Benzos Phenibut

[2hung]

Hi All,

I started taking phenibut after reading a review on a bodybuilding forum about it, did a wiki on it and found it be safe enough. was skeptical at first but when I tried it found out it was the real deal. started using it alot, everyday, going out drinking for about 2 weeks and started upping his dose quite alot, to a point where I did 10g in a session. After a while of this(2 weeks) I started feeling shit, restless legs, no concentration in class and generally a lack of great feeling I had been feeling before. realised it was time to cut back. i started feeling like crap after one day and decided to investigate further into the drug (too late i know). Anyway I had drastically cut back the dose to 2 2g servings per day. One midday to stave off withdrawals and one around 9-10pm so I can sleep. One night I hadnt taken the phenibut in approx 24 hours and had felt fine the whole day without and thought everything was ok. This was until I went to bed, started watching some silly shit on laptop. A girl I was texting who I like didnt text me back that evening and I was getting very paranoid about it. After maybe 10 minutes of watching things I tried to go to sleep. About 15 minutes of lying awake the SHTF. Intense depression, almost to the point of a panic attack where I had to get out of bed to walk around. This happened 3 times during the course of the next 1 hour and I caved and redosed 2grams to sleep as i am paying for very expensive and important school. I fell back into the groove of taking around 4g a day and is still on this dose. I have sourced some xanax and dexedrine (for concenctrating and staying awake in class due to phenibut really messing this up for SWIM). Today I took adderall in the morning and dex during class and one after class and got good concentration and motivation out of it. No withdrawals wer experienced but started to get resltess legs and feeling like poo. So I took a 2g dose as i have heard that tapering is the most effective way of coming off this. So far I have been taking the phenibut for almost three weeks, with one week of heavy-heavy use and two weeks of 4g per day. the problem I am having is that this dose isn't doing anything now, it just staves off withdrawals but does nothing anymore for Social anxiety.

I have come up with this taper plan

3days @2000mg mid evening
3days @1500mg mid evening
3days @1000mg mid evening
3days @500mg mid evening.

i read that while the dose gets lower insominia is prevalent. This is why I have sourced the xanax to help with this. Any maybe for social anxiety/paranoia associate with withdrawals. I not concerned about xanax addiction as I dont even like xanax, its not a drug i would use at all, infact i was given a bottle for free and never used them. It doesnt suit my personality this is strictly being used for sleep and to ween off the phenibut.

Does anyone have any information?

Another thing I would like to know is once off the drug how long before the drug can be used again and kept to the 2 day a week rule without TSHTF? The main problem was a lack of knowledge (ignorance) about the substance or of any side effects withdrawal symptons (surprised wikipedia has no information on this).I am an avid bodybuilder and have found a lack of motivation with the substance.

I find this substance to phenomenal, for nearly everything, sex, sleep, mood, social anxiety, study. Its the wonder drug. but with great power comes great responsibilty.


A few last minor things i would like to ask, apologies for long post but, I have exams coming up in 2 weeks, they are so detrimental to my career that i fail even one i may not get a job in the future. Do people think i should risk quitting now, going out of my head with withdrawals, 6-7 days of no sleep or just continue on a measured dose of around 2g or so until exams are finished? this is quite important to me and the question i need answering the most.

Peace out and thanks for listening

2hung

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[brutus]

I wouldn't start tapering until finals are out of the way. I am in the same boat as you man, except I am taking 6g a day and I'm looking for a taper schedule too. It's hard to find reliable information, but your taper schedule sounds fine to me. PM me if you find any more reliable information. I wish I could me more help, but I'm not going to give you some BS answer.

 

[2hung]

I wouldn't start tapering until finals are out of the way. I am in the same boat as you man, except I am taking 6g a day and I'm looking for a taper schedule too. It's hard to find reliable information, but your taper schedule sounds fine to me. PM me if you find any more reliable information. I wish I could me more help, but I'm not going to give you some BS answer.

