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Hi.
I'm biking enough that I'm a bit sore every morning.
Is this bad?
I'm doing this for fun (and cardio health, I guess)...not really trying to sculpt my body into anything...

ebola
 
if your just a little sore in the morning its pretty much normal. I suggest you make sure your eating right..enough protien, carbs, water and vitamins plus make sure you're getting enough rest.
 
how long do you ride for? And when did you start?

I used to ride for hours and hours, it always gave me time to think, plus it got me in shape ;) Biking is a really fun thing to do, expecially with other people.
 
I'm in the same situation, biking ~100km per week for the past 3 months. 4-5 rides per week, over 1-2 hours per ride. (Often I ride to the gym, lift weights, and ride home = ~ 28km).

My legs have been permenantly sore for these 3 months. They never hurt, but I can DEFINTILTY "feel it" when walking up stairs or doing squats, etc. They are constantly "achey" and rarely feel "fresh", except when i've had a day or two break.

I do NOT use clipless pedals, just platforms, so only working the 1 muscle group (quads?). My bike is a cross country MTB with slick rubbers, at ~ 14kgs.

I do not warm up when cycling and always ride fast, keeping my heartrate ~140-160. I stretch approx 15 seconds per stretch after cycling, and I do groin, touch my toes, and pull my legs back to my bum, one at a time, standing up I also stretch the calve muscles (which are rarely sore - but getting massive)

I am 73kg, 23 y/o, male, been a smoker for 5 years but quit 6 weeks ago, and my only exercise is this cycling and 3 weight sessions per week.

The only health concerns I've had have been sore throat (once requring anti-bacterials, it was very inflamed, and pussy) and this is now coming back. I smoke maybe 1-2 joints per week and enjoy ~ 10 drinks per week. I don't drink during the week but binge on the weekends. (party lifestyle)

Anyone have any comments or advice? Cheers! :)
 
CrazyAustralian said:
I'm in the same situation, biking ~100km per week for the past 3 months. 4-5 rides per week, over 1-2 hours per ride. (Often I ride to the gym, lift weights, and ride home = ~ 28km).

My legs have been permenantly sore for these 3 months. They never hurt, but I can DEFINTILTY "feel it" when walking up stairs or doing squats, etc. They are constantly "achey" and rarely feel "fresh", except when i've had a day or two break.

Anyone have any comments or advice? Cheers! :)

It is counter productive to do so much cardio before and after your lifting. Cardio beforehand will reduce how much you can lift. Afterwords you should be taking in protein and carbs, and resting so your muscles can rebuild.

Also if your legs are constantly weakened by all your riding, it seems unlikely you will ever make much strength progress. Your endurance will be sky high, but you will won't be actually building muscle or strength.
 
I'm a bit sore every morning.

Sore where? Muscles? Tendons? Joints? Or just general aches? Is it something consistent or is it sporadic.

I biked 100-150 miles or more per week for years, say aged 35-42, and didn't really have any problems. Sometimes I'd be sore in one place or another afterwords or the next day but nothing consistent. Alot of times it would just be my back or shoulders getting sore from the long hours in the bicycle posture. But if you have something consistent in the same place every day you should probably try to find out what it is.
 
For the past 4-5 years my bike has pretty much been my only mode of transportation. I ride between 15 and 30 miles every day on average, and up to 50 or 60 just to get around town/into the foothills.

I did not get sore muscles until I had been doing this for a few months. After another month or so the soreness went away. My muscles still get fatigued after biking all day, but recover relatively quickly if I stretch regularly.
 
Cardio before lifting is pointless for bodybuilding as has already been said.

If its just your calves and legs then I wouldnt worry. If your body doesnt want you to ride because your muscles are fatigued then you'll know it. Ask any bber whos tried to walk a few flights of stairs after a leg day. You look like an 80 year old hanging on to the banister for dear life in case your legs give out.

160bpm is a hell of a heartbeat though especially if you do this shit often. Idk maybe watch your cholesterol or keep it to 130-140. Whats your resting rate? It should be decreasing as you do more cardio. IDK that much about cycle work or PT for cardio stuff. Any PT's in the house care to elaborate on optimum working/exercising heart-beat rates?
 
>>how long do you ride for? And when did you start?>>

ah...usually just the hour/day...sometimes 2. I've been riding about for like 3 years...now ramping it up in the summer from my previous modest bike-commute (since the weather's nice).

>>Sore where? Muscles? Tendons? Joints? Or just general aches? Is it something consistent or is it sporadic.>>

consistently in the muscles. sporadically in the joints (moreso from ultimate frisbee).

>>160bpm is a hell of a heartbeat though especially if you do this shit often. Idk maybe watch your cholesterol or keep it to 130-140. Whats your resting rate? It should be decreasing as you do more cardio. >>

This is pretty clearly meant for the other dood...but I'm pretty damn sure I hit this going up hills. I thought ~160 was ideal for cardio endurance training...my resting is ~60.

ebola
 
Well thats a fantastic resting rate. Like I said I dont know much about cardio. Im a lazy mofo!
 
p-mo said:
Ask any bber whos tried to walk a few flights of stairs after a leg day. You look like an 80 year old hanging on to the banister for dear life in case your legs give out.


