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opiates and cancer

polymath said:
Morphine-like opioids can slow down or speed up the growth of malignant tumors by affecting growth factor receptors. Which one they do, depends on the type of cancer. Lung cancer seems to be slowed down by morphine: https://journals.lww.com/anesthesia-analgesia/subjects/Preclinical Pharmacology/Fulltext/2016/12000/Morphine_Suppresses_Lung_Cancer_Cell_Proliferation.14.aspx .
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morphine aint only slowing down cancer in the lung but also your damn breathing. interesting mechanism, less breathing less likely for cancer to grow hmm
 
allone said:
speaking of suboxone, this shit should be checked for causing severe fatigue. been on on and off most of my life and i always quit it main reason being SEVERE FATIGUE and BREATHING ISSUES. not sure what it does but its damn horrible if unchecked. the warning listing states endocrine issues long term use...
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Being a long term heroin addict who even used megadoses of loperamide daily for three years when I found how it likewise killed fatigue, I must agree. After getting out of prison on July 5th '19 and months later getting on the offered Suboxone program locally (and not needing it to taper any opioids, I was clean from my tenure at the penitentiary) this was pushed on me for eliminating "cravings", (which it did not do, because it did not remedy exhaustion as full agonist opioids do).

I noticed walking that my legs hurt more than usual, it took a long time to not "feel the burn" as if I was doing a harsh leg workout, when simply beginning on long walks (which, having no vehicle and a suspended license, was a necessity). Higher doses never helped, ridiculous doses just gave me a false positive for oxycodone, which almost got me in a unbearably bad situation with parole and my initial screening for an Oxford House. (neither individual administering either UA could be convinced otherwise, that I hadn't taken oxycodone, luckily the line was barely visible and both had to concede it was technically a negative result; however both fed me a hard line, Oxford House chair and DOC officer, that they *knew* I was using. Am surprised this isn't more common, that some on the program try taking ten or so Suboxone strips to get high before a UA is popped on them.)
 
^ suboxone's mechanism, it works stable at higher or even very low doses. the effect remains the same no matter the dose which i have experienced myself multiple times in the past. but i also read about it on wikipedia as well so i must be right from my personal experience, with speculation based on wkipedia report. I just forgot the word for it.... hmm its basically no matter what the dose, the effect peaks up and remains and works the same. so its impossible to really get high on suboxone and taking more than 1-2 strips is completely useless and dumb!
I used to live around junkies and they would steal my suboxone A LOT and try to shoot it. OR take more strips than required only to get angry lol and never bother again!
I do not remember a single person who tried to get high on suboxone coming back to ask me for more, ever! in a way im happy they abandoned me, i do not need junkies, but at the same time i feel bad because suboxone wasnt helping and they probably went back to heroin *sigh*
 
It's not impossible to high on suboxone at all, though if you're addicted to full agonists it may be. If you're not addicted to full agonists, suboxone actually has a very nice high, I like it quite a lot. It's low-key euphoric, and highly functional and motivating. In fact it's the main opiate of abuse in a few countries.
 
yeah, could have been many other things you were taking, like supplements or specific nutrients from food. vitamin c, opposite to popular belief, can actuall grow cancer cells. but as i know, anything that boosts cell growth WILL stimulate the cancer cells as well, so forget nutrients when you have cancer, just starve
 
Xorkoth said:
How are you doing with the cancer, by the way? If you don't mind me asking.
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I appreciate you asking, doing well again. Finished up chemo a couple months back and actually just started working again this week. Thankfully my type of cancer is more easily treated than others, so if I can make it a couple years cancer free I’ll be golden.

The only thing that lingers now is the side effects of chemo/surgery and the damage the entire experience had on me. Very grateful for psychedelic medicines as they’ve brought me back out of the hole I was in afterwards. It deserves a thread of its own when I have the time.

I’d say the last two weeks I’m finally back to a place where, while not 100%, I’m happy with my functionality and have hope it will only get better.

Fuck cancer though lol, shits not fun. Got to use a lot of cannabis though and no one could say shit about it. I’d usually take a break to the bathroom during my 4hr infusions, to help ease the stomach.

I could go on and on about it, my 2020 was pretty eventful on top of an already crazy year, but won’t stray too far from topic here ;)

-GC
 
The link between opiate abuse and cancer is a new one that is only now being explored. While it is true that most people who abuse opiates do not live long enough to develop cancer, a small percentage do. This new research is important in understanding the potential long-term effects of opiate abuse. However, it is also possible that people who abuse opioids are more likely to develop cancer because of other factors, such as poor diet and lifestyle choices. There is plenty of interesting new studies. For instance, I recently read an interesting article about Fenbendazole (https://www.fenbendazole.org/2019/12/19/panacur-c-dog-dewormer-for-cancer/). It is believed it could enhance the chemotherapy effect.
 
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