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What do you guys run alongside with your osta for support? I don't mean like other sarms like s4 or gw

Ive never done a cycle and I figure this would be a good intro, I've spent a while reading and settled on wanting to try it solo, I'm not looking for huge gains, just a boost to see whatsup during my winter bulk. I'm sitting on enough for an 8 week cycle @ 25mg a day.

Now, reading over at EF everyone there seems to reccomend you take a slew of mrsupps/ntbm products, and its funny, but those reccomendations change every time a new product comes out. that dylan magelli dude seems like a turd, but none the less, I am slightly worried about some shutdown effect. I know some people have not bothered to take anything, and others have experienced a shutdown and had to hop on some clomid..

I know a lot of people generally regard test boosters as total junk, but there is some data to support the substances in some of those designer supps actually helping out.

Basically my plan was to take the osta alone and then in the last week start one of those test boosters and run that out for the next 3-4 weeks. Dylan would have me running hcgenerate along cycle (aka 2 bottles aka like 300$) and then stacking two test boosters at the end for another two hundred bucks or whatever for a total cycle cost of like $500 which seems retarded and I might as well just spend that money on some gear, but I really don't want to pin, and I know orals are useless without a test base, so theres that. Oh yeah and sarmssearch, gtfo, $450 for a 8 week osta cycle vs like $100 max anywhere else so we're looking closer to a grand for an osta cycle going by their reccomendations.. rofl

What you guys think in regards to this? Theres a lot of variation between boards so Im just interested to hear what you guys have to say, there is a LOT of blatant product pushing on all the other steroid boards if you know what I mean.. if its just going to be "forget about it its useless" don't bother posting please
 
Dylan im sure gets a nice kickback from those companies (preaching sarms1 stuff now which he does get a % of the purchase if someone uses his link). You dont need any of that shit they push on EF. Just your gear/sarm, ai if needed, and nolva+clomid.

Personally i view osta as very minorly suppressive. After 8 weeks id personally do 2-3 weeks of serms to ensure getting my nads running again. Lots of people on EF even recommend osta during pct at 12.5mg/day but please dont anyone do that. Getting rid of suppression while taking something suppressive is stupid.
 
I have run osta @ 25mg for 90 day runs, but I always run it with Testosterone ( I blast and Cruise) my advice would be run it with a low dose of test, other wise run it by its self save the money on all the test boosters and get real PCT Nolva and Clomid Osta will shut you down mate and the gains are not crazy, and depending on your body fat %, training and diet, you may not really be visible beyond say an uptick in recovery time and strength.

Now I know you dotn want to here it but add in GW @ 10mg and you have your self a decent lil mini cycle. Other wise the SARMs are strong enough to warrant real pct but not dramatic enough in their effects to really run by them selves and expect to get any serious results. What you will get will be super keepable however, they are great tools best used as a bridge between cycles or as an oral option to run the full length of a 12 week cycle. Just my 2 cents there chief, hope it helps. BTW keep in mind any and all gains are really dependent on diet and training. Fire back your training and diet and we may be able to help you a bit more mate.
~Cheers
 
Thanks for the responses

Yeah I'm sure he gets quite a decent kickback. The guy has tried it all, so I mean I respect him at least for putting his own ass on the line, and to be honest if the products he was pushing didn't work, I'm sure mrsupps and ntbm would be out of business. I just don't see the point stacking two designer test boosters on top of each other that do the same thing, kinda ridiculous no?

As for the on-cycle support and pct compounds you're talking about, I get the impression from all my reading that they're a little overkill. Please don't take this the wrong way but why would I take the same things as someone who would on a full out steroid cycle? I know from my reading that pushing past 8 weeks is when the real shutdown begins so I suppose they're a little more necessary then.

Anyway, I don't want to pin, I bruise like a bitch and the last time I had an IV at the hospital when I dislocated my shoulder the nurse missed and I had a hematoma bruise thing for like 3 weeks, not shitting you. I really don't know how my body would take to injecting an oil into the muscle and I don't want to go there frankly because I'm not ready at all..

