basement_shaman
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This all started because of this this thread.
I had discovered elemi oil as so many other people, eventually finding 69ron's posts, and reading through several threads on shroomery, dmtnexus and other places. I ordered a 30 ml bottle and began my trials. Prior to this I was light/moderately experienced with nutmeg (15-20 uses), as well as having tried a plethora of other substances.
I found the aforementioned thread, starting experimenting with adding pepper to my experiences, and now this.
I'd had an "alright" experience with elemi and nutmeg along with black pepper about a week prior, where I ended up feeling pretty stimulated in my body but not in my mind, and not ordinarily megged out.. just strange, but I did experience this one feeling that I have now been getting every time I've dosed a significant amount of elemi. It usually only comes once during the "trip" (I don't like to call it that, but "experience" takes so long to type), and it seems like it may be the peak, usually occurring 3-5 hours into the trip. It's as if I suffer a slow loss of proprioception over the course of 10-15 seconds. If I then close my eyes, I feel completely dissociated and disconnected from the outside world. Even if I move my limbs around I still can't judge accurately where they are in relation to my body. It's much different from dissociation I've experienced on DXM or nitrous or extremely retardedly baked... It's more of a feeling of just being a torso and a head, instead of feeling like you're just a consciousness. Oh, and this is the best part: there's also a significant rush of euphoria and beautiful CEVs during this part of the trip.
But that's all good... here begins the (to me) really interesting part.
I've been an almost everyday toker since the summer of 2009, but quit smoking weed non-socially last Thursday.
Well, at 1 pm today I drank a cup of tea from one nutmeg nut, organic grown, very fresh and strongly smelling so probably very potent, weighing 2.8 grams. I had another cup from a 2.1 gram nut at 3 pm.
At 4 pm I dosed 10 drops of elemi oil sub-lingually...
...and I drank a 20-drop elemi oil milkshake at 7 pm.
I was feeling the nutmeg in less than 20 minutes (as usual, I think some sub-lingual myristicin absorbtion happens) and I am completely and utterly convinced this was not a placebo effect. My cannabis cravings disappeared immediately, and my mind switched from feeling like a billion Ferraris overcrowding a superhighway to feeling like a rainbow-colored VW beetle happily strolling along the scenic route. Nothing more happened until I started the next cup of nutmeg tea, at which point the mellow feeling intensified and I started feeling slightly "megged out", for me that means dry mouth, dry eyes, slightly blurry vision, a light non-painful and ignorable throbbing in the back of my head, and very slight but noticable mood lift with transient euphoria.
This kept intensifying until around 6:30, where I suddenly became quite stimulated. I'd been a bit tired all day despite having slept well, but suddenly I felt weird and I kicked into gear, I was moving around like I usually only do on MDMA or speed, I was cleaning the fuck out of everything, doing fifteen things at once and keeping track of them all, I spoke to my dad for half an hour on the phone telling him about me quitting my everyday cannabis use and a lot of other stuff that's currently going on in my life, and after that I played two games of Red Alert 2 against him that I dominated so brutally as I ever have - I was all over the map, again doing a million things at once but keeping track of them all... It was awesome. And holy fuck am I still stimulated. I mean, have you seen the length of this post? Did you see that run-on sentence I just wrote, I mean, holy fuck, this shit really works, and it's different.
That's my point. It's much, much different from when I toyed with the same things while smoking every day. And oh the euphoria. Holy crap this feels good. It's like a warm, happy feeling that radiates out from my spine into my stomach and all the way into my thighs. It comes in a ten-second wave every couple minutes or so. It's not rushy at all, but actually mellowing and relaxing. My body is completely relaxed, sedated and mellowed out right now, but my mind is moving at lightning speeds, and in the good way, not in the "ferraris clutting up the highway" way.
This is of course only the first of my trials with combined nutmeg and elemi oil (no pepper, remember that!) after ceasing my everyday smoking, but I am almost convinced that my liver was, before, busy with processing the cannabinoids and their gazillion metabolites, and therefore unable to properly metabolize the elemi oil into what I want it to be metabolized into.
