Poll: most performance reducing drugs for white collar desk work

[LucidSDreamr]

Which class of drugs to you think is the most performance reducing and unsustainable addiction to be a star player in the white collar desk job sectors (stuff like, tech, law, accounting etc.)

The drug can be used as an in work enhancer or as an after work daily “release” I understand adderall os more of an in work drug and alcohol is an after work drug

Most of these drugs can provide a performance enhancing boost for some time; but as we all know drugs catch up with us and diminish returns begin and you hit a brick wall where you don’t benefit anymore and you just need the drug to “feel normal” and continuing to take it to feel normal al also continues the downward spiral.

I would love to hear more specifics about the various drugs and why they don’t work, what their detriments are etc.

 

[paltatomate]

For me that kind of job is permormance reducing in itself.
Unless something really challenging happens, I need boosters to sit for more than 3 hours at a desk. And 4 hours of that is enough to leave me brain dead for the rest of the day.

 

[foodcrisis]

i'd just think coke has to be redosed too much to actually do at a job like that.

pretty much just depends on the person... i hear of all sorts of people with drug habbits working jobs and on the other end of that a lot of people fail.

opiates might make me slow... i dunno. if it were legal to sip on alcohol, maybe just maintain a buzz and do paper work? probably not a problem. i guess weed depends on the person. my cousin used to smoke weed and i think she was a lawyers assistant... even something like adderall is definitely going to help a lot of people, for me i'd probably just sit there and not really get anything done, cause i kind of space out and get in meditative states with breathing from stimulants. all the little movements of desk work wouldn't be conducive with my high.

 

[thujone]

i'm dialed into a good dose of weed and wine (after work) that doesn't fuck with my sleep or get in the way of other things

drugs at work would suck imho, even company lunches make me feel spaced out all afternoon

peak performance for me comes from good night's sleep, no breakfast, no carbs at lunch

it leaves me alert but not anxious, and chill but not sedated. why fuck with perfection?

 

[LucidSDreamr]

peak performance for me comes from good night's sleep, no breakfast, no carbs at lunch

it leaves me alert but not anxious, and chill but not sedated. why fuck with perfection?

How do you cope with gnawing hunger though?

I could get away with just eating fruit until the mid afternoon probably but not fasting .

 

[thujone]

How do you cope with gnawing hunger though?

I could get away with just eating fruit until the mid afternoon probably but not fasting .

i have a big mug of coffee with chicory, cocoa and almond milk on teh way to work and that is pretty filling

 

[Quasimoto]

Interesting question. I feel like this is HEAVILY dose dependent and TOLERANCE dependent.

I would say that with moderate doses, opioids are probably going to bring my overall performance down the most.

A moderate dose of benzos would almost certainly increase my performance, but would reduce my short term memory.

Alcohol is going to decrease my performance on most tasks in general, but I used to go to white collar IT jobs all the time drunk off my ass and did well enough to get promoted, so idk.

I generally have a very high tolerance to GABAergic drugs, though.

Weed has no effect on my performance unless I take too much. It just tends to make me lazy, less ambitious, more complacent...

Adderall, meth, and cocaine increase my performance. I don't get addicted to those drugs, so that's not a problem.

... but in general, the drugs that make me feel the sleepiest and slowest are the ones that are going to impact me working the most... and that is by far opioids for me

 

[LucidSDreamr]

i have a big mug of coffee with chicory, cocoa and almond milk on teh way to work and that is pretty filling

Hmm. I don’t consume caffeine.

Maybe protein shakes or just straight protein snacks like nuts combined with the fruits would work?

 

[thujone]

A moderate dose of benzos would almost certainly increase my performance, but would reduce my short term memory.

YES... I find benzos so dehumanizing because of this

Hmm. I don’t consume caffeine.

Maybe protein shakes or just straight protein snacks like nuts combined with the fruits would work?

I suppose it depends on the individual and circumstances. TBH I am much hungrier if I wake up just an hour or two earlier and usually wake up kind of late so I guess that hunger just doesn't really kick in until much later

 

[LucidSDreamr]

A moderate dose of benzos would almost certainly increase my performance, but would reduce my short term memory.

god bless outlook calendars and reminders right?

