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Okay so lately I've seen a lot of posts on Blue light talking about Loperamide and it's use in opiate withdrawal. I posted what I'm about to say below in another thread but I thought it has a lot of information others may want to read and may not get the chance due it to being on a different thread etc, so here's my take on opiate withdrawals, some remedies I use and what works for me etc and information on Loperamide which seems to be very misinformed on this forum. The information I have posted is my own opinion after doing extensive online research, reading many user reports, as well as medical websites etc. Disclaimer for mods, I understand there is price discussion but loperamide is not controlled here in the UK or US so I don't think it would cause any legal problems.
Actually loperamide does help with opiate withdrawals if enough is taken. In small doses it doesn't cross the blood brain barrier meaning the opiate receptors in your brain are not triggered, meaning no help with opiate withdrawals but people forget you have opiate receptors all over your body and it's medically proven high doses (not sure on the exact amount but from most user reports it tends to be around 70mg+) will flood your opioid receptors around your body and help with withdrawals. Also there was a medical report I found on google stating on massive doses like 100mg+ minute amounts can pass the BBB barrier but they weren't sure if the effects which were taking place were due to opioid receptors being flooded elsewhere in the body or the ones in the brain due to small amounts passing the blood brain barrier. It could be both, or it could be one or the other.
You can see many testimonials and data online about it, just take an hour to research it. Although I've still yet to use loperamide for withdrawals I did actually get 20mg for when I'm next facing it but I only got it for diarrhea but after doing research I found that taking 100mg+ can actually cause an opiate like high, which tends to last at least 12 hours but some users reporting it lasting up to 36 hours. Maybe it's dangerous though but then again so is shooting smack, taking copious amounts of painkillers and whatever else we all do to get high. Anyway, that said I didn't see a single person saying they had troubles with it though but that doesn't mean it is safe to use. Here in the UK you can only get packs of 6 capsules containing 2mg each for around £3/$3.85 and I think you are limited at two packs per customer or at least I was when buying on an online UK chemist (pretty expensive if you are wanting to take 100mg at a time also), I think that's down to it being an opiate so they restrict how much you can buy where as in the US you can get bottles of 100 capsules of 2mg for like 10$/£7.75.
Either way, if you're planning on using it for withdrawals at 100mg doses etc I would just suggest buying co codamol and doing a CWE and tapering down as well as using 200-400mg ibuprofen every 4 hours for aches and pains and 2mg loperamide each day if needed for diarrhea.
I would recommend staying away from Diphenhydramine for helping to sleep though as I and others from what I've read seem to feel like it potentiates opiate withdrawals and gives horrible RLS. If you are struggling to sleep and keep waking up in cold sweats which I get extremely badly when withdrawing I suggest amitriptyline 20-40mg before sleeping. Works wonders for me but you do tend to wake up feeling a bit groggy and tired and adding that onto the fatigued state you are already in from opiates it can be a bit annoying. I still prefer the full nights sleep and feeling extra shitty than waking up every 30 minutes drenched in sweat though. Xanax can help also but as everyone knows it's a benzodiazepine and is extremely addictive and can cause it's own withdrawals which tend to be worse than opiates. Go ahead if you know you can handle the stuff without going down the wrong path but I feel amitriptyline does exactly the same job just leaves you feeling a bit shitty on the morning.
I think the best think you can do while withdrawing though is keeping busy. 'Idle hands are the devils workshop', this quote is painfully true when it comes to drug addiction.
Either way it's a proven fact that loperamide does help either at normal doses of 2mg for diarrhea which we all know is one of the negative effects from stopping opiates abruptly. Also proven at higher doses of at least 70mg (from most user reports I've read) because it floods opioid receptors elsewhere in the body.
TL;DR - Loperamide does help opiate withdrawals at low doses as well as high. So now that's cleared up can people stop spreading false information regarding loperamide and opiate withdrawals. Thanks.
Actually loperamide does help with opiate withdrawals if enough is taken. In small doses it doesn't cross the blood brain barrier meaning the opiate receptors in your brain are not triggered, meaning no help with opiate withdrawals but people forget you have opiate receptors all over your body and it's medically proven high doses (not sure on the exact amount but from most user reports it tends to be around 70mg+) will flood your opioid receptors around your body and help with withdrawals. Also there was a medical report I found on google stating on massive doses like 100mg+ minute amounts can pass the BBB barrier but they weren't sure if the effects which were taking place were due to opioid receptors being flooded elsewhere in the body or the ones in the brain due to small amounts passing the blood brain barrier. It could be both, or it could be one or the other.
You can see many testimonials and data online about it, just take an hour to research it. Although I've still yet to use loperamide for withdrawals I did actually get 20mg for when I'm next facing it but I only got it for diarrhea but after doing research I found that taking 100mg+ can actually cause an opiate like high, which tends to last at least 12 hours but some users reporting it lasting up to 36 hours. Maybe it's dangerous though but then again so is shooting smack, taking copious amounts of painkillers and whatever else we all do to get high. Anyway, that said I didn't see a single person saying they had troubles with it though but that doesn't mean it is safe to use. Here in the UK you can only get packs of 6 capsules containing 2mg each for around £3/$3.85 and I think you are limited at two packs per customer or at least I was when buying on an online UK chemist (pretty expensive if you are wanting to take 100mg at a time also), I think that's down to it being an opiate so they restrict how much you can buy where as in the US you can get bottles of 100 capsules of 2mg for like 10$/£7.75.
Either way, if you're planning on using it for withdrawals at 100mg doses etc I would just suggest buying co codamol and doing a CWE and tapering down as well as using 200-400mg ibuprofen every 4 hours for aches and pains and 2mg loperamide each day if needed for diarrhea.
I would recommend staying away from Diphenhydramine for helping to sleep though as I and others from what I've read seem to feel like it potentiates opiate withdrawals and gives horrible RLS. If you are struggling to sleep and keep waking up in cold sweats which I get extremely badly when withdrawing I suggest amitriptyline 20-40mg before sleeping. Works wonders for me but you do tend to wake up feeling a bit groggy and tired and adding that onto the fatigued state you are already in from opiates it can be a bit annoying. I still prefer the full nights sleep and feeling extra shitty than waking up every 30 minutes drenched in sweat though. Xanax can help also but as everyone knows it's a benzodiazepine and is extremely addictive and can cause it's own withdrawals which tend to be worse than opiates. Go ahead if you know you can handle the stuff without going down the wrong path but I feel amitriptyline does exactly the same job just leaves you feeling a bit shitty on the morning.
I think the best think you can do while withdrawing though is keeping busy. 'Idle hands are the devils workshop', this quote is painfully true when it comes to drug addiction.
Either way it's a proven fact that loperamide does help either at normal doses of 2mg for diarrhea which we all know is one of the negative effects from stopping opiates abruptly. Also proven at higher doses of at least 70mg (from most user reports I've read) because it floods opioid receptors elsewhere in the body.
TL;DR - Loperamide does help opiate withdrawals at low doses as well as high. So now that's cleared up can people stop spreading false information regarding loperamide and opiate withdrawals. Thanks.
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