Oxy contin....is it needed to be given to so many patients in US?

[(AA10) - 10mg]

In the UK it is impossible to get oxycontin/codone hydro for prescription. Iv read this site for a while and in the US you guys get these calibre painkillers for wisdom teeth removal, back pain, migraine etc. I have a relative that suffers imensely from back and migrane pain and the hardest painkiller she's got in codeine 30/500. Due to moaning alot she has got baclofen, tramadol and when reading your site you guys say tramadol is pitiful. No doubt if they were in US they would have OXY by now.

My question is WHY on earth in your country do your doctors hand it out so easily. Maybe other countries do too, my theory is because your medical system is all based on insurance. I read in the paper today and it generally said "michael jacson had oxycontin in his house....these are often named 'hillbilly heroin' and are only given out to the terminally ill". But almost all teenagers have tried this. IT intrests me imenslly, as i stated i know someone who go's doctors alot for many reasons, slip discs, migranes etc and doesnt get what most 16 years olds have tried.

In most cases her pain goes away without them too, THATS ANOTHER ARGUMENT!

WHY AND IN RELATION TO IS OXY NEEDED IN 90% OF CASES?

 

[OxyMorph]

Money Money Money. at least that's what i think. My father is a chronic pain patient (degenerative disk disease) and he is on roxicodone 30 mg 6 times a day and OC 80's 3 times a day to control his pain. He has been on this combo for over ten years and this is the only medicine that can control his pain the best (he's tried everything besides opana and dilaudid). I think the UK is fucked when it comes to pain control, i would never want to live their. I mean come on, codeine and tramadol for that kind of pain. THAT'S FUCKING RIDICULOUS! They don't even care about people in pain or pain patients, screw that!

 

[razorbites]

Doctors get paid by the pharmacutical(sp?) companies to write triplicate prescriptions, and a lot of doctors will turn a blind eye to the addict in order to gain more coin. I suggest your "relative" go to a pain clinic and see what they can do from there.

 

[misspharmacyashley]

In the UK it is impossible to get oxycontin/codone hydro for prescription. Iv read this site for a while and in the US you guys get these calibre painkillers for wisdom teeth removal, back pain, migraine etc.

not completely true. i haven't ever gotten a script for OCs (i have done them though) for my migraines, back pains and muscle pains or anything painful that i go to the clinic for. only a week dose of vicodin and/or tramadol. which is nothing, or "pitiful".. as you've stated::

she has got baclofen, tramadol and when reading your site you guys say tramadol is pitiful..

my theory is because your medical system is all based on insurance.

i wouldn't say it's completely based on insurance ONLY, because i don't have any kind of insurance to see my addiction specialist doctor to get my scripts (and she's expensive). but i wouldn't rule out the MONEY factor... because i'm not getting everything for free... although, i do get suboxone, neurontin, and wellbutrin for free with the state of texas' aid because i have very low income.

one of the top drug problems we have in our country is prescription drug abuse. because it's "legal" and it will "get you high".. i've noticed that it's becoming more aware throughout the people nowadays in the united states; hopefully someone out there is trying to stop it, or take it to a minimal, or taking down to the people who NEED it. (for example your relative.)

 

[Desdenova]

First of all, the whole "hillbilly heroin" thing is just scare tactics from people who don't know what they're talking about

Oxycodone is a very effective analgesic, and the time release version makes it well suited for round the clock pain. There are only so many medications that are a good fit for that role. MSContin, Duragesic, Opana ER are some of the other major contenders. It has a very well established efficacy

 

[newbie22]

I don't think money is the only reason, considering the weaker opiate companies (darvocets, tramadols) pay off doctors as well. I have had severe back problems and have only been allowed MS Contin, which is considerably weaker than oxycontin. It just depends on the patient, the UK maybe doesn't do it that way but that doesn't mean we are wrong for doing it. We just have different methods.

 

[tylerwashere]

where i live doctors give out oxycontin like its candy. pretty much all you have to do is get an MRI and go to a pain clinic. it's pretty ridiculous and i know alot of people (including myself) who have fallen into its grip of addicition. its so easy to get on the street that everyone does it. Doctor's know it's not really for pain, or atleast they know when the pain goes away and they keep prescribing it. its all about money really

 

[(AA10) - 10mg]

Just to clarify I know alot about painkillers and i know these news reporters have no idea about oxy etc.

Heres a sub - question: In the US do doctors concentrate on the cause as much as the pain itself (maybe because of money) because every pain in the body should be treated from the cause, even if it takes a long time but i read about been on pain medds for decades on this site.

PS i know some conditions are untreatable.

