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NY Times article on cartel fentanyl production

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chippermonk

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chippermonk said:
This article is about them recruiting local undergrad chemistry students to produce fentanyl, and also to develop precursors to production. It's interesting. (Sorry if my article share doesn't work, you can probably access it elsewhere for free)

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After El Chapo was arrested. His son, the new leader, said the Sinaloa Cartel would stop fentanyl production and punish dissenting members (likely with death). That was in 2023.

This article is sourcing information from a 2020 Mexican intelligence Report. It also says The Times interviewed members themselves about fentanyl production... but is extremely vague and does not say when those interviews occurred.

This seems like a scare story (although various cartels recruiting chemists is obviously true and well known), possibly intentionally misleading, and getting views from Trump threatening idiotic tariffs if Mexico doesn't stop sending drugs.
 
Also, I think the Sinaloa Cartel really did stop fentanyl production, because about 9 months after they made that announcement, you started seeing the very first threads on BL about mass fentanyl shortages and droughts, particularly on the west coast, which is where most of Sinaloa's product goes.

But there are other cartels who I'm sure will fill the void to a certain point. But most of them are nowhere near as big or powerful or controlling of the border as Sinaloa.
 
Yeah, I remember the news about them proclaiming they were banning the production of fentanyl, with the banners they hung from overpasses in Culiacan. I dunno, though. It isn't clear why they would want to stop making all that money. But it also seems like good fentanyl is harder to get in the US these days?
Yeah, if these interviews are from a few years ago, then they could be very dated. And it's almost anecdotal to talk just a handful of people. Who the fuck would ever talk about any cartel business to a US reporter anyhow? Dangerous.
I was interested in the interview with the woman talking about experimenting to make fentanyl stronger. She mentioned adding animal tranquilizers. What are we talking about about here? Xylazine? That isn't inventing anything new, it's just cutting and adulterating
*oh, I see you said some of this stuff in your second reply*
 
Maybe, they looked at 100,000+ deaths a year in US alone as bad for their other businesses aka smuggling other drugs and not scaring the younger generations away with all the coke and meth laced with fentanyl deaths.

In this case maybe it was a long term economic decision, and to not scare people in general and to not bring as much heat on their other smuggling operations.

What is big bad Trump scaring the cartels from smuggling in fentanyl a bad thing in your eyes, cause if so that is sick and wrong.

Tell that to all the 100,000's of thousands of families who have lost relatives and loved ones because of that awful shit. I will take it that you meant something else. Because if not you don't belong on a harm reduction site.
 
Yeah, it did cross my mind that Sinaloa has diversified into a lot different other criminal enterprises ( like stealing gasoline, extortion, avocado theft, time share fraud, etc) and maybe they figured high profile outrages like overdose deaths were bad for business. But there is a huge profitable market for fentanyl so I don't see it just going away. Also, the cartels are far from monolithic. Even within a particular cartel, there would be differences of opinion about a strategy like that. And then there is the one Chapo son kidnapping the other big Sinaloa honcho and then surrendering to the US, That was opaque and weird
 
Quasimoto said:
After El Chapo was arrested. His son, the new leader, said the Sinaloa Cartel would stop fentanyl production and punish dissenting members (likely with death). That was in 2023.
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Yeah, I heard that this "policy" is just a deflection technique on the part of the cartel. They're still very involved with fentanyl production, my personal speculation is that they've just consolidated the production entirely to their main guys, probably to control the market in some fashion.
 
distAnTKarmA said:
Yeah, I heard that this "policy" is just a deflection technique on the part of the cartel. They're still very involved with fentanyl production, my personal speculation is that they've just consolidated the production entirely to their main guys, probably to control the market in some fashion.
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^^ was only referring to the notion that the cartel halted fentanyl production.

I see this is a newer article im checking it out now
 
chippermonk said:
This article is about them recruiting local undergrad chemistry students to produce fentanyl, and also to develop precursors to production. It's interesting. (Sorry if my article share doesn't work, you can probably access it elsewhere for free)

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This is an interesting article, my first impression is that this is just something of a puff piece. It's not really much of a story, I guess the main narrative is that they're attempting to manufacture the precusors themselves. The cartels have always employed young, educated, intelligent people. You can't necessarily just grab some asshole off the street throw him in the lab to mix shit up on a large scale, it's beyond a street smarts thing.

I get the sense that the cartel prepares and vets these statements from the members and thats the only way that would work right?

I mean, I feel like if you're involved w/ the cartel, giving out the wrong information to reporters could be extremely hazardous to ones health. That could just be jaded realism or something, but the article seems like a smoke and mirrors thing, maybe lacking some needed substance for a story, like its half of a good article idk lol
 
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