phd protein synergy

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nolys

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I'm asking the fucking questions!
Just wondering if this stuff is any good, heard some people praise this stuff but I woulld like to hear the views of some of you guys who I can trust instead of bullshit from the internet.

So can anyone tell me If this is effective? Better than protein and creatine? Cost efficient?

Thanks in advance
 
Just buy regular protein. That shit looks so fucking stupid.

I just goggled it and all it did was make me laugh for a little bit. Don't waste your money on these 150lb gurus claiming to be "muscle scientists". The thing I hate the most is that it honestly claims to have anabolic ingredients and that it will improve your performance. Marketing is so sad these days, really. There is way too much fat per scoop. I wouldn't drink it. Also, I don't know about other monetary units, but I'm going to take a wild guess and say it's over $100 per 10lbs. In which case, it's a rip.

Thanks for at least posting it here to get opinions rather than buying it like an idiot.
 
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nolys said:
Just wondering if this stuff is any good, heard some people praise this stuff but I woulld like to hear the views of some of you guys who I can trust instead of bullshit from the internet.

So can anyone tell me If this is effective? Better than protein and creatine? Cost efficient?

Thanks in advance
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It is protein/creatine w/ a bit of meal-replacement/weightgainer. Definitely the opposite of cost-effective, and IMO taking protein w/ creatine mixed in is kinda pointless, you want to control those #'s yourself.
For that $ you could get a tub of whey, casein, and some creatine mono and still have leftover $.

/voxide- it's totally anabolic, in the same way milk is ;PP
 
So I should just continue doing what I'm doing and take whey and creatine seperately?
1 more thing I'm after my first off cycle of creatine and I need to know should I re-load or just start back with 5g per day?
 
I've never seen any convincing reason to cycle on/off creatine - but I still do so. I imagine it's just an overly cautious mindset on my part.
But anyways, yes, I'd highly recommend deciding yourself what protein/fat/carb/creatine ratios you want to use (while, obvi, hitting/slightly-passing your calorie-goal), and I've *NEVER* found a product that was exactly equal to what I chose on-paper. Even if I did, I imagine it'd be significantly more expensive than me simply buying my products separately.
/convenience may be something *you* would pay for, I don't know what your time is worth. I do know that, even during times when my time was worth a lot, I still found it 'cost-effective' to get the ingredients myself, and make formulas.(two tubs of protein + one of creatine makes me 5 tubs: 3 tubs of the ingredients themselves, plus a protein mix, plus a fast-protein + creatine mix. Then I can choose at any time what the best shake is. I should add, even though not wholly relevant, that I always had both an MRP and weight-gain tub on-hand. And yes, both of those were mixtures as well. I always get my products free, online, or in stores by choosing the most cost-effective tubs that fit my needs. I never understood sacrificing my requirements just to get better flavor/mixability/convenience. Flavor can be easily adjusted, mixability just entails mixing tubs before-hand, and convenience is achieved by both of those ;)
 
You mix protein with creatine? How does that work if the creatine isn't soluble? When I mix mine all the creatine falls to the bottom after a few seconds lol.

Do you re-load after an off period? I've never seen any real evidence for stopping either but as you said - might as well be cautious :)
 
Of course I mix it, if I'm using creatine - why wouldn't I? Creatine(mono, anyways) is *not* very water-soluble anyways, it doesn't matter if you add protein to the mix ;P (but yes, you gotta shake a shake<lol> more if there's crea.-mono in it, that stuff settles out like crazy)
Yeah I pre-load, although I have seen no real reason to (most things I've read - albeit a bit back..., have seemed to say that after a week or two your levels of creatine will be the same whether you 'loaded' or not - but it's cheap as a mono/powder, and I still load outta impatience lol. Ironic, since the reasons I take time off from it are the same that'd make it bad to load ;P )
 
I mean mix them together before drinking them lol taking them at the same time :p yeah I know what you mean I use mono isolate and I think I'm gonna preload becus I reli don't want to have to wait 2-3 weeks, I'd rather wait 3-7 days lol.