Thanks mate, Ye i'm actually lucky i caught in time to be honest. I was going balls to the walls on the stuff, like 10g at a time and then redosing not having a clue about the stuff. Crazy stuff, my body basically fought back so i did some reading and was shocked at what i had found. Just going to stay positive for the time being and stay at maybe 2g a day until they are over. Do u think i should save the xanax for when i am done and then start taper? Taper seems to be the most sane way of coming off the stuff, cold turkey sounds like an absolute living nightmare, no sleep along with panic attacks and on top of that the side effects that come along with no sleep on top. Brutal stuff. I do enjoy the stuff tho, not at any sort of dose at the moment where it is actually doing much for me, maybe a bit of an axyiolotic but nothing in regards to recreational side effects. How long have you been on it?

 

[brutus]

I would save the Xanax until you begin to taper.

I've been on it for a good 6 months or so. Just like you, I feel no kind of recreational effects. I may go down to 5g tomorrow.

Phenibut is great when used responsible, but using it responsible is damn near impossible for me. I think we are going to see an increase in these types of threads and there's just not that much information regarding withdrawal from phenibut out there. I'm assuming it could be potentially deadly, if not more so, than benzo WD if stopped abruptly.

 

[2hung]

I cant get over at how people are using this stuff for over a year and at doses upwards of 10g a day, thats an expensive habit. And a brutal one if you find yourself without money for a week. Im the same as you, ill find any excuse to use it. Are you using a single 6g dose or you spreading that across the day? What i did was i went down to 4g, noticed that it was still affecting me quite well, then dropped to 2g and noticed it wouldnt do much but stave off any shit feelings so im at that dose now for a while. Keeping it to a single dose in the evening so i can get some sleep. Will keep the xanax for a later date then as proposed. I can get my hands on some ambien which might help the sleepless nights. unfortunately as you do decrease the dose insomnia is prevalent. Do you feel any withdrawals during the day or how does it work with you? I have read a post about a guy who was loving it he came off heroin crack and numerous other drugs and his life was a shambles and started using phenibut and it basically made him whole again, he was raving about it, then decided he wanted to take a drug holiday but didn't. he posted 2months later that the drug had no effects on him whatsoever, so he tried a 10g dose to fight withdrawals and it brutalised him. Made him worse to the point he was scared for his life. He mentioned taking alot of shit to come off but i think he managed it in the end. Its strange withdrawals seem to be the same length for everybodies use be it 2 weeks or 2 months. Maybe the dosing is the problem with the severity of withdrawals but either way, they are real, there is no doubt about that. I think what i am afraid of most is the depression from it, as i mentioned about i was near having a panic attack and had to get out of bed and put on some meditation app on my iphone which drifted me off for a bit.

 

[Tussmann]

I cant get over at how people are using this stuff for over a year and at doses upwards of 10g a day

These constitute literally the dumbest people on any drug-related board, whether it be practicality or financially.

 

[2hung]

These constitute literally the dumbest people on any drug-related board, whether it be practicality or financially.

would have to agree

 

[brutus]

Are you using a single 6g dose or you spreading that across the day?

I just use it now because I realize that I am physically dependent on it. I just dose 6g in the morning once a day and notice no withdrawals during the day.

 

[vicapro]

These constitute literally the dumbest people on any drug-related board, whether it be practicality or financially.

Both you and the guy that agreed with you are incredibly ignorant and my jaw practically dropped when I heard you say that. Is that your w way of justifying that whatever you do is #2 on the idiotic people that do drugs list. God that was such an incredibly stupid thing to say that I'm honestly shocked. No offense but if you truly believe that someone taking 10gs a day of L EGAL phenibut is dumber than the junky wasting 100$ a day putting dope in his arm or the crackhead prostituting for that 10min high, both of which are completely dysfunctional in their everyday lives 99% of the time; then you are an dumbass plain and simple. Not to mention that comment was 0 help to the OPs question and completely pointless unless you're trying to make yourself feel better about whatever it is you do.

