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Bluelighter
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I anticipate a lot of people freaking out when I say this, but I think that commerical Phenazepam is never more than a few percent pure. 99.7% pure? 97.1%? Gimme a break. Try 1-3% pure.
In other words, doses under 100mg are pointless for most people. DON'T TAKE THIS AS ADVICE, in case I'm wrong, because then you would have serious problems.
I've been doing Phenazepam regularly for a year (sometimes I take a month off, but usually 1-2 times every week or two; at one point I did it everyday for several months).
I've bought from every North American source I have been able to find on the web at least once (total = a few dozen; some are just the same person with multiple storefronts or usenames; others are people buying from one vendor, cutting and selling for the same price). I've also bought from a number of the "underground" people who sell in this email network of research chemical and who are really into this dude Shulgin or whatever (although he has nothing to do with mdpv AFAIK).
I cannot understand all of these continuing reports that people get destroyed if they take large (i.e. 20mg+) doses of phenazepam. I feel compelled to put my own experience out there. In my opinion, at least over the past 12 months, phenaz off the internet is NEVER EVER EVER more than 1-10% real product, and is ALWAYS ALWAYS cut 90% or more.
My stats: male, 140 pounds, athletic, smoker, prescribed 4mgs Suboxone and 6mg CLONAZEPAM (CZ).
I put it in CAPITAL LETTERS because both CZ and phenazepam (can I just say PZ sometimes?) are similar triazolo-benzodiazepines and have high cross-tolerance. I don't have a particularly high benzo tolerance--at least not within the Benzotopia community. I can't get high on them really very easily, but I do get a pleasant charge from taking 4-6mgs with coffee on an empty stomach right when I wake up.
From the beginning I've read this talk about how 1 mg PZ can put you in a stupor for 3 days. So I actually bought ruber gloves and a dust mask to prepare my first order (dissolving some in propylene glyocl, some isopropyl, and leaving some as it was). I will admit, by the time I'd worked up to 10-15 mg, I did feel a decent benzo buzzo. Took all day, from morning til evening to work up to that dose. I didn't want to be that guy whose girl turned ho and who ended in every single county jail in Mississippi, crashed 3 stolen cars into elementary schools, and tried to hump a sheep, then woke up a week later in the gibbon exhibit at the zoo and was so scared he soiled himself, then had to be rescued by animal handlers, who took him in back and kicked the shit out of him for feeding 100% deadly pure Phenaze to their primates.
So I was cautious. I kept it up, and I'll admit, Phenaze did kick my ass the first month. I took about 2,000 mg. Entire weeks of amnesia, lost my job. But not from like 20 or so mgs. That would be from times I took at least 100mg, day afer day. Back then, I think the phenazepam was probably stronger--it would make sense, considering there were fewer vendors and it was just getting popular again (it sounds like it had another spike in usage in about 2004-6 and was probably much stronger then).
But you know what? The day I ran out (after that first "discover binge" month), I took TWO 2MG CLONAZEPAMS and got a little euphoric buzz. The day after taking like 50 mg of PZ. I blew it off as a fluke. Right now, a year later, with changes in PZ market, I would easily choose 4mg CZ over 50mgPZ. In my opinion, currently 50mg of PZ from any commerical vendor I've encountered is basically a meaningless dose unless you're completely benzo-naive.
I used to live near the pill "spot" in downtown LA, so I could get various benzos whenever I wanted (9am-1am, anyway). For a while, I kept buying PZ cause at that time it was cheaper. I think 1,000 mg was still $10 or $25 from a few sources. Same price as buying saying 10mg of xanax or klonipin, or 200 mg of diazepam roughly, on the street, around the way. But sometimes that's exactly what I would do. And it would get me as wasted with more euphoria than say 500 mg of phenazepam.
At one point I became dangerously dependent on 400mg/day, but sometimes took up to 2,000 a day. No physician believed me, but I was ordering 1,000mg a day or 10,000 a week. And not paying nearly what I'm paying now, 4-8 months later.
I quit cold turkey and did go through some horrible withdrawals. After 5 days I went to the ER and they said my withdrawals didn't seem so bad, so maybe they weren't so bad, I dunno. Seemed like it to me, tho.
