Phenethylamines Optimal low 2cb dose and ROA for hedonism & redosing

[Quasimoto]

I have limited experience with 2CB, the last few times they were 25mg pills which I took orally. I've never experimented with dosing thresholds.

I have some powder and my goal right now is find the sweet spot for a night of hedonistic shenanigans.

I don't want visuals, a body load, a full trip or anything like that. All I want to do is chill out with some music, and at some point turn on some classic 70s porn and tickle my pickle for a bit. Basically, I just want to use it as a euphoric fun drug instead of a psychedelic. I want to mimic MDMA. I am specifically seeking pleasant stimulation, music appreciation, and penis appreciation.

I am thinking of boofing 4-8mg, or snorting 5-10mg

Do you think these are appropriate doses for my purposes? Is boofing better than snorting? (I don't care about the pain)

Also, regarding redosing, I know it doesn't produce tolerance linearly like classical psychedelics. Does this mean redosing is effective?

For example, if I boof 5mg but feel like I need a bit more and snort 2 or 3 more milligrams, would this be effective? Does it increase the effect or only the duration?

Namaste

edit: I am a mid 30s male, 185lb, 6'0" (if it matters)

 

[xdrc]

In my opinion, entactogen-like experiences are no guarantee with 2C-B. I wouldn't even necessarily agree that lower doses are more likely to introduce entactogen-like effects vs. psychedelic effects as many other people would say. Most of my most entactogen-ish trips were between 18 - 20 mg 2C-B HCl oral, but this is also when visuals begin to manifest themselves for me. They are induced by the right set/setting and music for me. I've had many introspective, non-entactogenish experiences with 12 - 15 mg oral. I'd say somewhere around 20 mg is my sweet spot for a nice trip with music appreciation, sometimes a bit of introspection and often leaning into an entactogen-like direction. But it can also get a bit psychedelically challenging at this dose. So if you try to avoid that, maybe try the rectal/nasal equivalent of 10 - 15 mg oral, say 6 - 10 mg. I never dosed 2C-B nasally, just rectal and oral. I think I like oral more, the only advantage rectal offers to me is saving some material, but this is of secondary concern to me.

If you are searching for an erotic time, don't just solely appreciate your penis. 2C-B is particularly great at amplifying all kinds of sensual aspects. Ideally, a partner to indulge in the fun would be optimal (be they sober or not), but that's not to say you can't have a great time by yourself. It may allow you to feel pleasure from regions you may not identify as erogenous when sober.

By the way, are you sure your pills really were 25 mg? Pills are often sold as such, but rarely do they ever test that high... reality is about half, I think, with pressies. Of course this is no guarantee.

 

[Esperighanto]

@xdrc Already pointed it out, but most pressies of 2C-B rarely exeed 12mg. 15mg is a lucky one, yet they're essentially all stamped at 25mg.

If you're ingesting pills, keep the binder in mind, it'll make insufflation and regular dosing way harder, Idk how many pills you have in your possession but grinding them up, homogenizing them, then trying a measured weight of that homogenized powder may be a good move. 2C-B is water soluble, so you may be able to just put the ground up mass in water and measure potency per mL (may end up being more like 10 mL, but good to start low) since 2C-B is totally redosable.

 

[reverse cosmosis]

I have limited experience with 2cb but the literal only effect I've ever had from it is visuals except one time I took 64mg then smoked a joint and served the machine god for an eternity. This probably won't happen to you it's a recurring thing when I trip. I had powder not pills.

Threshold dose for me was like fucking 50mg for some reason. More if taken orally

 

[Esperighanto]

I have limited experience with 2cb but the literal only effect I've ever had from it is visuals except one time I took 64mg then smoked a joint and served the machine god for an eternity. This probably won't happen to you it's a recurring thing when I trip. I had powder not pills.

Threshold dose for me was like fucking 50mg for some reason. More if taken orally

Did you ever test the powder or clean it up yourself? May have been cut. Tolerance for everybody I've tested it on, including myself, is light stimulant effects noticed ~4-8mg, with tripping beginning around 18-20mg, tripping HEAVILY around 35mg, and passing out and recursively falling on and off of the karmic wheel with visions and shit ~65+.

 

[reverse cosmosis]

Did you ever test the powder or clean it up yourself? May have been cut. Tolerance for everybody I've tested it on, including myself, is light stimulant effects noticed ~4-8mg, with tripping beginning around 18-20mg, tripping HEAVILY around 35mg, and passing out and recursively falling on and off of the karmic wheel with visions and shit ~65+.