ok sorry for the rant i just had to say something. To the OP: if its only been three weeks of using i'm pretty sure a big part of what your feeling when ceasing usage is dopamine rebound and l chemical imbalance in your brain from those massive doses that I have never even come 1/2 as close to and ive been using phrnibut for close to a year. 10gs is an absolute insane amount of phenibut for someone that isn't even a month in dosing round the clock. The most I ever took was 3gs at once and it made me have an nonstop stomach ache and the worst nausea of my life for 2 days and the whole time I've been on it I've taken no more than 3000mg a day and never all at once. I usually take 1000mg 3x a day. It really is a very therapeutic supplement but it bites you in the ass worse than any other drug once you body gets physically addicted to it. It lasted easily 12-24 hrs in the beginning and made me very productive. now I I'm lucky to get 6 hrs of anxiety relief and I have almost no motivation which I think is from one or all of its non gaba-b binding sites which is causing much lower dopamine levels than compared to before I started using phenibut. This paired with the fact that I'm 2 years clean of oxy and now I'm physically addicted to a chem I honestly wouldn't even think to take if it weren't for the slow build up of wds because i have 0 mental craving for this chem. 1/2 the time I only remember to take it once my sense of touch starts being annoyingly hypersensitive to the point of thinking that pieces of dust are little bugs biting me.

to the OP, I would honestly at least try to give it a good 3 or 4 days off using xanax for sleep each night and during the day only if things get unbearable. I don't know when your finals are but time is of the essence with the short amount of time you have been taking phenibut. Imho what your experiencing isnt even close to full on phenibut wds but rather 75% hangover/rebound effect such as what gbl would give you for a couple days after binging on it for a week. If you can find gabapentin or lyrica it would be a much better choice than xanax as it's much less addictive and it's going to last 3-4x longer. If you can't get those my next choice would be diazepam or clonazepam. Shit id order some phenazepam or etizolam instead of xanax ONLY if your 100% sure you can dose it responsibly. xanax is just about the worst detox benzo as it's short duration makes getting sleep that feels even a little bit restful very difficult. Sleep and nutrition can knock days off of the period of wd from any substance.

 

[brutus]

With that being said, let's keep this thread on topic.

 

[2hung]

Both you and the guy that agreed with you are incredibly ignorant and my jaw practically dropped when I heard you say that. Is that your w way of justifying that whatever you do is #2 on the idiotic people that do drugs list. God that was such an incredibly stupid thing to say that I'm honestly shocked. No offense but if you truly believe that someone taking 10gs a day of L EGAL phenibut is dumber than the junky wasting 100$ a day putting dope in his arm or the crackhead prostituting for that 10min high, both of which are completely dysfunctional in their everyday lives 99% of the time; then you are an dumbass plain and simple. Not to mention that comment was 0 help to the OPs question and completely pointless unless you're trying to make yourself feel better about whatever it is you do.

ok sorry for the rant i just had to say something. To the OP: if its only been three weeks of using i'm pretty sure a big part of what your feeling when ceasing usage is dopamine rebound and l chemical imbalance in your brain from those massive doses that I have never even come 1/2 as close to and ive been using phrnibut for close to a year. 10gs is an absolute insane amount of phenibut for someone that isn't even a month in dosing round the clock. The most I ever took was 3gs at once and it made me have an nonstop stomach ache and the worst nausea of my life for 2 days and the whole time I've been on it I've taken no more than 3000mg a day and never all at once. I usually take 1000mg 3x a day. It really is a very therapeutic supplement but it bites you in the ass worse than any other drug once you body gets physically addicted to it. It lasted easily 12-24 hrs in the beginning and made me very productive. now I I'm lucky to get 6 hrs of anxiety relief and I have almost no motivation which I think is from one or all of its non gaba-b binding sites which is causing much lower dopamine levels than compared to before I started using phenibut. This paired with the fact that I'm 2 years clean of oxy and now I'm physically addicted to a chem I honestly wouldn't even think to take if it weren't for the slow build up of wds because i have 0 mental craving for this chem. 1/2 the time I only remember to take it once my sense of touch starts being annoyingly hypersensitive to the point of thinking that pieces of dust are little bugs biting me.

to the OP, I would honestly at least try to give it a good 3 or 4 days off using xanax for sleep each night and during the day only if things get unbearable. I don't know when your finals are but time is of the essence with the short amount of time you have been taking phenibut. Imho what your experiencing isnt even close to full on phenibut wds but rather 75% hangover/rebound effect such as what gbl would give you for a couple days after binging on it for a week. If you can find gabapentin or lyrica it would be a much better choice than xanax as it's much less addictive and it's going to last 3-4x longer. If you can't get those my next choice would be diazepam or clonazepam. Shit id order some phenazepam or etizolam instead of xanax ONLY if your 100% sure you can dose it responsibly. xanax is just about the worst detox benzo as it's short duration makes getting sleep that feels even a little bit restful very difficult. Sleep and nutrition can knock days off of the period of wd from any substance.