Now for why I don't want to jump into steroids: I haven't been lifting long enough. I've been a skinny 'unable' to gain weight bastard all my life. I started lifting in feb at around 130lbs 8%bf, got up to about 165 at the end of august but my bf hit around 15%+, I toned down the cals and the lifting a bit and have cut back the bf down and am sitting at about 155 similar bf to where I began. I'm still making good gains on my own, I just wanted to see if I could gain a little boost, continue to eat big and not gain as much fat, see if there's any truth to its joint 'healing' properties. So as you can see, I'm still a pretty small dude, having a small bone structure doesn't help much, but I'm a damn sight bigger and strong than I was a year ago and still continuing to grow pretty damn well. I eat "clean" oats, brown rice, pasta (sometimes whole wheat), chicken, lean ground beef, fruits, veggies, whole milk, natty pb, whole wheat breads. sometimes I "cheat" and devour a double quarter pounder. overall I started eating about 3k cals a day and sometimes around the summer I stopped noticing the weight gain as much which I attributed to my overall weight gain and caloric needs going up. I upped to around 3.5k and continued to grow, but I dropped to 2.5-3k for the "cut" I did.. I just couldnt deal with the belly I was growing despite the gains everywhere else. I believe that at least for me, fat gain is essential to muscle gain, I mean its not out of control but I noticed once I started putting on some fat that the gains came easier in the form of getting stronger, recovery times decreasing etc. I've been doing the 'starting strength' routine all along and its still working for me and I'm a believer in "if it aint broke don't fix it" so I'm going to keep up with that and eventually move to a 5/3/1 or a more body building oriented routine.

So it probably sounds like I don't need to even bother, but on the contrary I get the impression that someone in a position like mine would see the biggest benefits from a compound like this.. I've read to expect 4-6lbs of keepable lbm in 8 weeks, but during the periods I've been full on bulking I've seen about that much gain naturally, probably less accounting for bf, to be honest I haven't been a huge stickler for the details, I've felt them unnecessary and to just make life miserable, I aim for my macro targets, I lift, I sleep, I watch the scale and my strength go up, so its working, no need to go crazy. I mean, if this stuff helped cancer patients who werent even lifting make gains, and it makes gains, albeit minimal, in dudes who have been lifting and cycling for years, I really think I should see some decent progress.

As far as enobosarm I don't even know what one that is to be honest, I'm familiar with osta, s4, lgd4033, mk677, gw501516 but not that one. As far as stacking GW, I read that the whole clinical studies on that was cancelled due to cancerous tumours cropping up and to be honest with you, that just keeps me away, plus what its known for, endurance, isn't really something I'm much concerned with and I don't want to go crazy. (edit:: I derped, I hadnt heard ostarine called enobosarm before, guess now I know, LOL)

Anyway, I don't even know where I'd find clomid or nolva or any of that stuff, nevermind steroids.

What I had considered doing was this
1-8 25mg osta
6-12 forma stanzol, this is one of those EF pushes, but they don't really recommend it for sarms saying its overkill. I myself had worried about some shutdown, and this has been shown to be a decent ai and it also boosts your hpta as well as a few other things. I figured it would be good to use as an overlapping pct, and maybe I'd see a boost from its supposed anabolic properties. A number of people swear by it.
8-12 one of their test boosters, something like test infusion

Overall cost is $120 + whatever I paid for the osta that I now forget.. doesn't seem to crazy to me. What are normal costs for clomid/nolva?

Feel free to shoot down whatever you please, I'm here to learn and get a better overall picture. I know this post was a bit of a doozie..

Thanks :)
 
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In Australia, a new entry class of “selective androgen receptor modulators” is to be created in S4 (prescription medicine) of the Australian SUSMP. Ostarine is also to be specifically scheduled in S4 under the name of enobosarm.

www.medsafe.govt.nz/consultations/MCC-Submission-PIEDs.doc

A quick search on forma stanzol came up Lentaron (Formestane)

Formestane has poor oral bioavailability, therefore intramuscular administration is advised... IMO its an out of date aromatase inhibitor, there are better alternatives.. If you needed one..


