 5days awake. I feel shivers coming on again right now as I'm taking so little kratom. Am i sabotaging my journey to sobriety with it? I think what you're doing is smart, sleeping every 3 days. Last night was my first 7 hours of sleep so maybe I'm ready for another few days of total sobriety, then take some hatred krat on wednsday to sleep. Like with you, the otc sleep aids do nothing except give me a weird dissociated headache. Hang in there! Other folks say it gets better after a few months ...
 
I have never used kratom for a detox because I was worried it would just prolong things. I did sleep last night with just melatonin. Probably would have slept without it. It was not a great sleep and woke up a few times but was able to get back to rest after a short time. Hang in there it will get better. I will never go back to that evil Devils brew again.
 
Hi pip how are you? Hope things are going well for you, or as well as is possible! From re reading this thread i realized i have done exactly what i set out to do, which was to quit the kratom for a few days. And just as feared i got zero sleep tonight and 4 distributed hours yesterday. I'm on day18 after quitting btw and like you I'll never go back to that evil plant or any of it's chemical cousins.

We really have remarkably similar outlooks on things, like you I'm also very wary of going on any sort of prescription sleep pill though it looks like it will be necessary soon. Just can't function with so little sleep, i look like a ghoul and am becoming forgetful, a first for me in my whole life. I'd love to hear you're doing better, that way there's something to look forward to!
 
I'm on day 26 and for the most part I'm fine during the day, except for being exhausted. Even though I'm tired my energy levels seem to be ok. Last night think I maybe got 3 hours of sleep. The night before I took the gabapentin which got me about 5 hours of sleep. I can't take that again till this weekend, and might just drop it totally. The extra hour or two sleep it gives me probably isn't worth it in the long run. Bedtime has become a miserable experience for me but I have come to the realization that it's just going to take time. I try not to let it bother me as much and just go downstairs and watch TV on the couch till I eventually get a few hours needed rest. Hope all is well and keep up the fight, it slowly gets better.
 
Yeah I'm definitely realizing the 10hrs of sleep are a thing of the past. But you're out of that body pain, right? Well not really pain just this incredibly annoying tightness/twitchiness. Pure insomnia doesn't sound so bad actually if you can still do stuff like read or write.
 
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