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💂‍♂️ UK 💂‍♂️ Opiates - detox 7 days

FatBellyWhipSlay

FatBellyWhipSlay

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Hey All, hope you are good

so I am back ono the opiate bandwagon, i tried going CT last week and couldnt handle it, i know its a pathetic way out but I got things to do and be responsible and I simply cannot do that in withdrawal and i cannot take any time off for this... ive blown that way many many times b4

so I spoke to my doc and they agreed to do me a taper plan but it was like 50% every week, which i tried and after the first week crumbled pathetically like a whimpering no good addict, thats been my life since I was 20 and now I am 50..... I rang also a clinic in the UK who I have used before (its free) but they have major issues with staffing at the moment and funding so I was told it would be a 4-6 week wait to see their doctor and get on a MAT script, WTF does it take so long in the UK ??? its not fair, i know its all my fault but when you need help and are being honest I don't you should have to wait 6 weeks, its no wonder....

Anyway my Doctors Surgery have wiped their hands with me as I admitted I was addicted to pain pills again and taking WAAYYY to many than I should. They just referred me to a clinic....

so anyhow now I cant get pills anymore, the only things that are available to me are 3 things - Smack, CT, OR I think I can try and get my hands on some Pregabalin & Diazepam, which I think I can, its not cheap but they come in boxes and are the real deal...

so now I am thinking maybe I can do this over 7 days with the pregab & diazzies, if I took them for 7 days for example to get over the worse of the WD's would I be ok in just stopping ? last thing is to raise another addiction, these medications would be given to someone else, not me, who would make sure I only get what I should have, no more.... its a bad state of affairs to be in but I really think this is the only option I have, I cant do CT, just cant do it, im just a mess and a i look a mess and it fvcks with my mental health which isnt great at the moment...... would this work ? i know loads who have done this and it worked for them, so why cant it work for me ? if only doctors would just prescribe you something for 7 days to help then things would be a lot more easier imho

sorry if this post is illegal just need some help and advice, i cant do this anymore, i just cant, im 50 and im a shell of a man i used to be , dont wash/shave regularly , my hairs is a mess and i dont give 2 fvcks how i look to others, i runied Xmas for my family and im sure ill ruin other upcoming events if i dont get myself sorted out once and for all but not sure what to do. I wish i was in the US where you can get telemedicine within a day for help quitting opiates, i have the money, but unfortunately being in the UK the support sucks and blows big time, if anyone in the UK knows of any private treatment I can pay for please message me I so desperately need help
 
Seeing that this thread went unanswered and that you are looking for help specific in the UK, I'm going to move this from H&R to EADD.
 
If you’ve had an opiate addiction for 30 years, I think you’re going to need to do a very extended slow taper over the course of several months. Cutting dose by 50% every week is way too fast & I think that’s a big part of why it didn’t work. Pregabalin and diazepam will definitely help, but I would work on getting your opiate dose way way down for a few months before you even start taking those. You should only be using those once you’re in really acute withdrawal.

How much heroin are you using currently?
 
Swapping one addiction for another rarely, if ever, works. You need to work out the root cause of your addiction in the first place and work on that before you try such a rapid taper. Ignore what the Drs have said and self refer yourself to any and all of the local drug services in your area. I don't know where you live, but a quick google will give you a list of one's that are local to you. Expect a wait, and then expect to wait a bit longer.

From my own personal experience in my area at least, I am seeing the local drug teams being swamped by the influx of migrants who are addicted to opiates. Personal politics aside, they come before you. Sad state of affairs it's come to.

Whatever you do, reach out, seek help, engage, falling off the wagon is inevitable, but every time you try is one step closer than the step you never took.
 
LoginNotSecure said:
Swapping one addiction for another rarely, if ever, works. You need to work out the root cause of your addiction in the first place and work on that before you try such a rapid taper. Ignore what the Drs have said and self refer yourself to any and all of the local drug services in your area. I don't know where you live, but a quick google will give you a list of one's that are local to you. Expect a wait, and then expect to wait a bit longer.

From my own personal experience in my area at least, I am seeing the local drug teams being swamped by the influx of migrants who are addicted to opiates. Personal politics aside, they come before you. Sad state of affairs it's come to.

Whatever you do, reach out, seek help, engage, falling off the wagon is inevitable, but every time you try is one step closer than the step you never took.
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Huge amount of opiate addicted migrants in Germany too.
 
FatBellyWhipSlay said:
Anyway my Doctors Surgery have wiped their hands with me as I admitted I was addicted to pain pills again and taking WAAYYY to many than I should. They just referred me to a clinic....

so anyhow now I cant get pills anymore,
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WTF did you think was gonna happen?

This stinks of Total Bullshit, any Addict for all those decades KNOWS How the system works & if your mouth is still that loose to people who are funded by The NHS you are possibly mentally ill or a Spastic.