Formestane. A review of its pharmacological properties and clinical efficacy in the treatment of postmenopausal breast cancer
.
Wiseman LR, Goa KL.
Source
Adis International Limited, Auckland, New Zealand.
Abstract
Formestane (4-hydroxyandrostenedione) is an aromatase inhibitor which significantly reduces plasma levels of estrogen and has shown antitumour activity in postmenopausal women with breast cancer. Objective response rates in heavily pretreated patients with advanced breast cancer generally range between 20 and 30% during treatment with intramuscular formestone 250 or 500mg once every 2 weeks, and a further 20 to 30% of patients experience disease stabilisation. The median duration of response is between 8 and 14 months. Highest response rates are observed in soft tissue metastases, in patients with estrogen-responsive tumours and in those showing a response to previous endocrine therapy. Furthermore, there is some evidence to suggest that higher response rates are achieved with formestane 500 versus 250mg once every 2 weeks. In comparative studies, the clinical efficacy of intramuscular formestane 250mg did not differ significantly from that of oral megestrol when administered as second-line endocrine therapy to patients with advanced disease in whom previous tamoxifen therapy had failed. In addition, formestane produced a response rate, duration of response and overall survival rate that was not significantly different from that of oral tamoxifen when administered as first-line endocrine therapy to patients with advanced disease, but tamoxifen was superior in some measures. Further investigation of these 2 agents, including the higher dosage of formestane (500mg), is necessary to confirm their relative efficacies. Formestane is well tolerated by the majority of patients; adverse events rarely necessitate cessation of therapy. The most common adverse events are local reactions at the injection site and systemic events usually related to the effect of the drug on the hormonal milieu. The systemic tolerability of formestane is similar to that of tamoxifen but better than that of megestrol. Thus, formestane is effective and well tolerated as first-line endocrine therapy for advanced disease. However, at present, it is unlikely to challenge tamoxifen in this indication, based on recent findings from a large comparative study and the fact that formestane requires intramuscular administration. Nonetheless, formestane, which appears to have a better tolerability profile than other currently available second-line agents (including megestrol and the aromatase inhibitor aminoglutethimide), is a valuable drug for the second-line treatment of postmenopausal women with advanced breast cancer.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8894526

Test Infusion, the Formula:....... Apart from zinc I don't think anything else has been shown to be effective.... Eat more seafood...!!! (although I think the jury might be still out on DAA)....

B6 (Pyridoxine) - speeds up chemical reactions that occur in the cells of the body. This makes processes run more efficiently so that energy is produced while using the least amount of resources possible. B6 also assists in the production of B3, so it is a necessary vitamin for managing cholesterol levels. It helps bone marrow manufacture healthy red blood cells. B6 also boosts the immune system and makes it function more efficiently. Other health benefits of B6 include improved metabolism, hormone control, skin conditions, cardiac function, and kidney function.

B5 (Pantothenic Acid) - helps the body convert carbohydrates into fuel (glucose) which in turn is used to produce energy. This vitamin also plays an important role in the production of red blood cells, as well as sex and stress-related hormones produced in the adrenal glands. B5 is important in maintaining a healthy digestive track.

Calcium - strengthens bones and ensures the shape of the body part. Calcium also helps in maintaining optimum body weight in males and females. Sufficient amounts of calcium can help cardiac muscle to contract and relax properly. High calcium intake may help to significantly reduce the risk of developing kidney stones. It may also be helpful in maintaining healthy teeth and gums.

Zinc (as Gluconate Dihydrate) - has been shown to increase testosterone production, as well as increase male fertility, sperm motility, and overall sex drive. Zinc also plays a role in maintaining and improving prostate health. It may help prevent some forms of acne that are actually caused by a Zinc deficiency. It may improve immune system function, may encourage hair growth, and it may slow down or prevent balding. Zinc has also been found to improve the antioxidant capabilities of the liver. It helps produce thyroid-releasing hormones which are important to keep healthy testosterone levels. Zinc Gluconate consistently contains the lowest cadmium levels; this is important because cadmium exposure in high levels over a long period of time can lead to kidney failure. Always make sure products you take with Zinc are in Gluconate form.