Next day I went to the local addiction clinic and they gave me 6mg/day of Klonipin, so I woulnd't keep waking up on the ground after a seizure, which is a kinda high dose. It actually got me totally wasted for the first week.
But I've been stabilized on 6mg's/day CZ for the past 6 months. I holds me just fine, and makes feel ok.
Still, on rare occasions, I order PZ for a "booster" benzo, especially if I'm going to do a stimulant (I have no "streeet" or "friend" access to benzos, just the doc and the internet). Problem is, it's universally so diluted, I can't afford one dose anymore (it takes $40 of PZ to dull the anxiety of $5 of mdpv, which is preposterous).
I repeat: I've tried at least a few dozen vendors; all that I can find. 1,000 mg PZ really doesn't do anything much, even when combined with 6mg of CZ. I'd say they're about equivalent. If I take more than 2,000mg PZ I can feel it. But that's $40 or $45 for maybe a 8 hours of light buzz. Definitely a Xanax bar or two would be better.
Based on those impressions, I would say that the PZ currently sold in the USA is ALWAYS dilluted at least 98%.
It's not just that I became PZ-specific tolerant. Then I would be tolerant to all benzos. Plus, I take weeks at a time, sometimes a month with it.
Has anyone else noticed this? I find it strange that all I read are more horror stories and extreme trip reports about taking 5 or 10mg of PZ. That seems absurd to me.
Can anyone explain this? I've literally exhausted the websites that sell PZ (and the stream of ebay on-and-offers) and cannot find one that sells an even remotely decent product (I.E. one that offers the equivalent anxiolysis of say, a xanax bar, for less than $20 or $40). It's usually not bunk, just extremely weak.
It looks like a lot of the hysteria is coming from people who haven't tried PZ (or at least not in the last year). Microgram scales? I just use a spoon or dump the whole bag under my tongue, and my tolerance is nothin' special. What the hell is going on? A few clonipins or 1,000 mg, it seems to be the same thing to me.
I'm sure someone is going to accuse me of inciting overdose deaths. I think harm reduction and safe drug usage depends on realistic information, not hysteria.
In other words, doses under 100mg are pointless for most people. DON'T TAKE THIS AS ADVICE, in case I'm wrong, because then you would have serious problems.
I've been doing Phenazepam regularly for a year (sometimes I take a month off, but usually 1-2 times every week or two; at one point I did it everyday for several months).
I've bought from every North American source I have been able to find on the web at least once (total = a few dozen; some are just the same person with multiple storefronts or usenames; others are people buying from one vendor, cutting and selling for the same price). I've also bought from a number of the "underground" people who sell in this email network of research chemical and who are really into this dude Shulgin or whatever (although he has nothing to do with mdpv AFAIK).
I cannot understand all of these continuing reports that people get destroyed if they take large (i.e. 20mg+) doses of phenazepam. I feel compelled to put my own experience out there. In my opinion, at least over the past 12 months, phenaz off the internet is NEVER EVER EVER more than 1-10% real product, and is ALWAYS ALWAYS cut 90% or more.
My stats: male, 140 pounds, athletic, smoker, prescribed 4mgs Suboxone and 6mg CLONAZEPAM (CZ).
I put it in CAPITAL LETTERS because both CZ and phenazepam (can I just say PZ sometimes?) are similar triazolo-benzodiazepines and have high cross-tolerance. I don't have a particularly high benzo tolerance--at least not within the Benzotopia community. I can't get high on them really very easily, but I do get a pleasant charge from taking 4-6mgs with coffee on an empty stomach right when I wake up.
From the beginning I've read this talk about how 1 mg PZ can put you in a stupor for 3 days. So I actually bought ruber gloves and a dust mask to prepare my first order (dissolving some in propylene glyocl, some isopropyl, and leaving some as it was). I will admit, by the time I'd worked up to 10-15 mg, I did feel a decent benzo buzzo. Took all day, from morning til evening to work up to that dose. I didn't want to be that guy whose girl turned ho and who ended in every single county jail in Mississippi, crashed 3 stolen cars into elementary schools, and tried to hump a sheep, then woke up a week later in the gibbon exhibit at the zoo and was so scared he soiled himself, then had to be rescued by animal handlers, who took him in back and kicked the shit out of him for feeding 100% deadly pure Phenaze to their primates.