I reagent tested it and it came back positive.

I also saw other people use the stuff who responded to doses roughly as you described. I'm kinda like this with a lot of substances - shrooms, 2cb, diazepam, most opiates/oids, coke, speed. Only ones that really fuck me up off a tiny bit are weed and acid

Edited to add: I think I meant to include this info in my original reply but I just woke up from a nap and I'm kinda hungry

 

[Shinji Ikari]

I have limited experience with 2CB, the last few times they were 25mg pills which I took orally. I've never experimented with dosing thresholds.

I have some powder and my goal right now is find the sweet spot for a night of hedonistic shenanigans.

I don't want visuals, a body load, a full trip or anything like that. All I want to do is chill out with some music, and at some point turn on some classic 70s porn and tickle my pickle for a bit. Basically, I just want to use it as a euphoric fun drug instead of a psychedelic. I want to mimic MDMA. I am specifically seeking pleasant stimulation, music appreciation, and penis appreciation.

I am thinking of boofing 4-8mg, or snorting 5-10mg

Do you think these are appropriate doses for my purposes? Is boofing better than snorting? (I don't care about the pain)

It kicks in a little bit faster with snorting. Other than that there's hardly any difference between the two roas once you're up. Doses sound fine. Start on the lower range as redosing works well (read on). If snorting you can just bump 2mg at a time as needed. Nasal sprays are good for this kind of thing.

Also, regarding redosing, I know it doesn't produce tolerance linearly like classical psychedelics. Does this mean redosing is effective?

Redose once redose ten time in a day if you like.

For example, if I boof 5mg but feel like I need a bit more and snort 2 or 3 more milligrams, would this be effective? Does it increase the effect or only the duration?

Both. It'll mostly wear off by about three hours after your last dose. I've had 15 hours trips before redosing every few hours getting progressively higher as I go.

Namaste

 

[Quasimoto]

Great replies everyone, thank you.

I think I'm going to boof 5mg, then lay out several ~2mg bumps to snort along the way until I get to where I want to be

The fact that there aren't any diminishing returns on redosing sounds awesome.

 

[Esperighanto]

Both. It'll mostly wear off by about three hours after your last dose. I've had 15 hours trips before redosing every few hours getting progressively higher as I go.

I went a ~2-3 month period without every technically not being on 2C-B, as it was kind of our (@Felidaez and I) antidepressant to combat seasonal depression, which in Maine winters was super heinous. It's important to mention that I essentially never had to drive, work was typically remote and my fiance @Felidaez worked literally a one block walk aray. It also made me feel safer to always be hyper-alert and stimmed out due to the ghettoishness of the area that I was living in. Other drugs such as 3-MeO-PCP, 3-HO-PCP, ketamine, relatively insane amounts of cannabis concentrates, 2F-O-PCE/CanKet/2-FXE, MDA, MDMA, 6-APB, LSD, DOM, and miprocin were used often over this period, and 2C-B seems immune to the tolerances induced by other psychedelics maybe 80-90% of the way.

I learned a ton about the drug and gained so much familiarity with it over that period, for example we could pour out a half gram on the insufflation tray (a glass butter dish dedicated to sniffery) and just burn through it eventually eyeballing once we got good enough, and out of countless eyeballed ingestions I only overdid it once. I've written about it before I think, but to briefly summarize it, I vomited exactly once, curled up on my side on my living room shag carpet and absolutely fucking ruined the sushi date I was about to go on. Funnily enough, it was the second time I'd accidentally overdosed a psychedelic to the point of it knocking me out into a blacked out, hopping-on-and-off of the karmic wheel seeing visions of myself playing basement punk shows to like fifteen people, doing mundane shit like eating a peanut butter and avocado sandwich, vacuuming and doing other basic stuff, etc. It was like a phenethylamine-themed DMT breakthrough, nothing like that had ever happened before, but since then mescaline and allylescaline have both been pushed high enough on my end to induce similar (though different) experiences.

The other sushi date that got fucked up was when I drank that vial of acid that broke in shipment. I was just trying not to be wasteful, ended up being the only time a drug has landed me in the ER because an ileostomy appliance was falling off and I was way too fucked up to fix it, so the EMT helped. Few events in my entire life have ever changed me as a person in the way that "the vial incident" did. To this day I feel like an electrified skeleton caught within a meatsuit.

Redose once redose ten time in a day if you like.

