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Hello, I came across this paper today and I think it is very important regarding the dangers of the fentanyl analogs.

Basically rapid administration of fentanyl can cause "wooden chest syndrome", which is a failure of diaphragm and upper airway muscles.

This effect is not mediated by mu opioid receptors (anesthesiologists deal with this via anti-nicotinic parylitics). This occurs at dosage levels that would not produce death by respiratory depression alone. Morphinan opioids do not produce this effect at recreational dosage levels.

This effect occurs 1-2 minutes after injection and lasts for 8-15 minutes. This can synergize with the respiratory depression effects of fentanyl, making what would be considered a sub-lethal dose into a lethal dose.

Worst thing is this effect is not responsive to naloxone or other mu opioid antagonists. It also complicates recussitation via cpr.

This effect looks to be mediated by both alpha 1 adrenergic receptors and nicotinic acetylcholine receptors. Unfortunately, pre medication with antagonists of either receptor would increase respiratory depression.

The best way to avoid this syndrome seems to be slow administration of the dose, as it is both dose and rate dependant.

This is another good reason to avoid fentanyl containing preparations as it seems unique to this class of opioids (though i would not assume it doesn't happen with other ultra strong opioids such as the nitazenes, until data indicates otherwise).

From article:
WCS has occasionally been encountered following as little as 50 µg fentanyl given intravenously, can emerge in less than 2 minutes, last up to 15 minutes, and appears to cause death with a more accelerated time course than respiratory depression

Noradrenergic mechanisms in fentanyl-mediated rapid death explain failure of naloxone in the opioid crisis

I'm stickying this thread because I think it has extreme harm reduction value.
 
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Scary... do you have any sense of how common this is?
A paper referenced in the review demonstrates this happening in 6 out of 12 volunteers (how does one sign up for one of those studies? ) receiving 150 micrograms/min until a total of 15 micrograms/kg had been administered.

Results summary
Results: The incidence of muscular rigidity was 50% (6/12). All subjects who developed rigidity were apneic, unresponsive, and had no recall of commands to breathe or of positive pressure ventilation. Subjects not developing rigidity remained awake and responsive. No subject developing rigidity required neuromuscular blockade to allow positive pressure ventilation and adequate oxygenation (Spo2 > 90%). When rigidity occurred, it started 3 +/- 0.9 (range 1-4) min after the peak plasma fentanyl concentration and lasted for 11.5 +/- 5.8 (range 7-23) min. Rigidity started at a plasma fentanyl concentration of 21.5 +/- 4.4 (range 16-28) ng/ml and ended at 6.9 +/- 1.5 (range 5.2-8.7) ng/ml. Baseline HR was less in the subjects who subsequently developed rigidity (56.7 +/- 7.8 vs. 67.2 +/- 7.8 P = 0.04). No differences in fentanyl plasma concentrations or predicted effect site concentrations for rigidity were detected between subjects who developed rigidity and those who did not.

If you look at figure 2 in the paper (free pdf), it shows that the rigidity occurs after the peak concentrations start dropping.

Honestly, the high prevalence of this effect is kind of confusing, as it seems like quite an emergancy. An interesting note is that the rigid people were unresponsive, maybe this is the characteristic fentanyl blackout that people describe getting.

I am going to delve more into this.

Fentanyl-induced rigidity and unconsciousness in human volunteers. Incidence, duration, and plasma concentrations
 
It’s the only opiate I’ve ever truly felt worrisome breathing with… I remember fighting hard to breath the first time I tried it, and had this scary sensation if I let myself nod off I might die. Never felt that with any of the many other opiates I’ve tried. Great thread, finally brings light as to why the respiratory depression is so intense with fent.

-GC
 
I’ve never done fent, that’s sad that it’s so dangerous and easy to get, very bad combo
 
Honestly, the high prevalence of this effect is kind of confusing, as it seems like quite an emergancy. An interesting note is that the rigid people were unresponsive, maybe this is the characteristic fentanyl blackout that people describe getting.
Thanks for posting the expanded version.

Yes, that is confusing – I thought it was life-threatening, so I'd wondered "how common" it was as a cause of death, essentially, compared to the universe of fentanyl ODs (or related deaths). But 50% incidence for the phenomenon is surprising... and 15mcg/kg is only 1mg of fentanyl for a 145lb user – probably 1/2 or less of a typical bag/pill on the street.
 
Thanks for posting the expanded version.

Yes, that is confusing – I thought it was life-threatening, so I'd wondered "how common" it was as a cause of death, essentially, compared to the universe of fentanyl ODs (or related deaths). But 50% incidence for the phenomenon is surprising... and 15mcg/kg is only 1mg of fentanyl for a 145lb user – probably 1/2 or less of a typical bag/pill on the street.
Yeah, honestly I feel like I'm missing some part of the story.
 