 

[Desdenova]

In my experience, yes

I went through about 2 years of doctors trying to diagnose me, refusing to treat the pain until a diagnoses could be met

It wasn't until I was given a potential diagnosis (untreatable, not confirmed but a couple signs could point to it) that I was referred to a pain management clinic

 

[Cane2theLeft]

You are going to get a very skewed view of the situation both from US and international media as well as from basing your view on the subject off of bluelight.

In the US study after study shows that both GP's and specialists alike under-prescribe pain medication based on standards for pain management both in this country and internationally.

There ARE doctors who are essentially drug pushers and the people seeking THEM out are largely drug users. This is not the situation for the average chronic pain patient who often goes years under-treated searching for a diagnosis while they toil on propoxyphene, muscle relaxants, NSAIDs, etc,

If you balance reading bluelight, etc. with looking at advocacy sites for chronic pain patients or professional literature on the matter, you'll get a very different view of the situation.

I know people in UK and elsewhere who are on morphine, oxycodone, etc. for things like migraines and fibromyalgia. You can't judge an overall situation by a relative's experience, or yours, etc. and bluelight is definitely a very specific segment of the population.

5-6% of high school seniors have tried oxycodone so its far from universal although prescription drug use has gone up in recent years. You have to separate the large abuse market and the legitimate pain patients... these paths do collide at times but most of the people prescribed pain medication are not addicts and many of them are even under-treated.

The people abusing pain killers sometimes malinger or feign illness to get the medication, but the majority get it from relatives or drug dealers and if they do use doctors, they probably bounce around to many and have been kicked out before. Very, very few doctors will see a patient once who says "ow" and give them 180 roxicodone 30's a month... there ARE doctors like that but they don't represent the majority of physicians at all.

The media has hyped up hillbilly heroin but the situation of oxycontin and prescription painkillers in the US is really quite complex. Drug users will give you one picture, relatives who had conditions but overuse will give you one pictures, pain patients like myself will give you one picture, and there are many pictures. The only way to really see the whole situation is to try to look at all of the pictures. The situation can't be simplified into broad statements as many try to do.

 

[dankstersauce]

I don't think these drugs are handed out as much as you think. Of the 5 or so times I actually needed pain relief, I only got hydrocodone (5/500) once. And after my dad suddenly died I couldn't even get a doctor to script me a single benzo and I was f'n hysterical.

They don't hand out controlled substances much at all, especially considering the recent opiate-phobia that has swept the country the past 5 years. Most doctors act like giving you a hydro script is giving you a heroin script...some even say shit like "this is the strongest stuff available" when dispensing hydro....or call it the "heavy duty stuff". Even when I actually needed a legit prescription for a controlled substance I found it nearly impossible.

If you're under a certain age (I'd guess 30-40 years old) and don't have extensive tests done proving you actually need the script, you can forget it. this is all in my experience, there are a few lucky/unlucky people who can get scripted whatever they want but IME it's not easy at all.

edit: and i doubt many doctors would risk their license, their reputation and face jail time for some extra "coin". I'm sure some doctors do turn a blind eye but they are the exception not the rule. It only takes one doctor out of a thousand for all these stories to circulate. These people went to school for 8+ years, and their entire future, their family, their everything relies on them being able to legally practice medicine. I don't think too many doctors would want to throw everything away for a few extra pharmaceutical bucks when they could just as easily push SSRI's, muscle relaxers, antibiotics and other relatively harmless medicine and make just as much pharmaceutical money without the risk of pushing narcotics/losing their license. unless of course it's all a giant conspiracy...which it isn't.

 

[Opiate 420]

Well also before/when Oxycontin was released there was also a "Pain Movement" that took place. Basically pain was one of those things that I forget the actual statistics but it was one of the most under treated problems in the US, basically there was millions of people in pain everyday of their life and they had no solution because doctors were so against treating it with narcotics, this was known as "opiophobia". This Pain Movement basically informed doctors and physicians how millions of Americans are suffering from lack of treatment. It also proved that narcotics and analgesics are a very effective way of treating this pain, although addiction is at risk, it can give millions of people their life back. PAIN is frequently described as the most commonplace of medical complaints. Before, narcotics were mainly used in treating cancer patients. This pain movement brought to peoples attention that people with chronic, nonmaligment pain, should also be treated with narcotics. Those who suffer from serious pain unrelated to cancer make up the vast majority, as many as 80% of those is constant pain. Once THE WAR AGAINST PAIN was clear then they started to get into the options of what narcotics should be used to treat this pain. Well since Purdue was basically the leader in bringing the "Pain Movement" to peoples attention, what better narcotic than their new product? So Oxycontin was the first narcotic that would be used to treat not just cancer induced pain but also chronic, nonmaligment pain. So it could be prescribed for back pain, arthritis, sickle-cell anemia, and a host of other conditions (the list goes ooon).