When using my 2mg "nootropically dosed" nasal sprayer I've hit it probably fifty times in a day before, but the burn is a bit heinous. I found that low dosed liquid droppers were easier, a little bit of blue dye (avoid gel, go for powder), some flavoring, you can make delectable 2C-B liquid. It's truly one of the best drugs that I could possibly imagine.

It kicks in a little bit faster with snorting. Other than that there's hardly any difference between the two roas once you're up. Doses sound fine. Start on the lower range as redosing works well (read on). If snorting you can just bump 2mg at a time as needed. Nasal sprays are good for this kind of thing.

I've personally found that the dosage-to-RoA variance only applies in oral doses. Eating 65-80mg is a crazy high dose that will absolutely make you vomit at a Friendly's or after taking a fat rip off of a cigarette, but insufflating 65-70mg+ is what put me in that DMT-breakthrough-like state that I mentioned earlier.

 

[Quasimoto]

By the way, are you sure your pills really were 25 mg?

No, that's just what the dealer said, and drug dealers never lie

Those were the only pills I've done, so I can't guesstimate how much was actually in there, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was much less than 25mg.

If you are searching for an erotic time, don't just solely appreciate your penis. 2C-B is particularly great at amplifying all kinds of sensual aspects. Ideally, a partner to indulge in the fun would be optimal (be they sober or not), but that's not to say you can't have a great time by yourself. It may allow you to feel pleasure from regions you may not identify as erogenous when sober.

Very interesting.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

I went a ~2-3 month period without every technically not being on 2C-B, as it was kind of our (@Felidaez and I) antidepressant to combat seasonal depression, which in Maine winters was super heinous. It's important to mention that I essentially never had to drive, work was typically remote and my fiance @Felidaez worked literally a one block walk aray. It also made me feel safer to always be hyper-alert and stimmed out due to the ghettoishness of the area that I was living in. Other drugs such as 3-MeO-PCP, 3-HO-PCP, ketamine, relatively insane amounts of cannabis concentrates, 2F-O-PCE/CanKet/2-FXE, MDA, MDMA, 6-APB, LSD, DOM, and miprocin were used often over this period, and 2C-B seems immune to the tolerances induced by other psychedelics maybe 80-90% of the way.

I learned a ton about the drug and gained so much familiarity with it over that period, for example we could pour out a half gram on the insufflation tray (a glass butter dish dedicated to sniffery) and just burn through it eventually eyeballing once we got good enough, and out of countless eyeballed ingestions I only overdid it once. I've written about it before I think, but to briefly summarize it, I vomited exactly once, curled up on my side on my living room shag carpet and absolutely fucking ruined the sushi date I was about to go on. Funnily enough, it was the second time I'd accidentally overdosed a psychedelic to the point of it knocking me out into a blacked out, hopping-on-and-off of the karmic wheel seeing visions of myself playing basement punk shows to like fifteen people, doing mundane shit like eating a peanut butter and avocado sandwich, vacuuming and doing other basic stuff, etc. It was like a phenethylamine-themed DMT breakthrough, nothing like that had ever happened before, but since then mescaline and allylescaline have both been pushed high enough on my end to induce similar (though different) experiences.

The other sushi date that got fucked up was when I drank that vial of acid that broke in shipment. I was just trying not to be wasteful, ended up being the only time a drug has landed me in the ER because an ileostomy appliance was falling off and I was way too fucked up to fix it, so the EMT helped. Few events in my entire life have ever changed me as a person in the way that "the vial incident" did. To this day I feel like an electrified skeleton caught within a meatsuit.

When using my 2mg "nootropically dosed" nasal sprayer I've hit it probably fifty times in a day before, but the burn is a bit heinous. I found that low dosed liquid droppers were easier, a little bit of blue dye (avoid gel, go for powder), some flavoring, you can make delectable 2C-B liquid. It's truly one of the best drugs that I could possibly imagine.

I've personally found that the dosage-to-RoA variance only applies in oral doses. Eating 65-80mg is a crazy high dose that will absolutely make you vomit at a Friendly's or after taking a fat rip off of a cigarette, but insufflating 65-70mg+ is what put me in that DMT-breakthrough-like state that I mentioned earlier.

I haven't found that much depth in it personally, but it is my favourite drug after acid. I went through 10 grams of the stuff in my last year of university and think I have some permanent tolerance. I've never come close to DMT visuals I just seem to hit a ceiling. No karmic wheels observed, sadly.

The fact that there aren't any diminishing returns on redosing sounds awesome

It's pretty close to being the ultimate recreational drug, imo.

 

[Esperighanto]

It's pretty close to being the ultimate recreational drug, imo.

