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PARooolller

PARooolller

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Before I get bashed, I'm aware of oral steroids, their pronounced hepatoxic sides, and their almost usefullness when run solely but:::

I've recently acquired a box of 30 10mg winstrol tabs from a friend and was wondering if I could receive any benefit to taking 10mg a day for 30 days of 20mg a day for 15?

Could I take it with Clenbuterol?

Will I need any Nolvedex or PCT?

I'm on strict probation so injectables are on the backburner for a while.
 
just wait until you can spike yourself with test before you run the winstrol. Its a cutting drug mainly, so unless you really need to cut (I've seen your pics I don't think you need a cut honestly that drastic) I wouldn't even run winstrol. Test by itself is an excellent cutting drug (if you dip below maintenance levels). You preserve a ton of lean mass and the fat just melts off.

I would just run a test prop cycle at 450-500mg for 12 weeks with 3x weekly HCG injections at 250IU (then PCT of nolva and aromasin). Its crazy how intensely good this is.

Remember 500mg of test prop is more than 500mg of test E since the esters weigh different amounts.

Some people will say no need to run HCG for test only but I think that you should run HCG for any steroid cycle where your testicles shrink (test certainly shrinks your nuts).
 
are you being tested for steroids? Most probation drug tests are NIDA 5 (marijuana, cocaine, amphetamines, benzos, opiates). You have the right to know exactly what you are being tested for so you should find out (tactfully though :)).
 
sunyata said:
just wait until you can spike yourself with test before you run the winstrol. Its a cutting drug mainly, so unless you really need to cut (I've seen your pics I don't think you need a cut honestly that drastic) I wouldn't even run winstrol.

I would just run a test prop cycle at 450-500mg for 12 weeks with 3x weekly HCG injections at 250IU (then PCT of nolva and aromasin). Its crazy how intensely good this is.

Remember 500mg of test prop is more than 500mg of test E since the esters weigh different amounts.

Some people will say no need to run HCG for test only but I think that you should run HCG for any steroid cycle where your testicles shrink (test certainly shrinks your nuts).
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problem is I want be able to pin myself for a while.........are you saying this wouldnt be effective at all?

Any experience with clen? if so, what dosages do you recommend
 
I don't have any experience with winstrol at all, let alone by itself. I'll let Victor speak to that (not sure if he's run it or not). Its usually used by guys to harden up gains and cut in the last few weeks of a testosterone cycle. Its not going to add much mass at all or do much by itself (especially at the dosages you're talking about).

I haven't run clen either, so I can't help with first personal advice. I've heard its some nasty shit though. Seriously though man whats up with all the interest in cutting drugs? Your BF is fine, you should just do a natural cut if you're really concerned with it. A month cutting and you would be straight I would think considering how little bf you have to cut really.

I would leave steroids alone until you could do a proper bulking cycle with test, personally.
 
sunyata said:
I don't have any experience with winstrol at all, let alone by itself. I'll let Victor speak to that (not sure if he's run it or not). Its usually used by guys to harden up gains and cut in the last few weeks of a testosterone cycle. Its not going to add much mass at all or do much by itself (especially at the dosages you're talking about).

I haven't run clen either, so I can't help with first personal advice. I've heard its some nasty shit though. Seriously though man whats up with all the interest in cutting drugs? Your BF is fine, you should just do a natural cut if you're really concerned with it. A month cutting and you would be straight I would think considering how little bf you have to cut really.

I would leave steroids alone until you could do a proper bulking cycle with test, personally.
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Agreed...I've been planning a test E only cycle for a long ass time now.....I don't believe i get tested for steroids but I know that they do some type of liver enzyme test to check for alcohol every once in a while....

I have a lot of body fat....especially on my love handle, obliques that is beginnign to bother me.....I have stretch marks covering them too which makes it worse....I just want to speed up the process...
 
I bet you wouldn't feel anything on 10mg's a day. Wait until you get more gear. Check out an eca stack if you want to cut, a lot of people I know will run clen for 2 weeks, then eca for 2 weeks, and keep alternating. Good luck
 
you should run prop when you run a test cycle, since test E bloats people more and I believe would be shittier for PCT (since it hangs around longer).

I don't believe testosterone will elevate liver values, but you might want to double check that...
 
I just thought of something for you what might be good is IGF. Running it by itself is pretty nice for fat loss. If you combine it with a real nice cutting diet then fat will melt off and you can maintain lean mass pretty well (it increases nutrient shuttling).

Another thing about winstrol is that it really dries you out, so you might run into joint problems like a lot of people complain about. Personally I wouldn't mess with winstrol unless I was competing in a bodybuilding competition (and I have absolutely no plans to do something like that ever).
 
sunyata said:
I don't have any experience with winstrol at all, let alone by itself. I'll let Victor speak to that (not sure if he's run it or not).
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Yes, I've used it on several occasions. I always run it for several weeks towards the back end of the cycle for the reasons sunyata explained. Winny does a real good job hardening you up, as does Masteron. Done right, with other AAS combined...winny will def help boast that six pack and obliques.

