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Novel, out of box thinking, ways to separate d-meth from l isomer and other psychoactive contaminants

yaesutom

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I am trying to think of potential ways of purifying cartel meth so it’s closer to pure D isomer. I’m tired of the variation and side effects. I think even if there is only 7% levo isomer that seems to be enough to raise BP and “ruin” it. If it’s not the tiny bit of levo then it is something else in it. Btw.. the supposedly DEA analysis saying it’s “99% pure” probably doesn’t test for isomers, and you know how law enforcement loves to put their hand on the scale in whichever direction makes them appear better and worthy of more funding. When they say “purer than ever” it gets the soccer moms mad etc.

It’s like DMT… even 1% impurities can totally ruin the effects with potent mystery compounds.

Can we take advantage of any differences in solubility of L isomer and D in various solvents or water? They have the same molecular weight so maybe they boil and condense at the same temps (I’m not sure). People sometimes like to use water bongs to smoke meth - even though meth is soluble in water. So obviously some is lost but… maybe MORE of the impurities get absorbed by the water faster than meth absorbs? Is there any difference between D and L isomer? Does anyone feel like meth smoked thru water bong feels cleaner?

What about making a bong not using water but have it bubble through PG or VG (like what e cigs use)? Or something else relatively safe for human consumption but that MIGHT absorb Levomethamphetamine faster than Dextromethamphetamine. Or might absorb those mystery compounds more than d-meth? Even if some d-meth is lost (it’s so cheap who cares).

We can’t let the cartel impurities ruin meth there must be a way via much experimentation. Meth is cheap enough where I bet if people just think outside the box we can figure out how to take out more of the junk and leave more pure Dextro.

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I noticed when I consume meth orally, it feels closer to pure dextro IF the dose is kept low. I think some of the extra psychoactive junk maybe gets filtered out (but not totally, just enough to notice it being cleaner) more when eaten. Or maybe it’s because more meth gets metabolized into dextroamphetamine.

I was thinking about GC/MS machines - I actually don’t know how they work other than a tiny bit I read about different compounds having different weights and it got me thinking about how every compound has different freezing and boiling points…. What about making a device with an Arduino and super accurate thermostats and some kind of tube where there is a gradient of a temperature difference along the tube. Have the arduino control a hot plate that slowly raises the temp, the different compounds including d and l meth will evaporate and then condense inside this tube but I’m thinking they will separate along the tube depending on compound. Anyone understand what I’m trying to think?

Then in theory you could figure out how where along the tube the d-methamphetamine is condensed and scrape it off. Possible?
 
I still think the issue is butylamphetamine and related amphetamine like impurities. The research backs it up too. This would also make sense as to why folks claim orally it’s not as bad as other ROA’s.

Bupropion is somewhat related being a “butyl substitution cathinone” and we see it has garbage oral BA, but becomes much more psychoactive when snorted, smoked or IV’ed.

If racemic meth was garbage everyone pre-late 90’s would’ve hated it, but we see folks back then talk like it was better than pure D isomer. Racemic isn’t the problem, it’s some garbage impurities (likely in small amounts like you said) causing issues.

-GC
 
Yeah as far as what the impurities are it still seems to be a mystery. There is quite some variation between different batches and I have no idea what to make of it.

Some meth increases my blood pressure to scary levels even at smallish doses… like 150-160/90, then another batch doesn’t affect it… feeling great like I’m on 80mg Dexedrine without jitters and getting a reading of 120/80 at a doctors office.
 
You can most easily get dextro, levo or racemic meth by controlling the type of ephedrine (there are 4 different ephedrines) used as the precursor.
 
Then your speed will have not one but 2 methyl groups on the N, and according to Alexander Shulgin, will only be 1/10th as strong.
 
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