 

[thujone]

god bless outlook calendars and reminders right?

i have things in the clipboard i can't even remember

 

[Quasimoto]

YES... I find benzos so dehumanizing because of this

lol benzos also increase my personality and make me more charismatic and smooth talking, so every time I have some apparent memory lapse I'm always able to talk my way out of it easily

kind of a funny situation

but they also have a serious effect of making me very productive, I usually always end up organizing and cleaning things, writing stuff and figuring communications, even while I'm not at work... they make me a very efficient worker... and 8 hours passes by like nothing

 

[LucidSDreamr]

lol benzos also increase my personality and make me more charismatic and smooth talking, so every time I have some apparent memory lapse I'm always able to talk my way out of it easily

kind of a funny situation

but they also have a serious effect of making me very productive, I usually always end up organizing and cleaning things, writing stuff and figuring communications, even while I'm not at work... they make me a very efficient worker... and 8 hours passes by like nothing

What’s the end game like when you’re dependent on them and can’t sleep or work without them?

….if this even happens.

My only frame of reference is opioids so these things are what I’ve experienced with opioids; hitting the brick wall, not caring anymore, the drug not working anymore etc

 

[thujone]

My only frame of reference is opioids so these things are what I’ve experienced with opioids; hitting the brick wall, not caring anymore, the drug not working anymore etc

that's why i stay mostly clean now, been through this cycle too many times and deadly scared of opiates because of how strong the pull is. with opiates it feels like i can't just hit a wall and shake it off, i'm caught in a powerful riptide smashing me to a pulp against the rocks

 

[Quasimoto]

What’s the end game like when you’re dependent on them and can’t sleep or work without them?

….if this even happens.

My only frame of reference is opioids so these things are what I’ve experienced with opioids; hitting the brick wall, not caring anymore, the drug not working anymore etc

Friend, I've been dependent on both heroin and benzos and I can tell you that both dependencies are their own hells. I personally think benzo withdrawal is worse, but I have natural anxiety issues. Benzo withdrawal can kill you, GABA receptors are more vital to your overall bodily function. But opioid withdrawals hit a faster and more furious. Both withdrawals will make you feel sick, but in their own way. Benzo withdrawal makes you hallucinate, experience sheer terror, and you won't be able to sit still for days. Heroin withdrawal is incredibly painful, and you become profoundly ill, but the psychological anxiety/other effects are not as bad as a severe benzo withdrawal.

Both are fucking hell man. I can't say one is worse than the other.... that's like asking if I'd like my left leg or right leg chopped off.

 

[thujone]

withdrawal hell is a cakewalk because you know you'll feel better on the other side of it

 

[LucidSDreamr]

Friend, I've been dependent on both heroin and benzos and I can tell you that both dependencies are their own hells. I personally think benzo withdrawal is worse, but I have natural anxiety issues. Benzo withdrawal can kill you, GABA receptors are more vital to your overall bodily function. But opioid withdrawals hit a faster and more furious. Both withdrawals will make you feel sick, but in their own way. Benzo withdrawal makes you hallucinate, experience sheer terror, and you won't be able to sit still for days. Heroin withdrawal is incredibly painful, and you become profoundly ill, but the psychological anxiety/other effects are not as bad as a severe benzo withdrawal.

Both are fucking hell man. I can't say one is worse than the other.... that's like asking if I'd like my left leg or right leg chopped off.

I appreciate the description of withdrawl but can you elaborate on the late stage dependency management with benzos and as it relates to work?

With opioids it just becomes unmanageable even if you have an endless cheap supply

 

[Felonious Monk]

I've never taken it but I've heard some people like modafinil for work. I think cannabis can help you get into the zone for certain types of work. Benzos are terrible for work lol

 

[Tryptamino]

I've never taken it but I've heard some people like modafinil for work. I think cannabis can help you get into the zone for certain types of work. Benzos are terrible for work lol

Modafinil is weird cause it really is just a pure stimulant to me. No focus-enhancing properties, in my personak experience, at least not like amphetamines. It’s more like a cleaner-feeling, loooong lasting version of like, caffeine.

 

[SeekingOblivion]

Excessive use of anything will not end well. However, chronic/moderate weed and benzo users (guilty of being the latter myself, so no hate) are not going to be the sharpest/fastest guy/gal in the room.