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Opioids Opiates + sleep deprivation caused by them = weird sleep hallucinations/sleep paralysis?

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trevic

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I'm not sure if this belongs here or in basic drug discussion, if mods are able to move threads feel free.

Right, so this is an issue I've dealt with for a long time. I used to be a decently heavy heroin addict, smoked for months and then IV for about 2 yrs. Now I do oxy 1-2 times a week, not currently physically dependent.

Anyway, I find on opiates I stay up for a long time and so become sleep deprived. I feel tired but I don't even want to go to bed, I have to force myself. This was more intense on gear but I get the same thing when I do oxy, even when the high is gone. When I finally try to sleep I feel like I get into this half sleep state. I'm still aware of myself, that I'm lying bed, that I'm "sleeping". During this time I have horrific dreams/hallucination, the whole time aware of what they are and aware I'm in bed etc.

These hallucinations as I believe them to be are hard to remember fully after. As I'm trying to get to sleep and I'm part way into it I hear voices and weird noises, I have to put music on low just to try to focus on sleeping. I also have strange physical sensations during this early phase, weird feeligs and can feel like I'm flipping, spining, falling. Once I fully get into whatever state I'm in the dreams/hallucinations are things like my brother setting me on fire, my old dog who died mauling me, my father stabbing me to death. I also hear voices in this state, I think my family members and old friends. Through it all I have this deep unsettling sense of dread and horror, its like bone deep, I honestly feel traumatised when I wake up. In this state I'm still aware of myself and I'm desperatly trying to open my eyes but am unable to. When I try hard I feel like I can feel my body but I just can't get it to do what I want. I had two particular episodes of this on gear that were really bad, I can't remember fully but I remember feeling kind of traumatised for a while.

I've never known anyone to have this specific experience, I'm just wondering if anyone else does. I think part of it is sleep deprivation, I think I used to get a shadow of this in college when I'd regularly stay up 24hrs, but that's not really that long to stay up so I find it strange that I get this and opiates seem to magnify it massively.

Last time it happened I had been up for 24hrs and did some oxy. It was so awful, happened three times with me taking time recover before trying to go to sleep again. Ended up giving up on sleeping and doing pregabs which turned into a full day binge of that but I slept like a baby at the end of it despite being up for over 36hrs. I've done oxy three times this week (I know, I need to take a break from it), one of those days I decided to redose and did small doses cause I was afraid of OD but ended up doing twice my normal dose (normally about 30mg).

Should I do the oxy earlier in the day? I just hate going the rest of the day when the high wears off and for some reason I feel super foggy headed when it does. Maybe only do the oxy when I've had good sleep? I think the last time I only slept about 4hrs after doing 10ml of GBL the night before. I dunno, it makes me scared to do it honestly but I love the high so much I'm 100% going to.

I dunno, I'm rambling. Has anyone experienced somethig similar?
 
What would you define as "a long time"? It takes about 36 hours of being awake for mild hallucinatory experiences to begin (like thinking you see something out of the corner of your eye etc) and anywhere from 48-72 hours for full-on hallucinations. So if it's less than 48 hours or so, I doubt the hallucinations are related to sleep deprivation.

Not hallucinations, but I get a very similar experience with (for reasons I don't know) being on opioids where even if I'm very sleepy, I just don't want to sleep. Especially weird as I HATE HATE HATE that state when you're too tired to actually do anything but not quite tired enough to sleep.
I'll usually either use amphetamine caffeine to wake myself up, or take something to induce sleep once it gets to around the 30-hour mark because I start experiencing this weird state where I'm not hallucinating, but my hearing and vision just go...weird...like I get a really strong derealization.
 
That time the other day where I stayed up into the next day doing pregabs after giving up on sleep I was up for probably 42 hrs and yeah I started having mild hallucinations. I was see textures on stuff and seeing things out of the corner of my eye like you said. Didn’t bother me or anything, I was on like 2g of pregabs at that point so I slept fine.

When I did the oxy and tried to sleep I’d only been up 24 hrs.

Think maybe I should try to just force myself to sleep when I haven’t been up ages to rule out any sleep deprivation causing it. I’ve done oxy without it happening before. I dunno, when the high fades I feel really off and foggy and I think that’s when it happens, but then it happened on gear when I was still high.

Yeah the not wanting to sleep thing is strong. Not as bad on the oxy cause yeah you can redose but you’ve got to leave so much time and it’s not as good. When I was on the gear though I could just top up the high for as long as I had some left. I’d be absolutely fried yet have no desire to sleep at all.