Yeah there's nothing quite like it. If I want it to have a deeper headspace, I just mix it with other psychedelics personally.

 

[someguyontheinternet]

I would probably start out with plugging like 4-6mg and feeling it out from there

 

[someguyontheinternet]

I went a ~2-3 month period without every technically not being on 2C-B, as it was kind of our (@Felidaez and I) antidepressant to combat seasonal depression, which in Maine winters was super heinous. It's important to mention that I essentially never had to drive, work was typically remote and my fiance @Felidaez worked literally a one block walk aray. It also made me feel safer to always be hyper-alert and stimmed out due to the ghettoishness of the area that I was living in. Other drugs such as 3-MeO-PCP, 3-HO-PCP, ketamine, relatively insane amounts of cannabis concentrates, 2F-O-PCE/CanKet/2-FXE, MDA, MDMA, 6-APB, LSD, DOM, and miprocin were used often over this period, and 2C-B seems immune to the tolerances induced by other psychedelics maybe 80-90% of the way.

I learned a ton about the drug and gained so much familiarity with it over that period, for example we could pour out a half gram on the insufflation tray (a glass butter dish dedicated to sniffery) and just burn through it eventually eyeballing once we got good enough, and out of countless eyeballed ingestions I only overdid it once. I've written about it before I think, but to briefly summarize it, I vomited exactly once, curled up on my side on my living room shag carpet and absolutely fucking ruined the sushi date I was about to go on. Funnily enough, it was the second time I'd accidentally overdosed a psychedelic to the point of it knocking me out into a blacked out, hopping-on-and-off of the karmic wheel seeing visions of myself playing basement punk shows to like fifteen people, doing mundane shit like eating a peanut butter and avocado sandwich, vacuuming and doing other basic stuff, etc. It was like a phenethylamine-themed DMT breakthrough, nothing like that had ever happened before, but since then mescaline and allylescaline have both been pushed high enough on my end to induce similar (though different) experiences.

The other sushi date that got fucked up was when I drank that vial of acid that broke in shipment. I was just trying not to be wasteful, ended up being the only time a drug has landed me in the ER because an ileostomy appliance was falling off and I was way too fucked up to fix it, so the EMT helped. Few events in my entire life have ever changed me as a person in the way that "the vial incident" did. To this day I feel like an electrified skeleton caught within a meatsuit.

When using my 2mg "nootropically dosed" nasal sprayer I've hit it probably fifty times in a day before, but the burn is a bit heinous. I found that low dosed liquid droppers were easier, a little bit of blue dye (avoid gel, go for powder), some flavoring, you can make delectable 2C-B liquid. It's truly one of the best drugs that I could possibly imagine.

I've personally found that the dosage-to-RoA variance only applies in oral doses. Eating 65-80mg is a crazy high dose that will absolutely make you vomit at a Friendly's or after taking a fat rip off of a cigarette, but insufflating 65-70mg+ is what put me in that DMT-breakthrough-like state that I mentioned earlier.

Out of curiosity, are you able to do rectal administration with an ileostomy? What about administration into the stoma?

 

[Felidaez]

I went a ~2-3 month period without every technically not being on 2C-B, as it was kind of our (@Felidaez and I) antidepressant to combat seasonal depression, which in Maine winters was super heinous. It's important to mention that I essentially never had to drive, work was typically remote and my fiance @Felidaez worked literally a one block walk aray. It also made me feel safer to always be hyper-alert and stimmed out due to the ghettoishness of the area that I was living in. Other drugs such as 3-MeO-PCP, 3-HO-PCP, ketamine, relatively insane amounts of cannabis concentrates, 2F-O-PCE/CanKet/2-FXE, MDA, MDMA, 6-APB, LSD, DOM, and miprocin were used often over this period, and 2C-B seems immune to the tolerances induced by other psychedelics maybe 80-90% of the way.

I learned a ton about the drug and gained so much familiarity with it over that period, for example we could pour out a half gram on the insufflation tray (a glass butter dish dedicated to sniffery) and just burn through it eventually eyeballing once we got good enough, and out of countless eyeballed ingestions I only overdid it once. I've written about it before I think, but to briefly summarize it, I vomited exactly once, curled up on my side on my living room shag carpet and absolutely fucking ruined the sushi date I was about to go on. Funnily enough, it was the second time I'd accidentally overdosed a psychedelic to the point of it knocking me out into a blacked out, hopping-on-and-off of the karmic wheel seeing visions of myself playing basement punk shows to like fifteen people, doing mundane shit like eating a peanut butter and avocado sandwich, vacuuming and doing other basic stuff, etc. It was like a phenethylamine-themed DMT breakthrough, nothing like that had ever happened before, but since then mescaline and allylescaline have both been pushed high enough on my end to induce similar (though different) experiences.

