Pct deca test enanthate

[MGHero]

This is really just to confirm what ive researched as well as what ive been told along with getting some vet opinions.

Ive been on a deca + test enanthate cycle and will end at 12 weeks. (Might continue test alone for another 2 weeks due to a certain time frame) doses are 2cc deca 3cc test per week. Im not really looking for advice on my cycle so try to keep it focused on PCT.

Ive researched and clomid and novadex seem like the best pct i can do. Ive read that novadex is a great pct but clomid can boost results when both are used. What is your opinion on that?

Most cycles ive found were as such
Start after 2 weeks off gear

Novadex only
Day1- 100mg
First 10 days- 60mg
Second 10 days- 40mg

Novadex clomid
Day1- 250mg clomid 60mg novadex
First 10 days- 100mg clomid 40mg novadex
Second 10 days- 50mg clomid 20mg novadex

With both pct continues for 3-4 weeks


What do you think of these dosages and what could possibly be better for me. What do you use for pct

 

[Jinglebells]

HCG should be used either during cycle or post cycle especially when using something like Tren or Deca which shut you down hard. If it were me your Nolva and Clomid (but Clomid especially) dosages would be too high. That is if you are using pharmaceutical grade, not research chemicals.

 

[Serotonin101]

Those serm doses are way too high.

 

[Steroids]

To high of doses - My PCT is always the same and it is: Liquid Nolvadex 40/40/20/20/ sometimes i'll go an extra week with another 20mg

I've actually heard several people have some side effects from Clomid, so I've always steered clear of it, but it is a recognizable form of PCT so I know it is legit and many people use it solo and combined with Nolv. I've just never had a reason to add anything with my nolva.

If extreme sides show up such as gyno symptoms then a STRONG AI , Nolva, Clomid and maybe something else would be stacked together for me lol

 

[Genetic Freak]

Start after 2 weeks off gear

Novadex only
Day1- 100mg
First 10 days- 60mg
Second 10 days- 40mg

Novadex clomid
Day1- 250mg clomid 60mg novadex
First 10 days- 100mg clomid 40mg novadex
Second 10 days- 50mg clomid 20mg novadex

With both pct continues for 3-4 weeks


What do you think of these dosages and what could possibly be better for me. What do you use for pct

Nolvadex isn't normally dosed any higher than 20mg when recommended by medical professionals.. Clomid you could start at 50mg lowering to 25mg..

Unfortunately nandrolone metabolites are still present months after cessation making recovery of HPTA difficult...

 

[Steroids]

Nolvadex isn't normally dosed any higher than 20mg when recommended by medical professionals.. Clomid you could start at 50mg lowering to 25mg..

Unfortunately nandrolone metabolites are still present months after cessation making recovery of HPTA difficult...

40mg of nolva is well tolerated. It's not a must though unless you have severe sides such as gyno symptoms then 40mg IS recommended.
When it comes time for my PCT i'll probably do 40mg for the first 3days then just stick to 20mg for the remainder just to see how it goes. I mean if it works then that means I saved quite a bit of nolva for next cycle
Cheers.

 

[Jinglebells]

Nolvadex isn't normally dosed any higher than 20mg when recommended by medical professionals.. Clomid you could start at 50mg lowering to 25mg..

Unfortunately nandrolone metabolites are still present months after cessation making recovery of HPTA difficult...

Exactly which is why I used nandrolone phenylprop and never deca. Deca just doesn't know when the party has ended. Also 50mg of clomid turned me into an emotional wreck, 25mg works well. But I don't have that problem anymore as I have no intention of coming off for the foreseeable future.

 

[Genetic Freak]

Exactly which is why I used nandrolone phenylprop and never deca. Deca just doesn't know when the party has ended. Also 50mg of clomid turned me into an emotional wreck, 25mg works well. But I don't have that problem anymore as I have no intention of coming off for the foreseeable future.

Phenylpropionate and decanoate are just esters attached to the beta-hydroxyl at C17, they modulate the release of nandrolone into the bloodstream, where the ester is cleaved by hydrolase and esterase, allowing nandrolone to bind nuclear receptor and trigger effect...
Nandrolone unfortunately has metabolites that can negatively impact recovery by remaining the body many months after cessation, the half lives of both esters have only minimal impact upon those metabolites...