Thanks for the input, i do agree with your first paragraph and in no way did the poster ever say that it was anything like crack or heroin but i do agree to some degree. Let me start by saying my diet is impeccable. I'm a bodybuilder and my diet consists of literally water, chicken, tilapia, brown rice, broccoli, sweet potatos and hot sauce. Thats it. The sleep i HAVE had so far has been quite good, in fact, since starting the xanax ive had some pretty amazing sleep. I wont be able to source gabapentin maybe some lyrica with some proper research but i doubt it. So far, I have been using my 2g a day at the same time at 7-8pm each night. Which has worked so far. Finals are first week in june so not far away so to go through withdrawals now could put my career in the shitter. 10 days of pheni use each night along with some vyvanse/adderall during the day to keep me sane and awake and able to study might be the way through 10 days and once the exams are done i can prepare myself for the worst. How bad do u think using amps to get some study done could be to the whole mix? Why is xanax so bad for helping me through this? I know for a fact that i wont get addicted to xanax as i literally hate who i am when i am on it. It makes me dull, heavy and non social. i am the most social guy, upbeat and charming guy to say the very least. Do u think ambien would help through the insomnia? My main question is, how long after quitting can i start taking the recommended dose of two days a week responsibly? and could even one dose send me straight back into withdrawals? the reason i am asking this is because i absolutely love this stuff, i think its quite incredible and all i can say is that its an absolute miracle this drug isnt popular on the market or we'd have a big situation on our hands.

Thanks anyway for listening.

 

[Tussmann]

Both you and the guy that agreed with you are incredibly ignorant and my jaw practically dropped when I heard you say that. Is that your w way of justifying that whatever you do is #2 on the idiotic people that do drugs list. God that was such an incredibly stupid thing to say that I'm honestly shocked. No offense but if you truly believe that someone taking 10gs a day of L EGAL phenibut is dumber than the junky wasting 100$ a day putting dope in his arm or the crackhead prostituting for that 10min high, both of which are completely dysfunctional in their everyday lives 99% of the time; then you are an dumbass plain and simple. Not to mention that comment was 0 help to the OPs question and completely pointless unless you're trying to make yourself feel better about whatever it is you do.

Not that I do hardcore drugs, but at least they have years of research and readily known precautions. Taking Phenibut is literally Russian Roulette -- no pun intended. These people are taking a supplement with essentially no information other than some shitty Russian studies.

 

[electrodevo]

Not that I do hardcore drugs, but at least they have years of research and readily known precautions. Taking Phenibut is literally Russian Roulette -- no pun intended. These people are taking a supplement with essentially no information other than some shitty Russian studies.

Wrong way to look at phenibut. Phenibut is marketed in Russia and it looks like a few other Eastern European countries as a prescription drug named Noofen or НООФЕН. It is amusingly sold as a supplement in the US with no other information on dosage. Yay.

If you translate Russian prescription sites, here is the general dosage recommendation: .25-.5 grams three times a day maximum. Do not exceed .75 grams in a single dose. Some treatments are single dose only (eg take 250mg-500mg of phenibut one hour before a plane ride to prevent motion sickness...)

(Also, I would be willing to believe that, like benzos, the tendency would to only prescribe something for a given period of time, not continuously, due to tolerance issues... although I see none of that in the translations.)

Phenibut should, in other words, be treated like a benzo.
I'm not sure what's dumb and what's not. People get addicted to and take an insane amount of benzos.

Has anyone out there followed the dosage pattern stated by pharmacies and had a problem? I haven't had an issue with phenibut as of now, and even I am a little outside this pattern (I take 500mg 2 times in the day, as a rare occasion thing -- no more than once a week).

 

[xxxyyy]

if possible, i'd recommend getting some baclofen and tapering with that.

 

[2hung]

will be using xanax to help with taper. I hate xanax and the way it makes me feel so i wont be worrying about dependance, but it will help me sleep, relax and get rid of a bit of anxiety. Have some ambien on hand too

 

[theantiadult]

kava kava can help maybe stay on a small amount of phenibut rather then going off totally and then going back on.