The other sushi date that got fucked up was when I drank that vial of acid that broke in shipment. I was just trying not to be wasteful, ended up being the only time a drug has landed me in the ER because an ileostomy appliance was falling off and I was way too fucked up to fix it, so the EMT helped. Few events in my entire life have ever changed me as a person in the way that "the vial incident" did. To this day I feel like an electrified skeleton caught within a meatsuit.

When using my 2mg "nootropically dosed" nasal sprayer I've hit it probably fifty times in a day before, but the burn is a bit heinous. I found that low dosed liquid droppers were easier, a little bit of blue dye (avoid gel, go for powder), some flavoring, you can make delectable 2C-B liquid. It's truly one of the best drugs that I could possibly imagine.

I've personally found that the dosage-to-RoA variance only applies in oral doses. Eating 65-80mg is a crazy high dose that will absolutely make you vomit at a Friendly's or after taking a fat rip off of a cigarette, but insufflating 65-70mg+ is what put me in that DMT-breakthrough-like state that I mentioned earlier.

During the vial incident @Esperighanto was asked what his name was by the EMTs and he replied "nowadays I go by Alexander Shulgin" lmaooo ALSO I see you with that reference to vomiting off 2cb at friendly's LMAO I have both vomited at friendly's and after friendly's, both times due to 2cb consumption. The time I vomited AT friendly's I puked so hard the toilet water splashed back in my face

 

[Esperighanto]

Out of curiosity, are you able to do rectal administration with an ileostomy? What about administration into the stoma?

Not really possible, absorption for most drugs requires a rectum and I literally only have ileus left.

 

[someguyontheinternet]

Not really possible, absorption for most drugs requires a rectum and I literally only have ileus left.

I have ulcerative colitis so a similar procedure has a possibility of being in my future, although I'm doing my absolute best to avoid that I've still wondered about it.

 

[Viraldrome]

I have limited experience with 2cb but the literal only effect I've ever had from it is visuals except one time I took 64mg then smoked a joint and served the machine god for an eternity. This probably won't happen to you it's a recurring thing when I trip. I had powder not pills.

Threshold dose for me was like fucking 50mg for some reason. More if taken orally

I've done 35 mg and 30 mg and both felt pretty mild more like MDMA than a psychedelic. While I haven tested it yet everything from this source tested pure and I would be very surprised if that was reason for mild effects. I follow local FTIR testing results and you never see cut 2-cb besides the pill binders in presses. I have to take huge amounts of mescaline too, I dont know why but its probably my body chemistry rather than weak drugs would be my guess. I am afraid to just take 50 mg, I'm slowly titrating the dose up over time, i would rather have some underwhelming experiences than take way too much and regret it. It feels pretty smooth but people say body load increases with dose. Im actually doing it this week and mixing with LSD its some kind of flip with a name i forgot Gnome flip of something

 

[Esperighanto]

I have ulcerative colitis so a similar procedure has a possibility of being in my future, although I'm doing my absolute best to avoid that I've still wondered about it.

If you ever have any questions don't hesitate to ask, I've had a bag since I was 4 and my memory goes back only to 13 years old, so further back than I can even recall.

 

[Esperighanto]

I've done 35 mg and 30 mg and both felt pretty mild more like MDMA than a psychedelic. While I haven tested it yet everything from this source tested pure and I would be very surprised if that was reason for mild effects. I follow local FTIR testing results and you never see cut 2-cb besides the pill binders in presses. I have to take huge amounts of mescaline too, I dont know why but its probably my body chemistry rather than weak drugs would be my guess. I am afraid to just take 50 mg, I'm slowly titrating the dose up over time, i would rather have some underwhelming experiences than take way too much and regret it. It feels pretty smooth but people say body load increases with dose. Im actually doing it this week and mixing with LSD its some kind of flip with a name i forgot Gnome flip of something

I feel like we should reserve gnome flips for amanitas and MDMA, though I've never tried it, it sure sounds fitting. Maybe that'd be a santa flip, and a gnome flip would be psilocybin containing fungi, amanitas and MDMA. Who knows, but the wya that language fluidicially evolves is fascinating nonetheless. Recently U've been wondering what a "retroflip" would be, since there was no psilocybin mushroom culture in the 60's maybe LSD, Mescaline and MDA?