TDS Patients with anxiety/depression susceptible to drug problems. I'm binging on coke

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This is not a scientific study. It's a stream of consciousness. Some things I've been wanting off my mind. In this thread, I will stick to stimulant abuse.

The inefficiency, mental dialogue, inability to focus, boredom keep resulting in stimulant binges. 2010 was heavy in Methylone, 2C-E, MDPV, Xanax, and MXE.

From the end of 2011 until now, ...

I have been taking an SSRI + Wellbutrin. Doses varied and there were periodic withdrawings from the meds. For the most part, I was on these daily at their highest available dose. I missed some days and double (or triple) dosed on other days. If I was withdrawing for a week, I will take 1 dose, wait 12+ hours and take 2.5x etc. There was considerable instability in the beginning of my regimen but the past year has remained fairly consistent in subjective effects (though doses and ingestion time varied.)

Wellbutrin and Paxil or Zoloft feel like they diminish everything (except 2Cs, MXE, weed, ...) "Diminish" in this context means that they dampen some of the effects of cocaine, MDMA, Methylone, MDAI. Anything that acts on increasing serotonin or dopamine or norepinephrine indirectly or directly will be subjectively different, weaker, stronger, etc. Don't mix prescription drugs together or other substances.

Anyway, from 2010+, there were heavy binges on 4-FA, 4-FMA, Cocaine, and MDV.

MDPV is pure and cheap. Even if it wasn't, it's the most addicting thing I've ever felt. This drug only gave me empathetic effects in very high doses. I had MDPV sitting around for a few months, having tried a tiny line than and finding it uninteresting. If I wanted MDPV to work as expected, I would take at least 15 coke sized lines a day. Sleep was non-existant, I felt I was awake and fully alert. The drug is very stimulating and feels somewhat like ethylphenidate or ritalin. High and chronic dosing leads to vivid hallucinations, voices, delusions and paranoia. With chronic use, there seems to be a ceiling after which you experience these effects (stimulant psychosis.) This ceiling is lowered with every dose. I have gotten to the point where even if I abstain for a month, only a few doses will begin making me paranoid. If I miss one day of sleep I begin hallucinating. The hallucinations are a manifestation of my paranoia. I was in fight or flight mode. I felt fantastic, but was unable to fully understand why. I never gave it a thought. MDPV abuse leads to psychotic symptoms very rapidly.

In hindsight, being in an instinctive mode is very enlightening and gives a good picture of cognition, motivation, happiness and etc being being broken down. The more you take the drug, the more (subtle) effects you begin to recognize. You begin to see patterns. What general mechanism in the brain is responsible for what subjective effect. Being able to see frames of reality from different angles is a major catalyst in helping me consciously grow.

The entire "experience" was life changing to me and my views on motivation, happiness, mindfulness, meditation, schizophrenia and depression.

A batch of 4-FA from a US supplier blew every other stim I've tried. It was potent, very long lasting (8+ hours), had no crash or hang over except with chronic use. The drug is not moreish. It completely changed my perception on nootropics. Euphoria is just another effect of the drug. People generally take or stick to a family of drugs that makes them feel like they are at their best. For example, anxiety has serious repercussions on almost every aspect of my life. While benzodiazepines have their cons, when taken responsibly (no dose increases, stick to a strict routine/schedule), they stop the internal dialogue completely.

I say "internal dialogue" - what does that mean? It's a feeling of not being in the present moment. The majority of what you are experiencing in your mind and physically are related to the past or the future. Everything is questionable and you will begin to question everything you're doing. This becomes routine and your body finds ways to work around it, but you're always at a cognitive disadvantage. The "cognitive pros/cons" in this context means that your brain and body are stable enough to allow for sustaining attention to some activity, to passively and objectively experience (be aware) of external stimuli. There's no "good" or "bad" - things just are. you can choose to label every experience in a certain way, or maybe your emotions happen first (chemically) and begins having a strong influence on your thoughts. On what you pay attention to.

Anxiety causes one to operate at below the national baseline. It's a range and these both allow to depression as well. It's an illness.

