Permanent Damage By Xtc Use Thread!

[Callum]

The 'Permanent Damage By Xtc Use' Thread!

PERMANENT DAMAGE BY XTC USE THREAD!

This thread is for everyone to include the Habits that have been formed by ecstasy use and the positive effects on your daily life and if any, the negative side effects!

For me habits that have started from rolling are I say 'I love you' entirely way to much, I can wiggle my eyes when I'm sober and I hug my homeboys way to much! Oh and my girl says I am way more "pationate in bed"

 

[PGTips]

I'd say MDMA has shown me I can be more open, even when on a low dose, but unfortunately I rarely reinact that when I'm sober I get "eye wiggles" when feeling good from other drugs like mushrooms.

I think the largest effect on my life Ecstasy has had is opening me up to drugs. MDMA was the first drug I tried (excluding alcohol) and it showed me the wonderful upside of them, and since then I've been slowly trying more and more of them. As a result I've met people I never would have otherwise and I'm so happy that I have met them, but its also given me the image of being a "druggie" to my non-drug-using friends, and possibly reduced their opinion of me. Hopefully by not much since they see I'm not a fuck up (I'm just a little weird ) but it still makes them think differently of me.

I'm about to show the "Ecstasy Rising" documentry to a completely non-using friend to show its not all evil

 

[Brian Oblivion]

I can honestly say that I've never had any negative effects from MDMA. Even when I've had binges, and taken as much as 250 mgs of MDMA in the early 90's (18 hour old, and weighed on a lab scale), I've never had a problem.

The next day or so can be a little trying without taking 5-HTP, but other than that, it has been pretty kind to me.

In terms of benefits, it has aided me in working though some difficult life events (not "drugging" through them, but in a therapeutic sense).

And in terms of sexuality, due to the effect that I experience, I consider it a sex enhancement drug. Maybe the guys on the other side of the Drug War should give it a try. There's absolutely nothing else like making love on MDMA. :D


Now MDA, is a whole different matter. It is difficult to remain focused on the erotic (probably because of its stronger dopamine interactions), is extremely intoxicating, and beats the hell out of you for the next day or so (even with 5-HTP). The "day after" MDA recovery reminds me of having the flu, except without the flu symptoms. I just feel completely beat up, and veg out in front of the TV and doze off now and then (just like getting over the flu).

 

[GFunk02]

Off topic, can someone describe what eye wiggles are? I am a veteran of hallucinogens, only did what i would call mdma 5 times... wow! it also showed me how open I can be... heaven on earth! theres got to be a price to pay for that kind of high other than money... I think it does downregulate and possibly damage neurons. Only noticable after using a lot...

I know ppl that have done it soo much, hundreds of times, and some seem like they have slight difficulty with speech and memory, and some are just fine. Like me now

I used to be depressed and blamed drugs but its going away since i'm more responsible now with use. Time heals *most* wounds.

Happy rolling, and be safe.

p.s. gotta love that human traffic xtc scene. that sums it all up :D

 

[Brian Oblivion]

theres got to be a price to pay for that kind of high other than money... I think it does downregulate and possibly damage neurons. Only noticable after using a lot...

That's a cultural reaction. We are all programmed to believe that God will punish us for venturing into the Garden of Eden. :D

The latest studies (very important ones, BTW) have suggested that MDMA at recreational levels may not even be toxic (even for heavy users). There is still a great deal research to do before making a final conclusion. But, so far, take "real scientists," add *unbiased* research methods, toss in dispassionate data reporting, and the the results don't look all that bad.

 

[VelocideX]

I agree with Alphanumeric -- MDMA showed me the potential of chemistry. I'd accepted drug use for some time before that (due to going to many raves), but wondered if people were frying their brains. Decided to do some research and found otherwise, tried and loved :D

I feel I'm more compassionate and open, and I also feel that it went a long way in curing my depression and hang-ups about many things.

I feel that it has negatively affected my image amongst some of my friends, but my true friends all understand (even if they don't do it).

In terms of negative effects, there aren't many. Increasingly shitty pills where I am often mean I'm more messed up the day after than I might have been, and I'm a lot poorer for it heh.

 

[Pippin]

stuffing up my diet and subsequently my metabolism

mysteriously lol ive been sicker since ive started doing pills than ever before. i was almost never sick beforehand and in the past 9 months ive been admitted to emergency twice (not for anything drug-related tho lol) and uncountable stomach upsets and colds etc.
the hospital thing might be a coincidence...still its funny to joke about. one was appendicitis...ive always wondered if my drug consumption had anything to do with the very fast flaring up of the problem.
One day-after i fainted about 25-30 times (towards the end i started not recognising my bf and house). got lots of bruises and bumps from that one lol. It was every time i stood up...a blood pressure thing, i think. and probably related to a combination with other medication.

 

[infinity]

- even less appetite than before
- depression
- ability to sleep impaired (it was even worse a few yrs ago)
- twitching legs (sometimes other body parts)
- lessened ability to focus/concentrate

 

[stevie2k4]

hello every one great forum and others, ive been visiting these boards for ages now but i thought id sign up today. anyway the permanent damage ecstasy has done to me is:

Negative
more moody
get depressed/angry more often
TERRIBLE TERRIBLE memory (seriously, i am very worried about it)

Positive
more open (can talk to anyone about anything, even strangers)
definitly more honest
always dancing and singing more (even sober)

also changed my views on certain subjects like the whole drug scene, politics, life and so on.

oh and one more thing, i hate it when people try to make insects suffer, trap them and even burn them, i have an attitude that they didnt do nothing to you, they didnt ask to be put here on earth. i never cared about these until too much ecstasy use, but id say this is a good thing.

thx stevie

 

[effecstacies]

i can't think of any negative effects i've had, except for maybe the day after but its usually just being really lazy and kinda slow, lol. i have noticed some positive effects. i'm a lot more open. i dont mind talking to people i dont know. sometimes i'll even go up to them, before i was the type of girl who you had to come up and talk to or youd never know i was there. i love to help everyone out now, before i would just be like "yeah...they can figure it out for themselves". i find if i have a bad day its a lot easier to get myself happier again by even the smallest thing. I have a very optomistic view on the world and life. Although I would say some friends have a different opinion of me now, but my true friends don't mind at all.