I'm gonna leave the phd out of my diet tho... Some whey will do the trick
 
Yeah I seldom take creatine in regular water lol, it doesn't really have any taste/mixability issues (except settling) so it's easier to just get 2 shakes down at the same time ;P

And good call leaving the phd stuff out - but whey won't do the trick to replace it, phd was more of a meal-replacement/weightgainer (can't remember exact macro's), to replace that you'd need more than just whey (that's presuming you were interested in phd because it fit your macro/calorie needs - if you weren't even considering that, then I can assure you that dialing in your cal's/macro's(protein/fat/carbs) will be *far* more beneficial than stuff like creatine ;) )
 
Sorry I said whey I meant weight gain and creatine though a I'm unsure of what the best brands are for cost effectiveness, I've been using some dirty body fortress shit that's mainly sugar. Am I allowed to ask for brands or is that sourcing?
 
you can ask for brands of otc supplements, but honestly brands is a bad way to choose IMO. Figure out what you're looking for in the powder, then shop by price (and quality and taste - however much weight you put on those). As far as weightgainer, they vary like crazy - biggest things are usually protein:calories (ranges from solid to barely there), type of carbs (most are malto.dext which, technically, is a 'complex' carb, but has the same effect as str8 sugar. Some, but few, weightgainers actually have true complex/lowGI carbs, but they're rarer/pricier in general). For creatine, I actually avoid anything besides mono, which works out nice. I'll get it mixed with sugar if the price is the same, otherwise I just get a cheap tub of mono and use gatorade or whey when I mix it. (I've always distrusted supp.companies to the point I'm not interested in taking their new creatine-super-duper-iso-phenyl-alkyl bullshit, lol.)
 
True I just want a good whey protein that isn't full of simple sugars. I don't see the use... I wouldn't go near any of those hyped up kre-alkylene or creatine iso blah blah blah shit. My freind took kre alkylene with no results whilst mono worked a treat for me. Branding doesn't matter at all for mono as lonf as its micronised and not bunk lol... Supplement companys are wankers...
 
Maybe I wasn't doing it right but I've tried mono and ester and didn't experience anything other than a foul taste in my mouth. I don't understand the allure of creatine.
 
auhsoJ said:
Maybe I wasn't doing it right but I've tried mono and ester and didn't experience anything other than a foul taste in my mouth. I don't understand the allure of creatine.
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Mono shouldn't have left any bad taste - ester I'm unfamiliar with, I'm just gonna stick w/ mono til there's some reputable science on another form.
The allure is that it's one of the only OTC supplements that actually does consistently work - it doesn't do much at all lol, but given that it's cheap, safe, and efficient, it's definitely worthwhile for someone who's already got diet/training/sleep in place ;)
 
Mono is tasteless like, completely tasteless, I think there's flavoured varietys but anyone who pays extra for that is a bellend.
Creatine and protein are the only 2 supplements that will make any difference consistenly. Any other supplements are hyped up bullshit
 
nolys said:
Mono is tasteless like, completely tasteless, I think there's flavoured varietys but anyone who pays extra for that is a bellend.
Creatine and protein are the only 2 supplements that will make any difference consistenly. Any other supplements are hyped up bullshit
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You sure about that? What about fish oil, d3, glutamine etc etc? Most is shit but there are a few essentials that really help.
 
Even as far as standard ergogenics go, caffeine/ephedrine are still crazy useful. Fish oils and multivit, and protein/weightgain if you can't hit your nute levels, are '1st line' products imo. For performance on endurance work, caffeine can be helpful (and creatine is useless); for lifting, caffeine/creatine help a lil - but none of them will help as much as fixing dietary imbalances, they're definitely secondary to your diet/training/sleep - if you can work on those, you'll get more outta them ;)
 
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