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Political views of Professors expressed in class

deeph

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Just want to get some of your thoughts on the above topic. Previously I completed my undergraduate studies in the Engineering department, but during my postgraduate studies I have taken numerous subjects in other schools such as the Language/International/Social departments.

Now what I found the most discerning and worrying is that Professors of these departments clearly portray their political views in class, often subtly - but clearly. Aren't our classes supposed to be a political, racial, sexual and bias-free zone. Actually, I has come to a point where I believe students are worried in completing assignments which are clearly against the views Professors for fear of retaliation in marking.

University will never be a politics free-zone, and I don't want it to be, but please keep it out of the classroom. If Professors have views then they have the right to express them, but please stop blackmailing young students with propaganda and skewing course work to fit one agenda!
 
It's funny how universities always talk about multiculturalism, an open and equal exchange of all ideas, and place with multiple viewpoints on everything, and people of open minds, but it is exactly the opposite when it comes down to the opinions of the faculty. In nearly all colleges it is almost unanimously liberal besides a few departments like economics.

Alot of people expressed the same sentiments, including myself. As a big conservative I intend to butt heads with any professor who espouses liberalism. I understand you got to get a good grade, but there are surely ways to butt heads with opinion and still keep in good grace. If you present a good argument the other side is almost obligated to take note.

If you stuck with someone too stubborn, you can always drop.

Many people have voiced regret over getting stuck with a liberal proffessor and just keeping quiet, copying everything they say, and giving them what they want. Frankly I'd feel the same way.
 
There's no such thing as a person without bias, and the same goes for your professors. As long as the grading can be shown to be fair either way, it shouldn't be *wrong* for your prof to have an opinion of their own. However, a good teacher is going to try to pull out opinions from both sides from students in the class vs. just telling students their own sides of the issues.
 
There are certain areas of study (such as sociology or anthropology) which cannot be insulated from politics. The best we can do is explore a variety of perspectives.

ebola
 
I have had to write from a perspective I disagree with more than once before to satisfy a teacher, and I don't regret it. I value my GPA too highly to let an asshat of a teacher ruin it because they disagree with my views. It sucks, but you gotta do what you gotta do.
 
Ive had professors who definitely push their 'views' but on the other hand I have had quite a few history/poli sci professors who have held back their opinions quite well.

My most recent history prof. always knew when he was about to cross the line and he would stop.
 
Do you have a source for this or is it just your opinion?

The Earth day is about 24 hours long, you want me to source that statement too? It's just something that most people take for common knowledge - however, there have been exhaustive studies into the subject and here are some links.

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ed...2/02/a_left_wing_monopoly_on_campuses?mode=PF

http://taemag.com/docLib/20030716_018KZandGraphs.pdf

http://www.academia.org/campus_reports/2002/october_2002_5.html

It would be one thing if you questioned some of the facts I stated that are a little less known, but a search on Yahoo provided immediate results the first go at it. Please ParadoxCycle, use the search engine before asking such questions lest we cover issues that have already been done.

Like who?

Like the original poster. And myself.

There's no such thing as a person without bias, and the same goes for your professors. As long as the grading can be shown to be fair either way, it shouldn't be *wrong* for your prof to have an opinion of their own. However, a good teacher is going to try to pull out opinions from both sides from students in the class vs. just telling students their own sides of the issues.

The idea that a teacher should pull opinions from both sides is ridiculous. No one says The Washington Post is biased because it doesn't represent racist people, do we (or in other words, crazy people). The teacher should just stick to the facts, plain and simple. There is nothing wrong with voicing their opinion, but keep the class on track. They are there to teach the subject, not to stand on a podium and share their worldview.
 
TheodoreRoosevelt said:
The Earth day is about 24 hours long, you want me to source that statement too? It's just something that most people take for common knowledge - however, there have been exhaustive studies into the subject and here are some links.


No I don't think it's common knowledge, I think you're just continuing to push your skewed agenda as usual. Just like Fox News is liberal, right?

Edit: I edited out stuff that is not on topic. dg19
 
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I'm a politcal science major and I agree with the original poster... political bias is out there, specially in the poli-sci field. it has gotten so bad I am contemplating changing my major.

I have to run out the door now, but I will edit my post when I get back from dinner with a more solid discussion.
 
The teacher should just stick to the facts, plain and simple. There is nothing wrong with voicing their opinion, but keep the class on track. They are there to teach the subject, not to stand on a podium and share their worldview.
If you're only there to learn the facts then you can get an encyclopedia and memorize it. A college course should go beyond the facts to synthesis of the information. How else do you think research gets conducted, or new literature is written? The facts exist in the first place because someone came up with a topic of discussion or of interest, and even those were influenced by the political climate of the time.

