Misc Nutmeg

[pasolini]

Hello guys i ate some pregrounded nutmeg about 3 spoons.I read in the forum and on the web but i am still kind of anxious about it what to expect of it, is the experience scary?

 

[Doldrugs]

You'll be fine, but prepare for a very long trip. Like about a whole day. And you'll probably have a hangover.

 

[ComfortablyNumb95]

Don't worry, just make sure yoy don't anything to do for a few days. (Considering you took enough to get high)

 

[Mysterie]

take a low dosage of this toxin (i wouldn't call it a drug personally)

6-10 grams and you are GOOD

do not exceed 15 grams

do some research on the actual substance, and read other peoples experiences where they dose less than 10 grams. most people have a utterly shithouse time on nutmeg because they dose way too high.

or even better, save yourself a couple of days of feeling like someone poisoned you, and smoke a joint instead.

edit: reread your OP, good luck, try to avoid your parents for 3 days if thats possible (im assuming you are between 12-18 y.o.)

 

[dirzted]

Just. Buy. Some. Weed.

Absolutely no point in trying it, 90% of experience reports, people hate it and then feel like shit. Even if you did slightly enjoy it, it would be nearly impossible for it to be actually euphoric, and even then, the hangover is horrible.

Weedweedweedweedweed

 

[Mysterie]

too late lol, read the op again

 

[sekio]

Not everybody feels like shit on nutmeg, some people enjoy it.

It takes around 4-6 hours to come up though & the experience is quite... heavy.

 

[mareseatoats]

So Mr. Nutmeg, are you doing ok?

 

[mostly-human]

So Mr. Nutmeg, are you doing ok?

Yes, please do reply. These days I find my life parallels TDS on here more than any other sub-forum and it's nice to see kids are still eating nutmeg, good stuff.

 

[dirzted]

Not everybody feels like shit on nutmeg, some people enjoy it.

It takes around 4-6 hours to come up though & the experience is quite... heavy.

Taking into account that anyone anywhere on the internet will say they took anything and felt amazing from it...

I would estimate like 1% of people actually enjoy it, and it can be dangerous in the possible psychosis arising from the effects (which are hard to gauge in the dosage since potency varies so widely) where as weed is a much easier alternative.
I just don't think there is any REALLLL point in taking nutmeg, and I am pretty damn liberal as far as experimenting with substances goes hahaha you could say that about anything but still, nutmeg is way the hell out there

 

[king.snork1]

it can be dangerous in the possible psychosis arising from the effects (which are hard to gauge in the dosage since potency varies so widely) where as weed is a much easier alternative.

speaking against a substance because of the possibility of psychosis then recommending weed in the same line is a bit hypocritical..

 

[Doldrugs]

speaking against a substance because of the possibility of psychosis then recommending weed in the same line is a bit hypocritical..

You're ignoring the frequency with which these effects can happen. Weed can trigger psychosis in people who are already psychotic. Nutmeg can cause delerium in anyone, and its effects can last multiple days.

 

[EvolutionEyes33]

Lol. I have a friend who plays grassroots acoustic reggae sort of bluegrass-influenced. I always looked up to him when we'd smoke pot because he was older. He's actually doing real well now. A bit intimidating to make small talk almost. I remember as a child him and a buddy had no ganj so I gave him my mothers nutmeg. He ate the whole thing and thanked me the next day saying he saw triangles and spinning pyramids. True story.

 

[yteek]

You're ignoring the frequency with which these effects can happen. Weed can trigger psychosis in people who are already psychotic. Nutmeg can cause delerium in anyone, and its effects can last multiple days.

That is such fucking bullshit. There are people who have been mentally stable all their life, well into their adulthood who fall victim to this. It becomes a chicken or egg argument, but to assume that only those with a predisposition of sorts are the only minority impacted by the potential negatives of marijuana is COMPLETE FUCKING BULLSHIT.

Not ignoring any positive potential of marijuana, but this downplaying of potential cons, is just as bad as the overly emphasized and amplified negatives of reefer madness.

 

[EvolutionEyes33]

whoa brah

 

[Doldrugs]

There are people who have been mentally stable all their life, well into their adulthood who fall victim to this.

Source?

It becomes a chicken or egg argument, but to assume that only those with a predisposition of sorts are the only minority impacted by the potential negatives of marijuana is COMPLETE FUCKING BULLSHIT.

It's not an assumption.

 

[yteek]

Source?

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It's not an assumption.

Really? I've seen multiple reports. It isn't that hard to fathom, they even had some writer for some site try it for her first time, completely normal person, lost her shit.A lot of of people, especially now in places where they offer the mainstream outlet to try it, find themselves in the same spot. As to if it last, a lot factors come into play. I've seen it with myself, friends who have no signs of psychosis, smoke marijuana, it all comes about. If you feel uncomfortable saying marijuana is capable of causing psychosis, just say "psychotic-like effect", cause if it isn't the real deal then fuck me running, it mimics it to the tenth degree.

Provide the evidence. It is complete bullshit, to deny the possibility that marijuana is more then capable of proving faulty for even those without a predisposition. Is that really hard to fathom? I think it is batshit crazy...might just be me though. Why is it so hard to believe, I know why, the fucking generality that marijuana is an all-natural plant free from any serious impact on the user, but for some people, even if a minority, that adds up and fucks some people up.