D-Aspartic Acid Calcium Chelate - serves as a neurotransmitter in areas of the nervous system that specialize in hormone production. Studies have shown DAA to stimulate the release of LH and GH. They have also shown it to have a direct effect on the testes in testosterone production. A recent study showed that males supplementing with 3.12g of DAA for 12 days experienced, on average, a 40% increase in free testosterone. DAA Calcium Chelate is the most soluble form of DAA available. Other forms of DAA are not very soluble, making it very hard for your body to break down and gain the benefits from DAA.

Tribulus Alatus Extract – for a long time, it has been well known in the body building community for its natural androgen stimulation. Tribulus Alatus has had more recent studies showing its promise in increasing libido and increased serum testosterone levels. Tribulus Alatus is more effective than other forms of Tribulus because it contains six unique steroidal saponins that greatly increase testosterone production.

Tongkat Ali Root (Eurycoma Longifolia) - is recognized as an ergogenic aid that enhances the body’s adaptive response to exercise. Studies have shown that supplementation of Tongkat Ali with a weight training program caused an increase in lean body mass and a loss of fat tissue. Tongkat Ali is thought to achieve this effect by causing an increase in the body’s levels of testosterone. With increased testosterone levels, Tongkat Ali may also be beneficial as a libido-enhancer or general sexual aid.

Bulbine Natalensis - is yet another herb added to our formula that has amazing testosterone boosting effects. Bulbine Natalensis is one of the latest testosterone boosters, and while you may not have heard of it yet, you are sure to in the future, as the results it provides have proven to be very effective. Bulbine Natalensis has been shown to be effective as an estrogen reducer. Its ability to increase testosterone and reduce prolactin and estrogen makes it ideal for PCT.

Basella Alba - in recent studies has been shown to enhance testosterone production in the testes and produce testosterone in the presence of LH. This close relative of spinach has promising research on finally giving body builders the Popeye characteristics they have been dreaming about.

N-Acetyl-L-Cysteine (NAC) – is popular now for its role as an antidote to liver failure from acetaminophen overdose. It is a very powerful antioxidant that promotes rapid liver detoxification and has been shown to improve immune system function. These benefits make it an ideal ingredient in PCT.

Milk Thistle - has long been recognized as a powerful antioxidant that helps to detoxify and repair the liver. There are hundreds of studies confirming the ability of Milk Thistle to protect the liver. This is a must-have ingredient in PCT.

Hawthorne Berry - is another antioxidant that is especially useful to protect against heart disease and help control high blood pressure. In recent studies, Hawthorne Berry has been shown to increase coronary artery blood flow, improve circulation, and lower blood pressure.

Celery Seed Extract - studies have suggested that Celery Seed Extract may help lower blood pressure and cholesterol as well as protect the liver from damaging substances. It is an all-around good ingredient for PCT.

Grape Seed Extract - is a powerful antioxidant used to treat a wide range of health problems and free radical damage including heart disease. Additionally, the antioxidants in Grape Seed Extract have a protective effect on blood vessels which may help prevent high blood pressure.

Pygeum Africanum Bark - effectively helps in relieving symptoms associated with BPH or prostate swelling. Theoretically, Pygeum Africanum Bark may also help in improving sexual health in men.
 
^^ Thank you sir. Now I have some toilet reading when I get home from work. :D you just gave us info on like everything Dylan of EF ever pushed
 
hahahaha GF is the Anonymous of the Supplement World - spreading the truth about supplement shills and plots to make uninformed users purchase ingredients for expensive piss.
 
In Australia, a new entry class of “selective androgen receptor modulators” is to be created in S4 (prescription medicine) of the Australian SUSMP. Ostarine is also to be specifically scheduled in S4 under the name of enobosarm.

www.medsafe.govt.nz/consultations/MCC-Submission-PIEDs.doc

A quick search on forma stanzol came up Lentaron (Formestane)

Formestane has poor oral bioavailability, therefore intramuscular administration is advised... IMO its an out of date aromatase inhibitor, there are better alternatives.. If you needed one..