There are many teachable issues with no 'right' answer, but answers that may vary with a person's moral stand. Those still fall under what should be discussed and taught in college, but I would propose that only my view be taught in class. In those cases I would present what a variety of people might have found regarding the matter.
 
i'm a psych major with an anthropology minor, and psychology at my school has a similar problem in that it is taught almost universally from a biological/scientific perspective (anthropology is great, though, bc anthropologists are essentially open to as many ideas/explanations as possible.) i don't even think the psychlogy professors realize that they are representing the material so narrowly...i pointed out in class that there was nothing 'scientific' about the dsm iii and that now the dsm is used as a basis for scientific research, which is a strange paradox, and my professor just laughed as if i was kidding and said 'well, we're clearly going down the right track.' freud, psychosocial theory, even personality theory to some extent get presented as relics and then thrown out the window. it's making me want to switch majors because i can't understand psychopathology (which is what i focus on) from a strictly biological viewpoint...it doesn't feel right, and there is so much to refute biopsychiatric theories (the serotonin hypothesis, the dopamine hypothesis, genetic basis for mental illness, etc etc.)
 
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Skins versus Shirts.
 
No I don't think it's common knowledge, I think you're just continuing to push your skewed agenda as usual. Just like Fox News is liberal, right? .

Of course, my skewed agenda. It would be obvious to everyone if it weren't for those damn facts and sources I always seem to have handy.

If you're only there to learn the facts then you can get an encyclopedia and memorize it. A college course should go beyond the facts to synthesis of the information. How else do you think research gets conducted, or new literature is written? The facts exist in the first place because someone came up with a topic of discussion or of interest, and even those were influenced by the political climate of the time.

The problem is when professors use their position as a soapbox, and the contradiction is the profession of open-mindedness and "open exchange of ideas" when the ideas are all so similiar. There is a problem when a history teacher starts ranting about how terrible Bush is, however true it may be. It would be like bringing religion to the science classroom.

The problem is to bite your tongue and get through it all like KittyintheDark stated, or stand up and butt heads. I personally choose to butt heads, but perhaps I've been so lucky as to get along with all those who I disagree with. Those I've disagreed with and argued strongly against have so far always admired me as an adversary and congradulate me for being the only person to ever challenge them.

Sometimes I can tell they are getting annoyed though.

Edit: I edited out stuff that does not pertain to the topic. dg19
 
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Aren't our classes supposed to be a political, racial, sexual and bias-free zone.

i think it's somewhat naive to expect an adult learning environment to be entirely free from personal opinion. active racism or sexism is one thing, but there's nothing wrong with buttering your bread on one side of the political spectrum, is there?

like fizzygirl said, the key is in the actual processes of academic work. if a professor marks good work negatively because of their political orientation then they are going against the spirit of education itself. and honestly i think such people would be an absolute minority in any university.

Actually, I has come to a point where I believe students are worried in completing assignments which are clearly against the views Professors for fear of retaliation in marking.

if you are a capable student and produce good work it will be marked accordingly. if it is not you have a very real case for a discrimination claim yourself, and i would strongly encourage you to pursue it - all institutions have some facility for regrading.

i think people are missing the point a bit. further education is about understanding how different viewpoints can coincide under the umbrella of a discipline; it's about developing the ability and skills to think critically, to assess arguments, and to put forth your own case in a convincing manner. if you can do those things you will achieve - or at least that's the case in any halfway decent university i know of.

it is not about expecting a neutral and entirely objective regurgitation of previously-agreed state-mandated 'facts'. such a methodology does not adequately represent the reality of academic work, and therefore would be a poor basis for training the authors, lecturers and experts of the future. nothing exists in cotton-wool isolation - for which, imho, we really should be quite grateful.

