Opioids Opiate Naive: Hydrocodone

[Salvinorin A]

Yesterday I tried the first opiate in my life. Hydrocodone. Never in my life have I seen a drug lower my anxiety so low, make me feel so good. I can see how people get addicted to this stuff it makes you feel amazing. Everything felt so clear, so right. All of my decisions seemed right and everything was good. I felt secure and safe and the world was perfect; kind of like seeing the world as a child again. I was social and I felt outgoing and I had motivation to communicate and go through my daily tasks like never before. This morning I felt weak and tired, sad and unmotivated but one thing was stuck in the back of my head and no natter what I couldn't stop thinking about it. the hydro. I thought to myself if I could have this everday for the rest of my life everything would be great. But I know these effects won't stay around forever and I feel myself craving the drug. How often can I use without becoming dependent?I REALLY do not want to become depedent.

 

[Nooo]

This morning I felt weak and tired, sad and unmotivated but one thing was stuck in the back of my head and no natter what I couldn't stop thinking about it. the hydro. I thought to myself if I could have this everday for the rest of my life everything would be great. But I know these effects won't stay around forever and I feel myself craving the drug. How often can I use without becoming dependent?I REALLY do not want to become depedent.

Jesus NEVER try hard opiates like heroin then. In fact just STOP. This is why I NEVER promote the use of feel-good drugs like opiates or cocaine. Once you come down you don't forget how good it feels. When I came down from smoking crack I felt anxious because I knew that nothing in this world can ever make me feel that good again. I still get anxious thinking about it sometimes, I still dream about crack sometimes, and it's been over a year since I tried it. Knowing it makes me feel so good is why I don't even do it like once a month, I'm not going to allow myself to get addicted to that.

I've been doing hydros for nearly 4 years, once or twice a month at most. And when I crave them I really crave them and get upset that I can't get any, but I also know that if I had them as often as I wanted then I'd have a physical addiction in no time.

It sounds like you're already on your way to addiction, you already have a psychological dependence if all you can think about is hydros. Just stop now, don't go any further, it's already too late to not know how good hydrocodone feels so go ahead and keep doing them if you must but limit it to once a month, once a week if you're really desperate, but never binge on them for more than 2 days at a time.

Hydro's are, in my opinion, a soft drug. It's ok to use them, you just can't go overboard, and you can't forget that in the long run you're much happier without them. They're just a temporary and false pleasure. If you need them to cope with life, you'll eventually need something else, and something else, and coping just gets harder and harder.

 

[Sprout]

Psychological addiction still builds even if you space your doses apart - I have no physical addiction to speak of anymore (2 years dependance free) but psychologically I'm definitely an addict. I use a few times a month and that takes a lot of willpower.

 

[twotoomany]

Stop. Now. It'll be harder later. You may be able to chip for a year or two, but eventually it'll catch ya

 

[Larc]

Go to our "The Dark Side" forum and read some heroin recovery stories.

If you must, teach yourself "good and safe" using practices. Use only once or twice a month and never 2 days in a row. Don't redose. Set limits for yourself now, if you find you can't follow these limits, quit.

You can use once a week or so without getting physically addicted. You will learn that psychological addiction is ten times worse in the end. Be careful, you sound young, opiates aren't something to mess with.

 

[Partykid12]

The first opiate I ever tried was Hydrocodone and that was about 2001. Like you I was instantly in love with this pill and the feeling it gave me. I would have to agree with the rest of the posters though, stop now, because after 12 years of ups and downs, I can tell you that it is not worth it. I've been on Suboxone for years now after going from Hydrocodone --> Oxycodone --> Oxycontin --> Heroin. Every opiate addict in the world started with the same thought process as you, "hrmm, how many days can I take this pill without becoming an addict?" It rarely works. Good luck to you.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

Millions of addicts around the world started off exactly like you are. It's a progressive thing.. the majority of people start out on weaker opiates here and there, graduate to stronger ones, get deeper, etc, etc.

Judging by your post, you are already exhibiting signs of psychological dependency. It takes a long time usually in the beginning for somebody to pick up their first psychical dependency, often weeks of everyday use, though it can happen sooner.