Maybe I should just get some zolpidem and do it (the oxy) like 4ish so it’s fully worn off by the time I go to bed and they don’t combine? But then that’s another GABA drug, would it affect my tolerance/dependence? I’m trying to avoid getting a physical dependence on anything and withdrawing. I know pregabs aren’t a gaba agonist but gbl/ghb is? (I think)
 
ChemicallyEnhanced said:
What would you define as "a long time"? It takes about 36 hours of being awake for mild hallucinatory experiences to begin (like thinking you see something out of the corner of your eye etc) and anywhere from 48-72 hours for full-on hallucinations. So if it's less than 48 hours or so, I doubt the hallucinations are related to sleep deprivation.

Not hallucinations, but I get a very similar experience with (for reasons I don't know) being on opioids where even if I'm very sleepy, I just don't want to sleep. Especially weird as I HATE HATE HATE that state when you're too tired to actually do anything but not quite tired enough to sleep.
I'll usually either use amphetamine caffeine to wake myself up, or take something to induce sleep once it gets to around the 30-hour mark because I start experiencing this weird state where I'm not hallucinating, but my hearing and vision just go...weird...like I get a really strong derealization.
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trevic said:
That time the other day where I stayed up into the next day doing pregabs after giving up on sleep I was up for probably 42 hrs and yeah I started having mild hallucinations. I was see textures on stuff and seeing things out of the corner of my eye like you said. Didn’t bother me or anything, I was on like 2g of pregabs at that point so I slept fine.

When I did the oxy and tried to sleep I’d only been up 24 hrs.

Think maybe I should try to just force myself to sleep when I haven’t been up ages to rule out any sleep deprivation causing it. I’ve done oxy without it happening before. I dunno, when the high fades I feel really off and foggy and I think that’s when it happens, but then it happened on gear when I was still high.

Yeah the not wanting to sleep thing is strong. Not as bad on the oxy cause yeah you can redose but you’ve got to leave so much time and it’s not as good. When I was on the gear though I could just top up the high for as long as I had some left. I’d be absolutely fried yet have no desire to sleep at all.

Maybe I should just get some zolpidem and do it (the oxy) like 4ish so it’s fully worn off by the time I go to bed and they don’t combine? But then that’s another GABA drug, would it affect my tolerance/dependence? I’m trying to avoid getting a physical dependence on anything and withdrawing. I know pregabs aren’t a gaba agonist but gbl/ghb is? (I think)
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The GABA drug wouldn't affect your opioid tolerance, but it would your Pregabalin tolerance.
I think using Zolpidem is fine (and, yeah, wait at least 5 hours after your last Oxy dose) but I wouldn't take it every night because then you'll NEED to take it every night or sleep will be impossible.
Why is it that with heroin you used to redose whenever you felt like it, but you don't/can't with Oxy?
 
ChemicallyEnhanced said:
The GABA drug wouldn't affect your opioid tolerance, but it would your Pregabalin tolerance.
I think using Zolpidem is fine (and, yeah, wait at least 5 hours after your last Oxy dose) but I wouldn't take it every night because then you'll NEED to take it every night or sleep will be impossible.
Why is it that with heroin you used to redose whenever you felt like it, but you don't/can't with Oxy?
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I think I’m just gonna try taking it when I’m not sleep deprived and earlier first and try to endure that foggyness instead of adding another gaba drug. I think I’ll get a few for if it’s really bad though. Least it’s encouraging me to use less I guess though I’ve been on huge doses of pregabs instead. Yesterday was second day on them so I had that short term tolerance you get with them and did 4.2 grams…. Passed out on my desk chair with no feeling in my left arm cause of how I was positioned and my glasses on the floor, may have had a seizure I dunno, was having very bad myoclonic jerks all day before it.

I was wondering about that though. Like pregabs don’t directly act on gaba receptor sites. Tried to research if gbl/ghb and it were cross tolerant cause I do that occasionally. There’s like nothing though and people don’t seem to be sure cause of their different mechanisms. I suppose if im constantly fucking about with my gaba levels though it might all combine to a tolerance I dunno.

As for the redosing well I don’t want to redose to begin with cause I’m trying to avoid physical dependence. Cause of my previous habit it comes back fast, three days use seems to be the point I get light withdrawal. But if I did redose it (as I have a few times) I find I don’t get the euphoria of the first dose, I get more sedated but what I’m searching for is that euphoria. I find I have to leave 8-12 hours to get a good high again, but it’s still less. With the gear if it was good it hit every time, could stay in that spot all day.
 
trevic said:
Anyway, I find on opiates I stay up for a long time and so become sleep deprived. I feel tired but I don't even want to go to bed, I have to force myself.
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Yeah, opioids always kept me awake despite being a supposed narcotic sedative. And if I did manage to sleep, it was poor quality (half-awake, itching, nodding in and out, waking up still tired).

I actually didn't dream much on them because I don't think I went into REM sleep long enough. But when I went through withdrawal, my dreams were insane (when I was finally able to sleep, that is).
 
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