In the past 3 days I slept for a total of 6 hours here and there and have gone through at least 4.5g of very pure coke. I feel nothing if I take the amount my friends take, anxious and irritated if I take a slightly higher dose. It's only when I do a VERY big line that I feel coke the way it feels off meds. There's empathy, etc. This is because of my meds and I DO NOT suggest you take big lines. In fact, I'm beginning to hallucinate in my peripheral vision and will be going to sleep.

For the past 2 weeks, I have been taking etizolam on and off. I always take benzos when binging. I try to keep my mind and heart rate down, and benzodiazepines add some protection against having a seizure (serious if you're on wellbutrin/bupropion.)

After the first few doses, stimulants become very impotent, ineffective and have a short lifespan. Not sleeping or fully recovering between doses quickly leads to your prefrontal cortex being shutdown and you being a robot—not yourself. You may feel good, and this gives you positive thoughts (emotions lead to thoughts) but this is temporary. Maybe having a routine and sticking to it will lead to performance enhancement.

I need to stop, but when? I'm not talking about the withdrawal. After I get through that and back to my baseline, I return to the boy who grew up with low mental and physical energy, a short attention span and what have you. It doesn't matter if the drugs lowered my baseline or not. There are definitely lasting changes, but none that are negative.

This coke feels (and looks, tastes) very pure. It feels very clean. I have not experienced any severe crash thus far (this entire week.) It's extremely difficult to choose between buying an 8 ball and getting the binge out of my system, sleeping off my last dose and waking up somewhat near baseline (when meds taken after coke, but then what?), taper myself off (no withdrawal symptoms that a few hours of sleep won't fix though.)

I'm going to meditate.
 
Well I've used opiates religiously to control my emotions, along with copious amounts of alcohol. Now I'm WDing from both and, rather unsurprisingly, my sober mind has returned and it's fucking bullshit. I'd rather be a junkie than deal with what I am.
 
To sproutOnSmack.. if you are withdrawing then you are very far from a sober mind.. you will have to put in the effort to heal yourself psychologically, and work at and acquire the patience to allow the process of neuroplasticity and neuroregeneration to heal your brain. expecting ones brain, emotions and mood to instantly return to baseline and with out any of the work required is completely unrealistic. But if you develop a strong recovery plan and work that plan with patience and diligence you will find yourself in a place you have only dreamed of... your doing great and all the things necessary to live an amazing life in recovery are pleasurable and easy, they just require a little daily dedication.. the idea of taking a quick shortcut by taking a substance or multiple substances to get us to a peaceful life and the actual negative results of the should show us that there are no direct paths to this.. but as I can now attest the true paths to this are really enjoyable and can only be looked at as a chore if that is how we choose to look at them.. so I guess what im trying to say is that with a little work, a little patience, and a little routine of a few pleasurable things you can find yourself in a place that is peaceful and enjoyable and thats if it isn't downright amazing<3.. I did=D
 
To sproutOnSmack.. if you are withdrawing then you are very far from a sober mind.. you will have to put in the effort to heal yourself psychologically, and work at and acquire the patience to allow the process of neuroplasticity and neuroregeneration to heal your brain. expecting ones brain, emotions and mood to instantly return to baseline and with out any of the work required is completely unrealistic. But if you develop a strong recovery plan and work that plan with patience and diligence you will find yourself in a place you have only dreamed of... your doing great and all the things necessary to live an amazing life in recovery are pleasurable and easy, they just require a little daily dedication.. the idea of taking a quick shortcut by taking a substance or multiple substances to get us to a peaceful life and the actual negative results of the should show us that there are no direct paths to this.. but as I can now attest the true paths to this are really enjoyable and can only be looked at as a chore if that is how we choose to look at them.. so I guess what im trying to say is that with a little work, a little patience, and a little routine of a few pleasurable things you can find yourself in a place that is peaceful and enjoyable and thats if it isn't downright amazing<3.. I did=D

I'm diagnosed with BP so my "sober mind" is very often jumping between not sleeping or eating for days, walking around naked and becoming incredibly paranoid or being so depressed I carve chunks of my own flesh away.
Hell, the numbness of opiates is beautiful in any state of mind, but when it's medicating it's even more fantastic.
 