It's funny how universities always talk about multiculturalism, an open and equal exchange of all ideas, and place with multiple viewpoints on everything, and people of open minds, but it is exactly the opposite when it comes down to the opinions of the faculty. In nearly all colleges it is almost unanimously liberal besides a few departments like economics.

having a faculty body with a vaguely similar political outlook - and btw, a survey on who is a registered 'democrat' or 'republican' hardly captures the subtle nuances and diversities of an entire teaching staff's political standpoint -is not evidence of an inequality in the exchange of ideas. it's just that conservatives aren't interested in academia ;) as ebola? touched upon, there are areas where we cannot insulate academic discourse from the vagaries of political opinion. and similarly i think there are areas which attract people of a certain persuasion more readily than people of other persuasions. we see this in politics itself, as you are well aware.

basing a study on public party registrations is somewhat misguided, imho. after all, most registered republicans have a lower level of education than registered democrats (anyone remember what that thread in CE&P was called?). perhaps if we were to put any stock in assessing party registrations in a two-party system we could argue that liberals are over-represented in universities because conservatives are less likely to be highly educated, or less likely to pursue a career in academia. or perhaps that when people are better educated they are more receptive to liberal ideas.

but then i wouldn't make any such argument.

to speak of 'unanimously liberal' colleges is disingenuous. liberal on what topics, by whose standards, with regard to which influences? liberalism itself - not the Fox News battle cry, but the actual political institution - is a varied and complicated beast.

the one area i can claim to speak for with any real degree of authority is the study of history. and imho it's quite logical that many historians seem to shun strictly conservative viewpoints. the study of history is often the study of our progress as a functional society; and our progress has been marked by a steady liberalisation. we are becoming more tolerant, more inclusive, less elitist, less militant (overall), more respectful of individual rights, more aware of the connections between local actions and global consequences, less tolerant of injustices... and generally speaking, the forces of Conservatism have often failed to be aligned with those issues.

I understand you got to get a good grade, but there are surely ways to butt heads with opinion and still keep in good grace. If you present a good argument the other side is almost obligated to take note.

agreed.

There is a problem when a history teacher starts ranting about how terrible Bush is, however true it may be.

do many history teachers actually do that?

it sounds like highly unprofessional behaviour that would be expected of a third-rate teacher at a shitty institution.
 
Please check your past drama at the door of the thread and stay on topic :)
 
do many history teachers actually do that?

I hope not.

our progress has been marked by a steady liberalisation. we are becoming more tolerant, more inclusive, less elitist, less militant (overall), more respectful of individual rights, more aware of the connections between local actions and global consequences, less tolerant of injustices... and generally speaking, the forces of Conservatism have often failed to be aligned with those issues

In my opinion, this is just a biased way to take the situation. You could make a similiar argument going the other way. And by the way, liberalism used to be more defined by social conservatism until the Southern Strategy. Just because people are becoming more socially liberal does not mean that suddenly people are rejected Conservatism (read: not social conservatism).

It was also conservatism that led the civil rights movements and individual rights movements of the past, but don't let that stop what your saying. My point is not to get off topic here, but merely that I disagree in your analysis of liberalism in colleges.
 
rashandreflex:
That's actually a very good point, and one that's covered in at least one of the major introductory psychology textbooks as something to consider. I'd think at the very least your teacher could have held it out to the class as a different way of thinking about things.

There's a lot of new social-cognitive and personality stuff, but very little of it is Freudian anymore (probably with good reason). This stuff should also come up within a basic psych course. Also, though, biological explanations for things shouldn't necessarily be confused with the diagnostic aspects for those same things. You can identify that a certain group which has been labeled a certain way shares characteristics, but causation goes a bit beyond that. The DSM doesn't actually list specific biological requirements, but instead gives symptoms to look for, the same way a doctor would look for symptoms of a cold.

But, to bring in MY bias, since that's what this thread is about, I could always just recommend that you overlook all that clinical mush ;) anyway and come over to the social/cognitive side of things! With your anthro minor you might also look into evolutionary psych as an interest.
 
In my opinion, this is just a biased way to take the situation. You could make a similiar argument going the other way. And by the way, liberalism used to be more defined by social conservatism until the Southern Strategy. Just because people are becoming more socially liberal does not mean that suddenly people are rejected Conservatism (read: not social conservatism).

It was also conservatism that led the civil rights movements and individual rights movements of the past, but don't let that stop what your saying. My point is not to get off topic here, but merely that I disagree in your analysis of liberalism in colleges.

and whatever you do - don't let yourself acknowledge the existence of countries OUTSIDE AMERICA.

i mean wow - you may have noticed that the study of history goes back a touch further than the 17th century... :)

i capitalised Conservatism to distinguish it from our regular usage in places like the (americo-centric) CE&P forum. like it or not there is a world out there. and in that world, the forces of Conservatism have generally stood against some of the markers of civil progress - by which i mean issues like the conception of childhood, the end of serfdom, transportation, votes for men, votes for women, lowering the age of consent, social provision of healthcare, the welfare state, etc. etc. etc.
 
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