 

[PINKoPANaTHER]

I gotta ask, even with all my knowledge of biochemistry and molecular biology... GF, would you ever take Nandrolone again if you were younger and looking for good solid gains you can maintain? I started a small TRT dose recently and am about in shape enough again to go back on a full cycle, and I have had GREAT results with both masteron and trenbolone, but I have been afraid of the really long acting injectables. I was considering EQ over deca, but would like the advice your expreience can provide on that (I personally saw huge improvements in stamina from masteron allowing me to just melt off body fat, so I may be a little unique in that because I started it at 12-15% bf), tren gives me the best results, but unlike with mast, my cardio is compromised and I get anxiety/sleeplessness after 4-5 weeks on it.

Not trying to hijack the thread, but it seemed appropriate after the above comment, if you would like PM me GF. I think its between tren, mast, and EQ for me, but I'm looking for longer term results this time with minimal sides, so tren may not be ideal...

 

[Jinglebells]

Phenylpropionate and decanoate are just esters attached to the beta-hydroxyl at C17, they modulate the release of nandrolone into the bloodstream, where the ester is cleaved by hydrolase and esterase, allowing nandrolone to bind nuclear receptor and trigger effect...
Nandrolone unfortunately has metabolites that can negatively impact recovery by remaining the body many months after cessation, the half lives of both esters have only minimal impact upon those metabolites...

That's interesting. Would that impact the timing of a PCT? I understand what you are saying but I am more interested in what difference that makes in practical terms. Since metabolites are still around with either ester and their half lives have minimal impact. Raising endogenous testosterone is problematic when there is still exogenous hormones, what impact do you think metabolites have on the length of time one should wait to begin their PCT? I will give you 2 different scenarios

1 Cycle 8 weeks : test prop/npp 150mg eod
Half life is 4.5 days. Traditional advice is to wait 3 plus days before starting PCT.

a) Cycle is 16 weeks Test e and 14 weeks Deca 600 each
Half life is 14 days. Traditional advice is wait 2 weeks since the last shot of enanthate meaning it is 4 weeks since Deca is finished and PCT starts.

Now I am no endorsing this general advice, nor am I challenging the information you presented, I am just curious

 

[Genetic Freak]

I gotta ask, even with all my knowledge of biochemistry and molecular biology... GF, would you ever take Nandrolone again if you were younger and looking for good solid gains you can maintain? I started a small TRT dose recently and am about in shape enough again to go back on a full cycle, and I have had GREAT results with both masteron and trenbolone, but I have been afraid of the really long acting injectables. I was considering EQ over deca, but would like the advice your experience can provide on that (I personally saw huge improvements in stamina from masteron allowing me to just melt off body fat, so I may be a little unique in that because I started it at 12-15% bf), tren gives me the best results, but unlike with mast, my cardio is compromised and I get anxiety/sleeplessness after 4-5 weeks on it.

Not trying to hijack the thread, but it seemed appropriate after the above comment, if you would like PM me GF. I think its between tren, mast, and EQ for me, but I'm looking for longer term results this time with minimal sides, so tren may not be ideal...

Some people report a more defined, leaner look from Eq, as opposed to just bulky from nandrolone, as with anything diet could influence results..
Test-Deca-Dbol-Adrol used to be the old school stack for bulking, its effective and works for that purpose..

Interesting you report positive effects from masteron, was this in combination with tren, or on its own.?

Have used test-deca 3 months on- 3 months off for over 10 years, liked it then, maybe at my age now I might be more concerned by nandrolones negative effects on cardiovascular health...

 

[CFC]

That's interesting. Would that impact the timing of a PCT? I understand what you are saying but I am more interested in what difference that makes in practical terms. Since metabolites are still around with either ester and their half lives have minimal impact. Raising endogenous testosterone is problematic when there is still exogenous hormones, what impact do you think metabolites have on the length of time one should wait to begin their PCT? I will give you 2 different scenarios

1 Cycle 8 weeks : test prop/npp 150mg eod
Half life is 4.5 days. Traditional advice is to wait 3 plus days before starting PCT.

a) Cycle is 16 weeks Test e and 14 weeks Deca 600 each
Half life is 14 days. Traditional advice is wait 2 weeks since the last shot of enanthate meaning it is 4 weeks since Deca is finished and PCT starts.

Now I am no endorsing this general advice, nor am I challenging the information you presented, I am just curious

The whole idea about PCTs in general is pretty flawed. It doesn't really matter how many days you wait before starting, it's not that precise and won't matter.

However when you've used nandrolone a typical clomid/nolva PCT probably won't do anything at all for your longer term recovery.

The best thing you can do, during cycle, is to try to limit the oxidative damage caused by excess aromatase activity and oestrogen in the testes (and possibly hypothalamus and pituitary).

Daily consumption of taurine has been studied as one way to manage this (at about 3-5g/day). Powerful antioxidants like NAC and ALA would probably also have a similar effect.