The funny thing is that I've usually only been using nutmeg when I have run out of weed for a few days and the cravings have set in (psychological cravings, I know, but cravings nonetheless), so I wasn't aware of the huge difference because I simply hadn't had a reason to combine the two (nutmeg and cannabis) before I started with my elemi oil trials, which were unrelated to lack of cannabis and simply due to curiosity.
It seems likely to me that most or at least a significant percentage of people who try nutmeg are fresh out of weed, browsing the web looking for some household spice to get high from instead when they discover nutmeg, and thus try it with their livers still working on cannabinoids and associated metabolites. This would lead to a situation where you have the people using nutmeg without anything else in their bodies, getting one effect, and people using nutmeg with busy livers, getting other, shittier effects, and doubting that nutmeg is worth it at all.
If you also take into account the common gene polymorphisms that affect liver enzyme concentration and function, it's no doubt that there is so much discussion about whether or not nutmeg is worthwhile!
I also believe that many people who simply chew it, or grind/chop it coarsely and gulp it down with a liquid, and not extracting the active constituents quickly enough for the blood concentration to rise quickly enough. It's well known that the rate of change of a drug's blood concentration contributes significantly to the perceived effects, not the absolute concentration alone. This article is about midazolam, but you can find similar articles about other drugs, too. I don't know if this holds true for all drugs, but if it does for nutmeg, then you need to absorb the active constituents as quickly as possible - and this is why I always make a tea. I finely chop the nuts and simmer them in a 1½ mugfulls of water for 30-45 minutes - eventually there's only a one mug's worth of water left and I pour the tea, with sludge and all, into the mug - sweeten it plentyfully - and drink the tea. Then I spoon out the sludge and chew it thoroughly, swishing it all over my mouth and keeping some of it under my tongue. I swear I feel the come-up starting only fifteen minutes after finishing the tea, with more effects kicking in 3-7 hours later (depending on stomach contents).
Take from this what you want, but I think it's interesting! Thanks for reading. May peace be with you.
I had discovered elemi oil as so many other people, eventually finding 69ron's posts, and reading through several threads on shroomery, dmtnexus and other places. I ordered a 30 ml bottle and began my trials. Prior to this I was light/moderately experienced with nutmeg (15-20 uses), as well as having tried a plethora of other substances.
I found the aforementioned thread, starting experimenting with adding pepper to my experiences, and now this.
I'd had an "alright" experience with elemi and nutmeg along with black pepper about a week prior, where I ended up feeling pretty stimulated in my body but not in my mind, and not ordinarily megged out.. just strange, but I did experience this one feeling that I have now been getting every time I've dosed a significant amount of elemi. It usually only comes once during the "trip" (I don't like to call it that, but "experience" takes so long to type), and it seems like it may be the peak, usually occurring 3-5 hours into the trip. It's as if I suffer a slow loss of proprioception over the course of 10-15 seconds. If I then close my eyes, I feel completely dissociated and disconnected from the outside world. Even if I move my limbs around I still can't judge accurately where they are in relation to my body. It's much different from dissociation I've experienced on DXM or nitrous or extremely retardedly baked... It's more of a feeling of just being a torso and a head, instead of feeling like you're just a consciousness. Oh, and this is the best part: there's also a significant rush of euphoria and beautiful CEVs during this part of the trip.
But that's all good... here begins the (to me) really interesting part.
I've been an almost everyday toker since the summer of 2009, but quit smoking weed non-socially last Thursday.
Well, at 1 pm today I drank a cup of tea from one nutmeg nut, organic grown, very fresh and strongly smelling so probably very potent, weighing 2.8 grams. I had another cup from a 2.1 gram nut at 3 pm.
At 4 pm I dosed 10 drops of elemi oil sub-lingually...
...and I drank a 20-drop elemi oil milkshake at 7 pm.