Provide me with what proof shows someone has the predisposition, then also prove that they're not just as capable of also having positive effect as well, as it very likely could. Either way, marijuana research is all over the fucking place, rather you're looking for pros or cons, you can rest assured you will find a study backing you. People jump to the "THEY HAVE A PREDISPOSITION, WEED CAN'T DO BAD THINGS",but also, fail to prove of any predisposition, just a quick jump to the gun assumption. I think it is a chicken or the egg debate, once the psychosis or what have you shows up, not just in the moment of the duration of use, but thereafter, it is damn near impossible to pinpoint rather it was underlying and existent all the while or solely the marijuana.

 

[Doldrugs]

The overwhelming scientific consensus is that marijuana may trigger or exacerbate symptoms in people with existing conditions, and can cause problems for a developing brain. But there is no conclusive evidence to suggest it causes psychosis in otherwise healthy adults out of the blue. If you're going to challenge the consensus the burden is on you to provide the proof. "I knew somebody" isn't going to cut it.

Some reading:

Many studies show that teens who use marijuana face a greater risk of later developing schizophrenia or symptoms of it, especially if they have a genetic predisposition. For instance, one 15-year study followed more than 45,000 Swedes who initially had no psychotic symptoms. The researchers determined that subjects who smoked marijuana by age 18 were 2.4 times more likely to be diagnosed with schizophrenia than their nonsmoking peers, and this risk increased with the frequency of cannabis use. The connection still held when researchers accounted for participants' use of other drugs.
Yet despite these results and an uptick in marijuana use in the 1970s and 1980s, other researchers have not uncovered an increase in the incidence of schizophrenia in the general Swedish population—suggesting that perhaps people who were going to develop schizophrenia anyway were more likely to use marijuana. Another study, conducted in Australia over a 30-year period, also found no increase in schizophrenia diagnoses among the general population, despite rising rates of teen marijuana use. These authors concluded that although cannabis most likely does not cause schizophrenia, its use might trigger psychosis in vulnerable people or exacerbate an existing condition.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/can-marijuana-cause-psychosis/

 

[yteek]

The overwhelming scientific consensus is that marijuana may trigger or exacerbate symptoms in people with existing conditions, and can cause problems for a developing brain. But there is no conclusive evidence to suggest it causes psychosis in otherwise healthy adults out of the blue. If you're going to challenge the consensus the burden is on you to provide the proof. "I knew somebody" isn't going to cut it.

Some reading:



http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/can-marijuana-cause-psychosis/

I can give a fuck less. If you feel uncomfortable calling it psychosis, fine with me, the classic signs of you're typical marijuana "freak out" is basically identical to psychosis and you can do yourself the favor of reading multiple experience reports attesting to the fact. It may not be a university study, but, to completely discount that fact at hand is the fault of your own. Aside from just those moments of angst, that predicament follows some people for an extended period of time. I'm not suggesting it is permanent, or denying it could be, it could be within the moment of consumption, a short period after, and possibly just fade away.


Why is it impossible to believe, that even a small percentage of mentally healthy people with no predisposition can be inflicted with negative side effects upon their mental health? It is a fucking drug, it isn't free from possible side effects. You're dealing with unique brain function and chemistry of the brain with various individuals and introducing a foreign drug.There is no universal reaction and the research of marijuana compared to a lot of drugs is relatively behind in the grand scheme. Is it because you respond positively? The lax attitude and positive image of the times? Nothing against that, but, time and time again, many people are completely incapable of admitting marijuana has a potential to negatively impact some users.

God forbid any negative come to light on the precious herb of the people, all hells breaks lose. The pro marijuana enthusiast have such a bet on this horse in the race, such an emotional attachment, any sense of rationale goes out the window for many of them.

 

[Doldrugs]

I can give a fuck less. If you feel uncomfortable calling it psychosis, fine with me, the classic signs of you're typical marijuana "freak out" is basically identical to psychosis

Oh, I see. You're calling a panic attack psychosis. They're not the same thing. That has nothing to do with what I'm "comfortable" with, and everything to do with scientific reality and correct terminology. If you're going to invent different meanings for words without mentioning it that's gonna make it hard to have a discussion.

And I think you are protesting too much. You clearly do give a fuck. Frankly you seem pretty angry about this. I'm not sure why.

Why is it impossible to believe, that even a small percentage of mentally healthy people with no predisposition can be inflicted with negative side effects upon their mental health?

It's not impossible to believe. I'm just not sure where the value lies in believing something not established by science to be true. You "feel" like weed causes psychosis. That's great, man, but it's not gonna affect my life.

Nothing against that, but, time and time again, many people are completely incapable of admitting marijuana has a potential to negatively impact some users.

Not sure how that describes me. I'm well aware of its potential to harm, having triggered my own anxiety disorder in part by using marijuana. The science indicates it's harmful to developing minds, as well, which is why I think it would be better if it were regulated and had legal age for use like alcohol. Just because I don't believe your groundless personal theory doesn't mean I reject the negatives of cannabis that have been established by actual research.

God forbid any negative come to light on the precious herb of the people, all hells breaks lose. The pro marijuana enthusiast have such a bet on this horse in the race, such an emotional attachment, any sense of rationale goes out the window for many of them.

You're projecting. You're the one getting emotional and irrational. I'm interested in the science, not the fearmongering.