Formestane. A review of its pharmacological properties and clinical efficacy in the treatment of postmenopausal breast cancer
.
Wiseman LR, Goa KL.
Source
Adis International Limited, Auckland, New Zealand.
Abstract
Formestane (4-hydroxyandrostenedione) is an aromatase inhibitor which significantly reduces plasma levels of estrogen and has shown antitumour activity in postmenopausal women with breast cancer. Objective response rates in heavily pretreated patients with advanced breast cancer generally range between 20 and 30% during treatment with intramuscular formestone 250 or 500mg once every 2 weeks, and a further 20 to 30% of patients experience disease stabilisation. The median duration of response is between 8 and 14 months. Highest response rates are observed in soft tissue metastases, in patients with estrogen-responsive tumours and in those showing a response to previous endocrine therapy. Furthermore, there is some evidence to suggest that higher response rates are achieved with formestane 500 versus 250mg once every 2 weeks. In comparative studies, the clinical efficacy of intramuscular formestane 250mg did not differ significantly from that of oral megestrol when administered as second-line endocrine therapy to patients with advanced disease in whom previous tamoxifen therapy had failed. In addition, formestane produced a response rate, duration of response and overall survival rate that was not significantly different from that of oral tamoxifen when administered as first-line endocrine therapy to patients with advanced disease, but tamoxifen was superior in some measures. Further investigation of these 2 agents, including the higher dosage of formestane (500mg), is necessary to confirm their relative efficacies. Formestane is well tolerated by the majority of patients; adverse events rarely necessitate cessation of therapy. The most common adverse events are local reactions at the injection site and systemic events usually related to the effect of the drug on the hormonal milieu. The systemic tolerability of formestane is similar to that of tamoxifen but better than that of megestrol. Thus, formestane is effective and well tolerated as first-line endocrine therapy for advanced disease. However, at present, it is unlikely to challenge tamoxifen in this indication, based on recent findings from a large comparative study and the fact that formestane requires intramuscular administration. Nonetheless, formestane, which appears to have a better tolerability profile than other currently available second-line agents (including megestrol and the aromatase inhibitor aminoglutethimide), is a valuable drug for the second-line treatment of postmenopausal women with advanced breast cancer.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8894526

Test Infusion, the Formula:....... Apart from zinc I don't think anything else has been shown to be effective.... Eat more seafood...!!! (although I think the jury might be still out on DAA)....

B6 (Pyridoxine) - speeds up chemical reactions that occur in the cells of the body. This makes processes run more efficiently so that energy is produced while using the least amount of resources possible. B6 also assists in the production of B3, so it is a necessary vitamin for managing cholesterol levels. It helps bone marrow manufacture healthy red blood cells. B6 also boosts the immune system and makes it function more efficiently. Other health benefits of B6 include improved metabolism, hormone control, skin conditions, cardiac function, and kidney function.

B5 (Pantothenic Acid) - helps the body convert carbohydrates into fuel (glucose) which in turn is used to produce energy. This vitamin also plays an important role in the production of red blood cells, as well as sex and stress-related hormones produced in the adrenal glands. B5 is important in maintaining a healthy digestive track.

Calcium - strengthens bones and ensures the shape of the body part. Calcium also helps in maintaining optimum body weight in males and females. Sufficient amounts of calcium can help cardiac muscle to contract and relax properly. High calcium intake may help to significantly reduce the risk of developing kidney stones. It may also be helpful in maintaining healthy teeth and gums.

Zinc (as Gluconate Dihydrate) - has been shown to increase testosterone production, as well as increase male fertility, sperm motility, and overall sex drive. Zinc also plays a role in maintaining and improving prostate health. It may help prevent some forms of acne that are actually caused by a Zinc deficiency. It may improve immune system function, may encourage hair growth, and it may slow down or prevent balding. Zinc has also been found to improve the antioxidant capabilities of the liver. It helps produce thyroid-releasing hormones which are important to keep healthy testosterone levels. Zinc Gluconate consistently contains the lowest cadmium levels; this is important because cadmium exposure in high levels over a long period of time can lead to kidney failure. Always make sure products you take with Zinc are in Gluconate form.

D-Aspartic Acid Calcium Chelate - serves as a neurotransmitter in areas of the nervous system that specialize in hormone production. Studies have shown DAA to stimulate the release of LH and GH. They have also shown it to have a direct effect on the testes in testosterone production. A recent study showed that males supplementing with 3.12g of DAA for 12 days experienced, on average, a 40% increase in free testosterone. DAA Calcium Chelate is the most soluble form of DAA available. Other forms of DAA are not very soluble, making it very hard for your body to break down and gain the benefits from DAA.