So I was cautious. I kept it up, and I'll admit, Phenaze did kick my ass the first month. I took about 2,000 mg. Entire weeks of amnesia, lost my job. But not from like 20 or so mgs. That would be from times I took at least 100mg, day afer day. Back then, I think the phenazepam was probably stronger--it would make sense, considering there were fewer vendors and it was just getting popular again (it sounds like it had another spike in usage in about 2004-6 and was probably much stronger then).
But you know what? The day I ran out (after that first "discover binge" month), I took TWO 2MG CLONAZEPAMS and got a little euphoric buzz. The day after taking like 50 mg of PZ. I blew it off as a fluke. Right now, a year later, with changes in PZ market, I would easily choose 4mg CZ over 50mgPZ. In my opinion, currently 50mg of PZ from any commerical vendor I've encountered is basically a meaningless dose unless you're completely benzo-naive.
I used to live near the pill "spot" in downtown LA, so I could get various benzos whenever I wanted (9am-1am, anyway). For a while, I kept buying PZ cause at that time it was cheaper. I think 1,000 mg was still $10 or $25 from a few sources. Same price as buying saying 10mg of xanax or klonipin, or 200 mg of diazepam roughly, on the street, around the way. But sometimes that's exactly what I would do. And it would get me as wasted with more euphoria than say 500 mg of phenazepam.
At one point I became dangerously dependent on 400mg/day, but sometimes took up to 2,000 a day. No physician believed me, but I was ordering 1,000mg a day or 10,000 a week. And not paying nearly what I'm paying now, 4-8 months later.
I quit cold turkey and did go through some horrible withdrawals. After 5 days I went to the ER and they said my withdrawals didn't seem so bad, so maybe they weren't so bad, I dunno. Seemed like it to me, tho.
Next day I went to the local addiction clinic and they gave me 6mg/day of Klonipin, so I woulnd't keep waking up on the ground after a seizure, which is a kinda high dose. It actually got me totally wasted for the first week.
But I've been stabilized on 6mg's/day CZ for the past 6 months. I holds me just fine, and makes feel ok.
Still, on rare occasions, I order PZ for a "booster" benzo, especially if I'm going to do a stimulant (I have no "streeet" or "friend" access to benzos, just the doc and the internet). Problem is, it's universally so diluted, I can't afford one dose anymore (it takes $40 of PZ to dull the anxiety of $5 of mdpv, which is preposterous).
I repeat: I've tried at least a few dozen vendors; all that I can find. 1,000 mg PZ really doesn't do anything much, even when combined with 6mg of CZ. I'd say they're about equivalent. If I take more than 2,000mg PZ I can feel it. But that's $40 or $45 for maybe a 8 hours of light buzz. Definitely a Xanax bar or two would be better.
Based on those impressions, I would say that the PZ currently sold in the USA is ALWAYS dilluted at least 98%.
It's not just that I became PZ-specific tolerant. Then I would be tolerant to all benzos. Plus, I take weeks at a time, sometimes a month with it.
Has anyone else noticed this? I find it strange that all I read are more horror stories and extreme trip reports about taking 5 or 10mg of PZ. That seems absurd to me.
Can anyone explain this? I've literally exhausted the websites that sell PZ (and the stream of ebay on-and-offers) and cannot find one that sells an even remotely decent product (I.E. one that offers the equivalent anxiolysis of say, a xanax bar, for less than $20 or $40). It's usually not bunk, just extremely weak.
It looks like a lot of the hysteria is coming from people who haven't tried PZ (or at least not in the last year). Microgram scales? I just use a spoon or dump the whole bag under my tongue, and my tolerance is nothin' special. What the hell is going on? A few clonipins or 1,000 mg, it seems to be the same thing to me.
I'm sure someone is going to accuse me of inciting overdose deaths. I think harm reduction and safe drug usage depends on realistic information, not hysteria.
Why not just get hold of some good old tried and tested benzo's ffs!