To avoid this, don't use more than two days in a row and ideally, take a week or two off in between. But, take my word for it, if you keep messing with this even casually like I described, the chances of you using more and more then using harder opiates are incredibly high.

You just hopped on a dangerous train my friend. Good luck.

 

[alovesupreme]

ok please no flames just my opinion... i feel that, the highest frequency at which you can use is stick to weekends: friday night and saturday night, then stay clean the rest of the week. that is to say, two days on, five days off. if you have the discipline to chip only on weekends, you can go on forever without really copping a habit that would lead to major physical withdrawal (just psychological...) or interfering with your life or anything like that... if you can hold out every two weeks or more between doses, even better... that said, many people don't have that discipline and if you are one of those people, god help you that you are strong enough of will to find your way back when it's all said and done. yes, doing opiates makes you feel like you're having a great day, every day, but if you play it that way, it'll definitely catch up with you eventually. as above ^^ be safe and good luck if you choose to keep playing with opis. oh, and never, never, ever go near the needle. ain't no drug you can't smoke, snort, or eat.

edit: ps, also, consider using kratom (+pot, +benzos, +whatever) to manage the day-after blues instead of dosing more hydro...

edit edit: i always thought the right mindset is to just consider opiates (rightfully so) to be as powerful as, say, a good hallucinogen. you wouldn't take mdma every day, would you? same goes for hydros, oxy, heroin, whatever...

 

[Tommyboy]

Jesus NEVER try hard opiates like heroin then. In fact just STOP. This is why I NEVER promote the use of feel-good drugs like opiates or cocaine. Once you come down you don't forget how good it feels. When I came down from smoking crack I felt anxious because I knew that nothing in this world can ever make me feel that good again. I still get anxious thinking about it sometimes, I still dream about crack sometimes, and it's been over a year since I tried it. Knowing it makes me feel so good is why I don't even do it like once a month, I'm not going to allow myself to get addicted to that.

I've been doing hydros for nearly 4 years, once or twice a month at most. And when I crave them I really crave them and get upset that I can't get any, but I also know that if I had them as often as I wanted then I'd have a physical addiction in no time.

It sounds like you're already on your way to addiction, you already have a psychological dependence if all you can think about is hydros. Just stop now, don't go any further, it's already too late to not know how good hydrocodone feels so go ahead and keep doing them if you must but limit it to once a month, once a week if you're really desperate, but never binge on them for more than 2 days at a time.

Hydro's are, in my opinion, a soft drug. It's ok to use them, you just can't go overboard, and you can't forget that in the long run you're much happier without them. They're just a temporary and false pleasure. If you need them to cope with life, you'll eventually need something else, and something else, and coping just gets harder and harder.

I use heroin, and myself and most other heroin addicts that started off on prescription opioid pills are using heroin to feel like they felt on hydrocodone. It's just that we built up a tolerance to the hydrocodone so we needed something more potent to get the same type of high that we once got from the hydrocodone, so up the ladder we climbed until we got to the top [heroin].

If you were to give me and equivalent dose of either hydrocodone or heroin (in any dose other than IV) and no taste or smell were involved I probably couldn't tell the difference between the two.

I still agree with you that the OP (as well as everybody else) should avoid harder drugs like heroin, but don't think that you are safe using hydrocodone because it is just as addictive, and will cause the same psychological problems if used regularly.

I would stick to using once a week if you wish to avoid dependence. You can get away with using twice a week without becoming physically dependent, but for people that have already been physically dependent before it's easier to become dependent again, so twice a week could be enough to cause dependence.

Back to the OP's situation though, even if you stick to using once a week you can become (and already appear to be) psychologically addicted to hydrocodone, so you may spend all week thinking about being able to get high on the weekend, which is not a good way to spend your time.

 

[TimKT9]

I feel ya man, Hydrocodone was also the first opiate i ever took, and lemme tell ya, i fell in LOVE. It completely cured my social anxiety and all of my problems. Somehow i was able to take only 15mgs of it twice a day for about 6 months without ever really needing more than that. But once i took an Oxy, it was over. My tolerance jumped so high, so quick, if i wanted to take Hydros I'd have to take 80-90mgs of it to feel like i used to. Definitely not worth it. Stop now while you're ahead