OP: stop binging on coke and go see a psych to see if you have ADD or something. I am diagnosed with add and scripted dexedrine and take etizolam due to a previous habit and lingering anxiety issues from the past. Once i learned to stop chasing the high and the rush, i find am very functional, normal, productive, though moody much of the time but for the most part a normal human being for once while on 40mg/day dexedrine and 10mg/day etizolam (yes etizolam dose too high but i'm working on that).

if you found 4-FA very useful then dextroamphetamine is probably the best drug to treat your symptoms. There's no crash, it's smooth, yet mentally stimulating, creates great focus, motivation and drive. Tolerance does not develop rapidly unless you are abusing it and there is some evidence of a reverse tolerance effect occurring after daily use.

The path you are taking now is not going to lead to a functional, happy and healthy life, you are going to be strung out and out of money, unless you can afford to keep such a habit gong without fucking up your life, in which case, i congratulate you, otherwise i'd seek medical advice from your Dr.

It seems like you enjoy being on the brink of insanity, which is fine but will impair your cognitive abilities and your ability to function in this society. I don't suggest outright stopping stimulants, just stop abusing them and get a script from a Dr, so you aren't paying out the ass for cocaine. Some people actually have legitimate issues with ADD, focus, concentration, motivation and whatever else and amphetamines work for this, long term, so long as you don't abuse them.

and yes almost every addict has issues with depression/anxiety or some other mental illness. Every single one of us with these issues is susceptible to extreme drug abuse, so we have to tow that line between being stable and functional and being a full blown drug addict that is spiraling out of control.

I can't even quit stims now, i don't really love them, i'm more of a downer person but going back to my old way of thinking, thoughts all over the place, brain can't process all the stimuli, no focus, motivation or drive. I just can't function like that but i also know binging and abusing stimulants will lead to psychosis, depression, big crashes and a ton of mental issues. So i take the best road and stay on a moderate dose of dexedrine/adderall/methylphenidate daily, always consistently dose and never chase that high and you can have the best of both worlds.

that internal dialogue is a sign of incoming psychosis in my experience. Yes benzos will help but if you are binging you'll end up with a huge benzo habit like I have and it's not fun. Etizolam just calms my anxiety and that's it, and i have to pay enough money to keep my supply up and if i run out i'm fucked. It's too easy to slip into benzo/etizolam dependence, especially when you are stims daily or binging, so just be careful and take a step back and think 'what the fuck am i doing?'

and damn you wouldn't believe the amount of cigarettes i smoke since i started taking dexedrine lol.
 
I'm diagnosed with BP so my "sober mind" is very often jumping between not sleeping or eating for days, walking around naked and becoming incredibly paranoid or being so depressed I carve chunks of my own flesh away.
Hell, the numbness of opiates is beautiful in any state of mind, but when it's medicating it's even more fantastic.
<3<3 have you found anything in the traditional "medications" that works at all for you.. are you a type one or two?

I have bipolar two and have been able to use allot of different things in conjunction to really help me out and have now been living medication free for almost a year and by really working on what i have found works I was really able to take away the severity of the peaks and valleys.. .. as with the addiction I truly find that keeping myself in today helps a great deal... I hope you are able to find something that works.. I know that alcohol is so tempting at either end of the spectrum but I would really consider dropping that permanently from you list of medications.<3
 
Just need to clear this up: 4-FA is not a nootropic. It is a amphetamine. Not sure if you were suggesting that but it sure sounds like it.

Also, be aware that using etizolam can be dangerous in all sorts of ways when using stims. Makes you take more and if taken long enough will cause a physical dependence. It sounds like you ultimately know what you are doing is not the best idea for yourself mentally and physically. If I were you I would take a long break at the least.

Also, keep in mind, we do not know the long term effects of things like 4-FA. Yes its a very fun stim, but after a few tries I just couldn't justify using it anymore.
 
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