This is just a summary of how America became more open to treating nonmaligment pain with Narcotics

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Drugs should be legalized because people will still get high - and the people who suffer due to the war on drugs are typically pain patients whose doctors are weary of prescribing higher potency opiates.

This disgusts me, and I don't see why drugs haven't been legalized yet. Not one reason.

 

[newbie22]

drugs should be legalized because people will still get high - and the people who suffer due to the war on drugs are typically pain patients whose doctors are weary of prescribing higher potency opiates.

This disgusts me, and i don't see why drugs haven't been legalized yet. Not one reason.

oft.

 

[Jabberwocky]

this is a regional discussion so im gonna send it over to Americian DD

 

[tripkeeper]

In my city you honestly don't see alot of perscription pain meds and when you do there very cheap..this is mostly due to the booming heroin trade here. I agree with most of the others it comes down to money..since the UK and places like that provide free health care to there citizens they don't want to shell out anymore money than they have to...since you pay for it yourself here they will give you whatever you want..as long as you have the cash... I did read yesterday where they have a movement in some legislature to get rid of vics and percs due to the large amount of problems APAP causes people..I honestly don't think it is needed as much as it is given in the US but it is needed on a larger scale than most places

 

[Irie Media]

Where I live if you have the money, you can get a script of 120 80mg brand name oxycontin.. They do give it to patients who really need it.. I know a girl that has a lump in her breasts, that is NOT cancer and she plays it off like it hurts and get a monthly script of 40mg oxycontins..

I think patients who need it should be able to use whatever medication makes them feel comfortable, weather it be oc, D's, or morphine.

 

[sdripper]

In the UK it is impossible to get oxycontin/codone hydro for prescription. Iv read this site for a while and in the US you guys get these calibre painkillers for wisdom teeth removal, back pain, migraine etc. I have a relative that suffers imensely from back and migrane pain and the hardest painkiller she's got in codeine 30/500. Due to moaning alot she has got baclofen, tramadol and when reading your site you guys say tramadol is pitiful. No doubt if they were in US they would have OXY by now.

My question is WHY on earth in your country do your doctors hand it out so easily. Maybe other countries do too, my theory is because your medical system is all based on insurance. I read in the paper today and it generally said "michael jacson had oxycontin in his house....these are often named 'hillbilly heroin' and are only given out to the terminally ill". But almost all teenagers have tried this. IT intrests me imenslly, as i stated i know someone who go's doctors alot for many reasons, slip discs, migranes etc and doesnt get what most 16 years olds have tried.

In most cases her pain goes away without them too, THATS ANOTHER ARGUMENT!

WHY AND IN RELATION TO IS OXY NEEDED IN 90% OF CASES?

I was thinking about it once and my mind just came up with OxyContin being our answer to foreign Heroin.

What I mean is, I pictured our drug companies and government all angry over how much money gets shipped out of the country to Heroin suppliers, and so they said, fuck it, lets make the highest powered, most abusable form(OxyContin is in freebase form, i think) of prescription painkiller we can and replace Heroin.

Kinda sounds like a cool theory right?

oh and it costs like..almost $1000 for a bottle of like 120 80mg OxyContin, if you don't have insurance. So this kinda backs up my theory

I don't know if I'm right, but I mean comon. It is soo true what you say, Oxy requires a TRiplicate prescription from a doctor, and you also are supposedly supposed to be a long term user of lesser painkillers before you qualify for it, yet it is EVERYWHERE.

But no matter what is the truth about it, one thing is for certain.

It is supposed to be flooding the streets like it is, or else it wouldn't be.
Someone wants it to be abused, and so it is.

 

[skepticide]

Yeah, good theory and all. Just one thing.

OxyContin is oxycodone hydrochloride - just like every other oxycodone preparation I'm aware of in the U.S.

Someone wants it to be abused all right - Big Pharma. Purdue in this case.

 

[sdripper]

Yeah, good theory and all. Just one thing.

OxyContin is oxycodone hydrochloride - just like every other oxycodone preparation I'm aware of in the U.S.

Someone wants it to be abused all right - Big Pharma. Purdue in this case.

Well ya but.. I mean it's pure..usually you get percocet, not percodan. And it comes in tiny tiny little pills filled with 80mg of the stuff.
Anyway most anytime i've seen people use it they usually are smoking it, so i figured that meant it is freebase.. haha i dont know