=D Even after about 4 years of lifting and working out....this is still the one thing that makes me laugh my ass off to see. =D
 
i would personaly let some rest in just because having constantly sore legs will hinder your progress(since they never can fully recover). Ofcourse it also might be due to lack of stretching and they may just be a bit tight. Since i'm into bodybuilding i would also say add some weight training but...
For CrazyAust.. if your trying to build muscle i would cut down on that cardio, if you ride to the gym thats fine but dont make it into a work out(take your time). Also when you change your excersise routine you must change your diet. Thats the main reason i've been lifting forever and i'm still small.
 
Overtraining normally comes with these warning signs (from Signs of Overtraining):

1. Decreased performance

Slower reaction times, reduced speeds and lowered endurance levels are all common signs of overtraining.

2. Agitation, moodiness, irritability or lack of concentration

Too much exercise and too little rest can wreak havoc on the hormones, cause mood swings and create an inability to concentrate.

3. Excessive fatigue and malaise

A body that never has a chance to fully recover from a previous workout will continue to feel more and more fatigued. Some people describe this feeling as “heavy legs.”

4. Increased perceived effort during normal workouts

Overtraining takes a toll on the body, and workouts that were once a breeze can begin to feel like a grind.

5. Chronic or nagging muscle aches or joint pain

Overused muscles and joints can cause constant aches, which may go unnoticed until the body is given proper rest.

6. More frequent illnesses and upper-respiratory infections

Too much exercise taxes all of the body's systems and makes it more difficult to ward off infections.

7. Insomnia or restless sleep

During sleep the body has time to rest and repair itself. An overtrained body, however, is sometimes unable to slow down and completely relax, making it difficult to recover between workouts.

8. Loss of appetite

Overtraining can cause an increase in hormones such as epinephrine and norepinephrine that tend to inhibit appetite. The physical exhaustion and anxiety that often comes with overtraining can also have the same effect.

9. Chronically elevated heart rate at rest and during exercise

A clear sign of an overworked heart muscle is a chronically elevated heart rate. Also, people who overtrain will often find that it takes longer for their heart rate to return to normal after a workout.

10. Menstrual cycle disturbances in women

Exercising excessively and not consuming enough calories may disrupt a woman's menstrual cycle. While some may experience irregular periods, others will stop menstruating altogether.


Some other pointers that I personally have found:

- You don't recover fully within 24-48 hours from muscle soreness
- Generally lethargic / exhausted

A good rule of thumb: At the end of your workout/excercise you should be able to complete the exact same thing again if you were asked to. This is a good way to prevent overtraining but may not always apply I guess.
 
being sore isnt bad....being in a lot of pain isnt.

i think u should warm up and stretch the sore muscles for 20 seconds each.

another thing that helps is drinking alot of water.

i dont remember the amount u should be drinking but....

i believe its about 40 oz u should be getting into your system.

the reason you feel sore is because when youre active, the muscles break the ATP bonds that give you energy. and once you finish working out, uric acid is left in your muscles, which is what is causing you to feel sore.

when i used to work out i would drink alot of water, stretch, and get a good amount of rest. after 3 days of that combo i wouldn't feel sore anymore. so u should try it out it helps a lot =D
 
Originally posted by ebola!
Hi.
I'm biking enough that I'm a bit sore every morning.
Is this bad?
I'm doing this for fun (and cardio health, I guess)...not really trying to sculpt my body into anything...

ebola

You shouldn't be to sore all of the time. Make sure that your getting enough rest between workouts and take at least one day a week off to let your body fully recover. Rest days are so important!

Also maybe include a recovery ride after a hard day on the bike. If your thrashing yourself everyday your body won't get time to recover properly and your level of fitness won't increase as well as if your were including recovery rides and rest days.

One other thing is that you should be 'fitted' for your bike. The incorrect bike setup can lead to sore muscles which shouldn't get sore.

As for overtraining you can tell if you feel a bit crappy and sluggish - though this can also be a result from not eating well enough. The best way to monitor overtraining is to keep a log of your resting heart rate. Measure it each morning when you wake up, a spike in your RHR is a good sign of overtraining.
 
CrazyAustralian said:

Anyone have any comments or advice? Cheers! :)

Get clipless pedals!!! You will go so much faster and harder and be working out more muscles in your legs!

Also do you know what you max heart rate is? You really need to know this to know how effective your training is based on heart rate. For someone who has a high heart rate 150bpm would probably me quite a low intensity where as someone with a low max heart rate 150bmp would be a moderate intensity.

As mentioned in my previous post just make sure you getting recovery and rest days for your body to repair.
 
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