My mate is on 60mg of Methadone for several years, he pissed dirty for Heroin & his worker told the doctor, his now classed as "At RIsk" of an Overdose becuase his mixing Methadone with Heroin, his got a 15-17 year Heroin habit under his belt, a risk of overdose?????? Are you mad???? I've been with him when his smoked 2 grams of Heroin in a 24 hour block & kept his head up ;)

I have ZERO Sorrow for you & I suggest you do it like I have & that's sit it out, go shit your stomach out, vomit your belly up, sweat till you are wet like you had a shower etc......... & by the way I have 24 years Heroin experience ;)
 
Zopiclone bandit said:
WTF did you think was gonna happen?

This stinks of Total Bullshit, any Addict for all those decades KNOWS How the system works & if your mouth is still that loose to people who are funded by The NHS you are possibly mentally ill or a Spastic.

My mate is on 60mg of Methadone for several years, he pissed dirty for Heroin & his worker told the doctor, his now classed as "At RIsk" of an Overdose becuase his mixing Methadone with Heroin, his got a 15-17 year Heroin habit under his belt, a risk of overdose?????? Are you mad???? I've been with him when his smoked 2 grams of Heroin in a 24 hour block & kept his head up ;)

I have ZERO Sorrow for you & I suggest you do it like I have & that's sit it out, go shit your stomach out, vomit your belly up, sweat till you are wet like you had a shower etc......... & by the way I have 24 years Heroin experience ;)
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jesus calm down ducky

its not a contest or a d!ck measuring contest, "oh my addiction is worse/longer than yours, etc etc" . spare me the BS, the first step is to contact your GP which I did as they were the one who gave the pills in the first place, now I have to wait upto 6 weeks to see a specialist, thats all i am saying, so what do i do in the meantime ? buy dodgy pills off the dark web ? get some H ? You say sweat it out like you did, believe me, I have tried thae many many times before

no need to be a d!ck you dont know what people have been through to get to here.....
 
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Hey, I beat codeine addiction on Jan 13th after 3 years daily use with periods of 500-750mg a day (maintaining on 250mg mostly). I'm in the UK and was denied any bupre' by a recovery service fully capable of giving it to me and after they told me they've treat other codeine abusers in this way. They set me up to believe it would benefit me then denied me it as soon as I was very desperate and in despair. So I sourced some bupre myself eventually and it was a disaster with more severe withdrawals than codeine after a week using 4-8mg a day. I actually flushed the last 3 pills that I paid 15 gbp each for, it was that grim. You got this it gets much much better after a month, so much so it makes no sense to go back to the use, that would be utterly miserable at the point I'm at.
 
FatBellyWhipSlay said:
jesus calm down ducky

its not a contest, the first step is to contact your GP which I did, now I have to wait upto 6 weeks to see a specialist, thats all i am saying, so what do i do in the meantime ? buy dodgy pills off the dark web ? get some H ? You say sweat it out like you did, believe me, I have tried tha many many times before

no need to be a d!ck
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If money isn’t an issue, I would buy the best rated pills off the DNM. If money IS an issue then I would get the best rated H off the DNM. And start that slow taper. But what are you using right now?
 
fairnymph said:
Can you keep using those and taper off them?
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No I think i will have no control if I was given an amount to taper I would probably take them all in a couple of days... plus I can't afford it anymore and as I said my GP won't prescribe me anything else. Totally understand why as well...

I have been on bupe before 8mg a day and that was the only time I had a normal life in years. When I weened off it was my choice but maybe now I am thinking that was too early. I also didn't attend meetings etc etc.

I know it's replacing one with another but to me it's the only thing that kinda worked for me...

I am waiting for my.old clinic to.call.me back so I suppose it's a waiting game. And I know people say just sit it out tough sh!t but last time I did that I ended up CWE'ing 3 packs of co-codmal at once just to feel better as I simply couldn't handle.it anymore. Think I must of tried CT about 50 times by now! Plus, which is the worst bit, I have taken a lot of my wife's OraMorph as she has a fused vertebrae, which is very very selfish of me and I dont deserve her forgiveness so the whole situation is a mess which is why I wanna go back on bupe... as soon as I can
 
Ismene2 said:
In and out of rehab for 30 years mate? Have opiates got that much of a grip on you? Never found anything that breaks the need for em? Psychedelics any help?
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Unfortunately yeah they have have a huge plague on my life.... Ive done LSD, Shrooms and DMT before but it never really stopped me craving opiates I know it does for others, I cant try it now either married with kids, know have any contacts and haven't for 15 years.

