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Misc Pill crushing, the good, the bad, and the lies

Ok, so as stated in my Introduction of me, ive been researching the effects of drugs, how they act and how they perform, and the speed at which drugs do they're thing,

however. so sides say some drugs cant be crushed because of certain properties to them, like extended release caps and stuff. but most of these sites arnt too the point, i mean, i picked up my bottle of of Tylenol 2's, and they dont say, hey im a certain tie release. and naturally i cant find a site that says if they are crushed, will they work faster, or not work at all, or if they can even cause Overdose. and the same is with Benadryl.

so my question is. can Benadryl and Tylenol 2's Be crushed?

if so, how will this effect the pill? : Will it decrease it abilities to perform, will it act faster, can it cause an Overdose even at lesser levels ingested.

for years i had issues with pain, and it naturally is starting to effect my sleep habits. now sure granted i could go see a doctor, but honestly i hate prescriptions and doctor visits and such, so thats why i ask these questions, and been researching to see if i can find someone that is willing to give me an answer. so i would like us to be able to sit down, and you guys and gals to answer these questions, and than from there ill know my options.


I was once under the assumption that crushing and snorting pills always made them work faster as well and tried it on a Benadryl. Let me just say that that was by far one of the worst experiences of my entire life. It burns inside your nose SOOOOOOOOOOOO bad it'll have you holding your nose while you're lying down on your bed with tears streaming out of your eyes. I definitely do not recommend that. And the worse part is, you'll feel like you want to do it again the next day.
 
^^^ It is cool stuff, but I have to disagree with a couple of things.

Opioids on there own is still the most effective single agent, that is why they are prescribed besides the risk. I also know many pain patients personally(also my own pain issues, though I was addicted before that, which makes me biased, not to mention hyperalgesia). But NSAIDS and gabapentin didn't do a damn thing once the pain was severe.
(Note that many of these people ended up becoming "addicted" in the psychological sense and abusing they're medication, but not all).
And for analgesia, opioids eventually reach a kind of ceiling, in regards to tolerance, so that, assuming the pain doesn't increase, the patient eventually reaches a dose that works indefinitely. This is part of the rationale with both methadone and the rare heroin assisted clinics; tolerance to opioids only develops rapidly if the opioids are abused. With proper use they remain effective as analgesics for an extended period.

Caffeine is also only suitable for certain types of pain, and even then it is only suitable for acute use(though in fairness, the doses used as a co-analgesic are fairly low).

I do agree 100% with co-analgesics, but calling opioids "not effective" would imply every other analgesic useless, especially seeing as opioids ate the only analgesic with no know ceiling effect(for they're analgesia).

You're absolutely right about methadone, it is well known as an amazing analgesic, but tram and similar drugs have a ceiling effect and unique side effects limiting use.(don't much about tapentadol)l, but it's mechanism of action is similar)

As for morphine, there is a reason it is the gold standard: it has stronger PNS effects than comparable opioids, and a multitude of other advantages. It's side effects can be pretty rough, though, and with it's slow onset one can only wonder why diamorphine is not utilized in the states, especially since both cocaine and meth are Schedule II!

Oxycodone IV should also be utilized in the states, for reasons I've brought up before. One more thing, studies have shown that multiple opioids(including IV morphine/oxycodone together) are more effective than a single agent, despite the WHO's recommendation of using a single opioid.
(The oxy/morphine combo was not only more effective than an equivelant dose of either, but also carried less side effects, particularly in comparison to morphine alone)

I was at the pharmacy a while back getting my oxy script filled and the pharmacist was like "you know, you should talk to your doctor about maybe trying a switch to gabapentin or something" and even though he probably meant well I was not happy. I was like why don't you do less talking and just fill my damn prescription that MY DOCTOR gave me. 8)

As for tapentadol...I'm not really sure how to say it so I'll just say it is absolute shite. It is kinda similar but stronger than tram and the manufactuerer even lists the mechanism of action as "unknown". Basically their best guess is u-receptor agonism and NRI inhibition. For crying out loud if I'm in pain and not depressed and no ADHD or narcolepsy why the frack would I want to mess with my brain's norepinephrine and epinephrine? This is also why I was so pissed at my doctor for giving me trams and then later tapentadol along with oxy without telling me exactly what they were years ago. I told him I'm not taking trams or nucynta anymore (I literally have hundreds of tram and some tapentadol pills aging like fine cheese right now).

People talk about how tram and tapentadol wd is so horrible compared to pure opioids. Well no shit. Not only is your brain deprived of opioids and no longer producing it's own endogenous morphine, it also has to deal with the lack of NRI inhibition that it has become accustomed to.

My doctor was telling me they add caffeine to codeine in order to try and neutralize its sedating effects. I asked him why this is not the case with other opioids then? I basically got "derpa derpa derp" as an answer.

Interestingly enough, I read on NCBI that coffee contains opiate receptor antagonist properties.
 
I was actually thinking about asking that. Why do they add caffeine to drug sets, like T2-T4. Caffeine is a semi addictive drug which is designed to keep people awake for a set period of time. So why? If not like your allowed to drive or even per take in any major actions while under the influence of a drug such as codeine.

Here is another question. One cup of coffee, how much caffeine would you say is in it?
 
Caffeine is added to help boost the analgesia of certain pain killers like aspirin or acetaminophen. While certainly not conclusive, it seems to help things like headache pain more than say back pain. Coffee usually has around 50-100mg of caffeine.
 
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