 

[Marc285]

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- twitching legs (sometimes other body parts)


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Is this a well known side effect, because Ive also noticed this happening a lot, especially at night.

 

[GFunk02]

A few hours of bliss a few times a month isn't worth the risk of lifetime problems. And yea, bla bla bla some studies are inconclusive but read some of the ones about memory problems, depression, etc.

And studies aside, I have personally saw it do a fair bit of damage to the moderate/heavy users.

I strongly advise, if you don't want to quit, do it like I do which is once or twice a year.

Some of you might not see any problems now... but my guess is a lot of problems are going to occur later in life, like early altzeimers and parkinsons. It does damage the brain people... its neurotoxic. Your brain can adapt to some or most of that eventually, but later in life your brain naturally becomes "weaker", and with an already weakened brain... you do the math.

 

[VelocideX]

Some of you might not see any problems now... but my guess is a lot of problems are going to occur later in life, like early altzeimers and parkinsons. It does damage the brain people... its neurotoxic. Your brain can adapt to some or most of that eventually, but later in life your brain naturally becomes "weaker", and with an already weakened brain... you do the math.

MDMA has never been postulated to have any possible causative link with Alzheimer's disease.

The studies implying that MDMA might cause premature parkinsonism have been retracted. There currently stands no study which suggests MDMA damages dopamine cell bodys, the cause of Parkinson's Disease.

I don't deny that MDMA is neurotoxic, but evidence of dopaminergic neurotoxicity at recreational doses doesn't exist AFAIK.

 

[Insane Platypus]

Some of you might not see any problems now... but my guess is a lot of problems are going to occur later in life, like early altzeimers and parkinsons. It does damage the brain people... its neurotoxic. Your brain can adapt to some or most of that eventually, but later in life your brain naturally becomes "weaker", and with an already weakened brain... you do the math.

Proof?

 

[tricky_nicky]

^^^^^^^Yeah you're probably right. MDMA does accelerate the release of serotonin - and speeds up many organ processes. its putting an extra LOAD on your brain and body... it should be expected that you may come across increased wear to whatever degree.

Apply it to something else - a combustion engine in a car for example - now turbocharge it. All of the engines internals and seals will be put under an additional strain - and depending on how hard the engine is worked (by it's driver...) a mechanic might expect to come across blown gaskets or worn piston bores earlier than a naturally aspirated engine.

carrying on with the analogy, if u burn around day after day, corner after corner, you're entire car is going to cop a battering! balding tyres, thinning brake pads.. a noisier valvetrain (now i like that metaphor ). but what would you expect? itd be hairy to think what would happen if you clipped a curb in your thrashings - it could be disasterous!

Now in terms of burning out on E, you will feel the wear. come downs usually become harsher. and push it hard enough for long enough and you will arrive at the feet of anxiety and depression.

The issue of neurotoxicity i think has truth - and from what ive read no one is sure on the extent of damage, its effects (long-term) and what doses bring it on. However, with responsible, irregular use incorporating appropriate pre-load and/or post-load regimes, i think we as humans do little damage. In the case of sad individuals like our spanish friend who ingests 2.5g in a session(8( !!!), i would say that the tall wave of neurotoxicity he experienced quite likely caused noticeable, irreversible brain damage.

However, regarding the many posts ive read where people claim heavy use has robbed them of their ability to concentrate, stay verbally coherent and retain information... In many cases (and im not saying ALL) these are symptoms of depression and anxiety and the inability to command ones own mind because of it.

I am only so strong in this view because it is what i have witnessed in mates and what i've personally experienced after 6 months of heavy E usage. I blamed my problems on brain damage caused by weed and mdma. It took me 4 months of not taking any ecstacy and weekly counselling to realise this was not the case and gain my self trust and confidence back.

In the long run - mdma may have an effect. I may get alzheimers 5 years earlier than i shouldve, my penis may fall off at teh base when i strike the age of 69 - woe is me. i believe in the quality not the quantity anyways

 

[VelocideX]

^^ There has never been a link suggested between alzheimers and pills.

 

[TheFSM]

MDMA has made me realize many things I can change about myself or the better. Hell 2 nights ago during the comedown of a roll I picked up a pen and a pad and just started writing.

http://thefsm.com/relief.txt

I would never have the guts to do that MDMA Gave me the little push I needed and now I cant stop writing things! Stories, or weird rhymes like I posted above.

 

[snakjaw]

I love all the "You will have Alzheimer's later in life" theories.

I mean, look at all the UK people who have been munching 10 pills at a time since the 80s - look at all the Alzheimers they - oh wait...

 

[beanpoophead]

mdma has helped me to be a more open person. especially when meeting new people. its jsut opened my mind. i have found my love for dancing and singing and being goofy. i think it has made me appreaciate life in a weird way.

for bad things... uhh i dont know. i guess i do have some sleep problems but i would not say that is becaue of ecstacy. honestly i have no bad effects wOOt!

 

[abcdeee]

oh and one more thing, i hate it when people try to make insects suffer, trap them and even burn them, i have an attitude that they didnt do nothing to you, they didnt ask to be put here on earth. i never cared about these until too much ecstasy use, but id say this is a good thing.

thx stevie [/B]

ohhhh.. tears to you darling