Day 3 of the Espranor 8mg, still dont feel 100%, i can still feel the WDs in the background slightly, but hopefully they will go away soon otherwise I am gonna ask for 10mg instead of 8mg
 
FatBellyWhipSlay said:
Unfortunately yeah they have have a huge plague on my life.... Ive done LSD, Shrooms and DMT before but it never really stopped me craving opiates I know it does for others, I cant try it now either married with kids, know have any contacts and haven't for 15 years.

Day 3 of the Espranor 8mg, still dont feel 100%, i can still feel the WDs in the background slightly, but hopefully they will go away soon otherwise I am gonna ask for 10mg instead of 8mg
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Do you have anyone in your life who can hold your drugs for you and dole them out in a manner to help you taper off?
 
FatBellyWhipSlay said:
Unfortunately yeah they have have a huge plague on my life.... Ive done LSD, Shrooms and DMT before but it never really stopped me craving opiates I know it does for others, I cant try it now either married with kids, know have any contacts and haven't for 15 years.

Day 3 of the Espranor 8mg, still dont feel 100%, i can still feel the WDs in the background slightly, but hopefully they will go away soon otherwise I am gonna ask for 10mg instead of 8mg
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If you can only feel the wd in the background, it sounds like you may have the dose about right. I'd definitely recommend staying on as low a dose of buprenorphine as you can get away with, and slowly working down from that when you can.
Now that you're fairly stable on bupe, you should attend some recovery meetings in your local area and get some advice on counselling and weaning yourself off. Your keyworker or whoever you see for your bupe should be able to help you with all that.
 
axe battler said:
If you can only feel the wd in the background, it sounds like you may have the dose about right. I'd definitely recommend staying on as low a dose of buprenorphine as you can get away with, and slowly working down from that when you can.
Now that you're fairly stable on bupe, you should attend some recovery meetings in your local area and get some advice on counselling and weaning yourself off. Your keyworker or whoever you see for your bupe should be able to help you with all that.
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Yes I have already registered for their online meetings via Zoom, I start next week, they do them during the day but its like at 1pm in the afternoon on a Wednesday and I cant take the time off work every week for it, so I will give the online one a go.........
 
FatBellyWhipSlay said:
Hey All, hope you are good

so I am back ono the opiate bandwagon, i tried going CT last week and couldnt handle it, i know its a pathetic way out but I got things to do and be responsible and I simply cannot do that in withdrawal and i cannot take any time off for this... ive blown that way many many times b4

so I spoke to my doc and they agreed to do me a taper plan but it was like 50% every week, which i tried and after the first week crumbled pathetically like a whimpering no good addict, thats been my life since I was 20 and now I am 50..... I rang also a clinic in the UK who I have used before (its free) but they have major issues with staffing at the moment and funding so I was told it would be a 4-6 week wait to see their doctor and get on a MAT script, WTF does it take so long in the UK ??? its not fair, i know its all my fault but when you need help and are being honest I don't you should have to wait 6 weeks, its no wonder....

Anyway my Doctors Surgery have wiped their hands with me as I admitted I was addicted to pain pills again and taking WAAYYY to many than I should. They just referred me to a clinic....

so anyhow now I cant get pills anymore, the only things that are available to me are 3 things - Smack, CT, OR I think I can try and get my hands on some Pregabalin & Diazepam, which I think I can, its not cheap but they come in boxes and are the real deal...

so now I am thinking maybe I can do this over 7 days with the pregab & diazzies, if I took them for 7 days for example to get over the worse of the WD's would I be ok in just stopping ? last thing is to raise another addiction, these medications would be given to someone else, not me, who would make sure I only get what I should have, no more.... its a bad state of affairs to be in but I really think this is the only option I have, I cant do CT, just cant do it, im just a mess and a i look a mess and it fvcks with my mental health which isnt great at the moment...... would this work ? i know loads who have done this and it worked for them, so why cant it work for me ? if only doctors would just prescribe you something for 7 days to help then things would be a lot more easier imho

sorry if this post is illegal just need some help and advice, i cant do this anymore, i just cant, im 50 and im a shell of a man i used to be , dont wash/shave regularly , my hairs is a mess and i dont give 2 fvcks how i look to others, i runied Xmas for my family and im sure ill ruin other upcoming events if i dont get myself sorted out once and for all but not sure what to do. I wish i was in the US where you can get telemedicine within a day for help quitting opiates, i have the money, but unfortunately being in the UK the support sucks and blows big time, if anyone in the UK knows of any private treatment I can pay for please message me I so desperately need help
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You can try to get some drugs to help you ease withdrawal or taper yourself off on the DW.

Personally Phenobarbital can really keep you calmer during the worst of the withdraws and if you just quit that instantly after the week (it's not euphoric by itself so not too hard to keep off of) then you might be "good to go".

There's also clonidine which helps with the shivers/hotflashes during PAWS.
 
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