I was feeling the nutmeg in less than 20 minutes (as usual, I think some sub-lingual myristicin absorbtion happens) and I am completely and utterly convinced this was not a placebo effect. My cannabis cravings disappeared immediately, and my mind switched from feeling like a billion Ferraris overcrowding a superhighway to feeling like a rainbow-colored VW beetle happily strolling along the scenic route. Nothing more happened until I started the next cup of nutmeg tea, at which point the mellow feeling intensified and I started feeling slightly "megged out", for me that means dry mouth, dry eyes, slightly blurry vision, a light non-painful and ignorable throbbing in the back of my head, and very slight but noticable mood lift with transient euphoria.
This kept intensifying until around 6:30, where I suddenly became quite stimulated. I'd been a bit tired all day despite having slept well, but suddenly I felt weird and I kicked into gear, I was moving around like I usually only do on MDMA or speed, I was cleaning the fuck out of everything, doing fifteen things at once and keeping track of them all, I spoke to my dad for half an hour on the phone telling him about me quitting my everyday cannabis use and a lot of other stuff that's currently going on in my life, and after that I played two games of Red Alert 2 against him that I dominated so brutally as I ever have - I was all over the map, again doing a million things at once but keeping track of them all... It was awesome. And holy fuck am I still stimulated. I mean, have you seen the length of this post? Did you see that run-on sentence I just wrote, I mean, holy fuck, this shit really works, and it's different.
That's my point. It's much, much different from when I toyed with the same things while smoking every day. And oh the euphoria. Holy crap this feels good. It's like a warm, happy feeling that radiates out from my spine into my stomach and all the way into my thighs. It comes in a ten-second wave every couple minutes or so. It's not rushy at all, but actually mellowing and relaxing. My body is completely relaxed, sedated and mellowed out right now, but my mind is moving at lightning speeds, and in the good way, not in the "ferraris clutting up the highway" way.
This is of course only the first of my trials with combined nutmeg and elemi oil (no pepper, remember that!) after ceasing my everyday smoking, but I am almost convinced that my liver was, before, busy with processing the cannabinoids and their gazillion metabolites, and therefore unable to properly metabolize the elemi oil into what I want it to be metabolized into.
The funny thing is that I've usually only been using nutmeg when I have run out of weed for a few days and the cravings have set in (psychological cravings, I know, but cravings nonetheless), so I wasn't aware of the huge difference because I simply hadn't had a reason to combine the two (nutmeg and cannabis) before I started with my elemi oil trials, which were unrelated to lack of cannabis and simply due to curiosity.
It seems likely to me that most or at least a significant percentage of people who try nutmeg are fresh out of weed, browsing the web looking for some household spice to get high from instead when they discover nutmeg, and thus try it with their livers still working on cannabinoids and associated metabolites. This would lead to a situation where you have the people using nutmeg without anything else in their bodies, getting one effect, and people using nutmeg with busy livers, getting other, shittier effects, and doubting that nutmeg is worth it at all.
If you also take into account the common gene polymorphisms that affect liver enzyme concentration and function, it's no doubt that there is so much discussion about whether or not nutmeg is worthwhile!
I also believe that many people who simply chew it, or grind/chop it coarsely and gulp it down with a liquid, and not extracting the active constituents quickly enough for the blood concentration to rise quickly enough. It's well known that the rate of change of a drug's blood concentration contributes significantly to the perceived effects, not the absolute concentration alone. This article is about midazolam, but you can find similar articles about other drugs, too. I don't know if this holds true for all drugs, but if it does for nutmeg, then you need to absorb the active constituents as quickly as possible - and this is why I always make a tea. I finely chop the nuts and simmer them in a 1½ mugfulls of water for 30-45 minutes - eventually there's only a one mug's worth of water left and I pour the tea, with sludge and all, into the mug - sweeten it plentyfully - and drink the tea. Then I spoon out the sludge and chew it thoroughly, swishing it all over my mouth and keeping some of it under my tongue. I swear I feel the come-up starting only fifteen minutes after finishing the tea, with more effects kicking in 3-7 hours later (depending on stomach contents).
Take from this what you want, but I think it's interesting! Thanks for reading. May peace be with you.