Tribulus Alatus Extract – for a long time, it has been well known in the body building community for its natural androgen stimulation. Tribulus Alatus has had more recent studies showing its promise in increasing libido and increased serum testosterone levels. Tribulus Alatus is more effective than other forms of Tribulus because it contains six unique steroidal saponins that greatly increase testosterone production.

Tongkat Ali Root (Eurycoma Longifolia) - is recognized as an ergogenic aid that enhances the body’s adaptive response to exercise. Studies have shown that supplementation of Tongkat Ali with a weight training program caused an increase in lean body mass and a loss of fat tissue. Tongkat Ali is thought to achieve this effect by causing an increase in the body’s levels of testosterone. With increased testosterone levels, Tongkat Ali may also be beneficial as a libido-enhancer or general sexual aid.

Bulbine Natalensis - is yet another herb added to our formula that has amazing testosterone boosting effects. Bulbine Natalensis is one of the latest testosterone boosters, and while you may not have heard of it yet, you are sure to in the future, as the results it provides have proven to be very effective. Bulbine Natalensis has been shown to be effective as an estrogen reducer. Its ability to increase testosterone and reduce prolactin and estrogen makes it ideal for PCT.

Basella Alba - in recent studies has been shown to enhance testosterone production in the testes and produce testosterone in the presence of LH. This close relative of spinach has promising research on finally giving body builders the Popeye characteristics they have been dreaming about.

N-Acetyl-L-Cysteine (NAC) – is popular now for its role as an antidote to liver failure from acetaminophen overdose. It is a very powerful antioxidant that promotes rapid liver detoxification and has been shown to improve immune system function. These benefits make it an ideal ingredient in PCT.

Milk Thistle - has long been recognized as a powerful antioxidant that helps to detoxify and repair the liver. There are hundreds of studies confirming the ability of Milk Thistle to protect the liver. This is a must-have ingredient in PCT.

Hawthorne Berry - is another antioxidant that is especially useful to protect against heart disease and help control high blood pressure. In recent studies, Hawthorne Berry has been shown to increase coronary artery blood flow, improve circulation, and lower blood pressure.

Celery Seed Extract - studies have suggested that Celery Seed Extract may help lower blood pressure and cholesterol as well as protect the liver from damaging substances. It is an all-around good ingredient for PCT.

Grape Seed Extract - is a powerful antioxidant used to treat a wide range of health problems and free radical damage including heart disease. Additionally, the antioxidants in Grape Seed Extract have a protective effect on blood vessels which may help prevent high blood pressure.

Pygeum Africanum Bark - effectively helps in relieving symptoms associated with BPH or prostate swelling. Theoretically, Pygeum Africanum Bark may also help in improving sexual health in men.


Formestane is amazing injected. Not only is an active AI but it acts as a prohormone to 4-hydroxytestosterone which is also an AI with cortisol lowering properties and moderate anabolic and androgenic effects. They took the stuff off the market because breast cancer patients were putting on muscle and it was being diverted to the black market for bodybuilders. Wish I could get my hands on a few vials.... Fucking FDA and DEA raining on my parade.
 
What GF posted about test infusion is basically from the product page iirc.

As far as the forma stanzol, apparently the formulation they use skirts the ban on formestane since its being used in a topical product is a grey area (or so I've been lead to believe), and at the same time allows for absorption through the skin. The results from people using it speak for themselves, and its not just on EF so I know its not just a product push.

Test infusion isn't the best test booster they have out there, but others have had good luck with it.. now whether thats just placebo or not? I'm not sure.

Anyway, I'm interested to hear what you guys would run along with an 8week cycle of osta at 25mg a day? I'm sure I can find sources for nolva or clomid, but I have also read about how rough those can be on the systems of some people, especially if they're not really shut down all that badly. I'm assuming very low doses of both, as like I said, I know they're both used for full on roid cycles which do aromatize and do really shut you down. Just interested to see what numbers you're talking about so I can run some numbers.

I don't plan on doing anything until probably January and I've been reading on and off about the subject for months now so I've got a pretty decent picture already but I'd like to hear more
 
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