In my opinion, you should have a BF less than 12%. If you are higher than 12%, burn it naturally and proceed when you hit the single digits.

Clen. One of the best compounds to get rid of fat, IMHO. The use of clen results in down regulation of beta receptors, and therefore, it is should be used for only short periods of time. A clen cycle generally lasts 2 to 3 weeks with a break in between cycles (some switch it up with T3) lasting equal to or longer than the cycle itself. The cycle should start gradually, slowly increasing the Clen dosage and then tapering off gradually. The average dose of clen is 60 to 120 mcg/day. Your best course of action is to start slow, gauge the effects it has on your body, see how well your body handles it, and then slowly increase the dosage accordingly.

/V
 
Yeah thats way too little Winstrol to be any use- you'd want 30-50mg/ED for 4 weeks.

Yes you will need PCT- Winstrol will shut you down hard.

liver enzyme test to check for alcohol every once in a while....
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Winstrol will have nasty effects on Liver enzymes so might make em think your an alcoholic (jeez - does your probation not allow you to DRINK? Land of the free, huh?)

Are you worried about them finding track marks or will they search your home (and find syringes)?
 
p-mo said:
Yeah thats way too little Winstrol to be any use- you'd want 30-50mg/ED for 4 weeks.

Yes you will need PCT- Winstrol will shut you down hard.


Winstrol will have nasty effects on Liver enzymes so might make em think your an alcoholic (jeez - does your probation not allow you to DRINK? Land of the free, huh?)

Are you worried about them finding track marks or will they search your home (and find syringes)?
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I currently have a monitor on my ankle which detects alcohol....it's so sensitive that i can't even wear cologne......

They also do random liver enzyme tests to check for alcohol and I'm not sure if steroids would effect this...and yeah, I'm scared to have needles lying around...

Fuck the orals though...I'm going to do a 12 week cycle of Test Enanthate within the next 2 months and I'm just going to give all ym gear to my gf.
 
smart move bro

you'll be much better off with test than you would with winstrol I think.

when you gonna start? I'm gonna cycle in mid august again I think.
 
sunyata said:
smart move bro

you'll be much better off with test than you would with winstrol I think.

when you gonna start? I'm gonna cycle in mid august again I think.
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Just put in my order today so hopefully by the end of june...This will be my first cycle so I think that 250mg of Test will be more than sufficient....

Of course, I will be logging my progress in a new thread when everything is a go!
 
no bro not 250mg of test. Don't shut yourself down for only 250 a week. You want to shoot 250mg TWICE each week for 12 weeks. Running just 250mg a week would be foolish imo.

If you want to low ball it at least get some prop and run like 350mg a week (even that though you're not going to be satisfied with probably). Everybody recommends half gram a week for a reason...
 
sunyata said:
no bro not 250mg of test. Don't shut yourself down for only 250 a week. You want to shoot 250mg TWICE each week for 12 weeks. Running just 250mg a week would be foolish imo.

If you want to low ball it at least get some prop and run like 350mg a week (even that though you're not going to be satisfied with probably). Everybody recommends half gram a week for a reason...
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After years of research, I've noticed that 250 2x a week is the preferred method but I've also found that those who ran 250/week were still satisfied...I've never injected hormones into my body before so I think I should cruise on 250mg of test before blasting through half a gram.....Although, I ordered 20 ml at 250/ml so I might pyramid after week 4 up to 500mg..
 
You'd likely need 50mg or more a day of winstrol to see an real gains. I bet it would be some high quality, dry gains, but there are better and less toxic ways to go about this...
 
PARooolller said:
After years of research, I've noticed that 250 2x a week is the preferred method but I've also found that those who ran 250/week were still satisfied...I've never injected hormones into my body before so I think I should cruise on 250mg of test before blasting through half a gram.....Although, I ordered 20 ml at 250/ml so I might pyramid after week 4 up to 500mg..
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well its up to you of course...your body. But, I don't think its worth the damage to your nuts just to cruise on 250mg of test. Thats close to the dosage doctors give people whose nuts aren't working at all. I'd rather go with 500 and a good PCT and make my gains and then stay off it for a year or whatever.

You have to consider you're going to be shutdown either way, 250 or 500 is going to shut you down no questions asked. But, the 500 dose you're going to get much more out of (probably about double the gains you'd see naturally or in other words about double the amount of calories you'd be able to bulk naturally with minimal fat gain).
 
Running without test is a horrible idea. You'll be shutdown without replacement test,so hello mr floppy. Trust me I've been there. It would be a nice addition to a test cycle though,as dosages as low as 0.2mg per kg lower SHBG significantly and thus would make the exogenous test bite that much harder. Also you'll be shredded as fuck.
 
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