Yeah, honestly I feel like I'm missing some part of the story.
Here's something suggesting how prevalent it could be, though only by inference:

The exact prevalence of WCS among users of F/FAs is not known. But in a single-centre study of 1,581 opioid overdoses, 31.4% (n = 497) were identified as being atypical in presentation, and the most common atypical feature was muscle rigidity (15.2%).19 In a 2015 study of 48 fentanyl-related overdose deaths in a U.S. county, 42% of autopsies showed no appreciable amount of the major metabolite of fentanyl (norfentanyl).20 The lack of metabolite in the blood suggests a rapid death (insufficient time for formation of metabolite). Consistent with this, the metabolite levels did not always correspond to the levels of F/FAs in the serum. Because of the rapid speed of onset of WCS by F/FAs, a concentration as low as 1–2 ng/ ml can be fatal.20

From this article: Wooden Chest syndrome: The atypical pharmacology of fentanyl overdose
 
Here's something suggesting how prevalent it could be, though only by inference:



From this article: Wooden Chest syndrome: The atypical pharmacology of fentanyl overdose
Holy shit!

This is pretty fair supporting evidence for the hypothesis that this contributes to fatalities with fentanyl.

I am not yet ready to sound any further alarms, but I will reach out to some folks in anesthesiology and get some professional opinions.

I really wonder if there are any ways to decrease this risk...
 
Holy shit!

This is pretty fair supporting evidence for the hypothesis that this contributes to fatalities with fentanyl.

I am not yet ready to sound any further alarms, but I will reach out to some folks in anesthesiology and get some professional opinions.

I really wonder if there are any ways to decrease this risk...

maybe users could have epi pens next to their narcan

Would that help?
 
maybe users could have epi pens next to their narcan

Would that help?
It would likely make it worse. This effect is thought to be caused by adrenaline release in a specific area of the brain (the locus coeruleus).

The problem with doing the opposite and taking drugs that block those receptors would be that they would increase the danger of respiratory depression.
 
It would likely make it worse. This effect is thought to be caused by adrenaline release in a specific area of the brain (the locus coeruleus).

The problem with doing the opposite and taking drugs that block those receptors would be that they would increase the danger of respiratory depression.

Are you saying adrenergic antagonists would also suppress respiration?

-GC
 
I really wonder if there are any ways to decrease this risk...
The first article mentioned clonidine possibly helping, as well as prazosin. I associate clonidine with a higher risk of OD due to CNS depression but if it were paired with naloxone I guess that's not an issue.

I'd want to do more research first, but if I were shooting fentanyl (again) I'd consider micron-filtering a few clonidine tablets and having the solution on hand to inject alongside Narcan...

Edit: I see this has been discussed and the respiratory depression issue has been raised. What about clonidine/prazosin followed by yohimbine after a few minutes?
 
The first stock article mentioned clonidine possibly helping, as well as prazosin. I associate clonidine with a higher risk of OD due to CNS depression but if it were paired with naloxone I guess that's not an issue.

I'd want to do more research first, but if I were shooting fentanyl (again) I'd consider micron-filtering a few clonidine tablets and having the solution on hand to inject alongside Narcan...
I'm not sure how effective this would be / how risky it could be.

My main worry is that wcs seems to cause total unresponsiveness, so somebody experiencing it wouldn't be able to treat themselves.

Second, I would be very conservative about reccomending treatments that will increase the severity of respiratory/cardiac depression. Slamming clonidine seems like it could seriously drop cardiorespiratory drive.

Honestly best advice i currently have (which is likely not super feasible) is don't use alone, and have a positive pressure bag mask so that the observer can force respiration. These can be bought online.
 
The first stock article mentioned clonidine possibly helping, as well as prazosin. I associate clonidine with a higher risk of OD due to CNS depression but if it were paired with naloxone I guess that's not an issue.

I'd want to do more research first, but if I were shooting fentanyl (again) I'd consider micron-filtering a few clonidine tablets and having the solution on hand to inject alongside Narcan...

You beat me to it, was gonna write this very thing. It seems that a cocktail with naloxone might negate the problems with respiration. It’s kind of a weighing of what’s worse from what I see.

I guess my next question would be, alpha 1 adrenergic antagonism alone how often does decreased respiration lead to death?

-GC
 
It’s the only opiate I’ve ever truly felt worrisome breathing with… I remember fighting hard to breath the first time I tried it, and had this scary sensation if I let myself nod off I might die. Never felt that with any of the many other opiates I’ve tried. Great thread, finally brings light as to why the respiratory depression is so intense with fent.

-GC
I had this exact experience.

I had never worried about my breathing while nodding out on regular heroin or any other opiate. I always innately knew I was safe.

My first time with fentanyl had me reaching for naloxone that I had been given months previously. I didn't use it of course, but I felt like I needed to be near it because the nod & sensation of "if I nod out, i'm not gonna live" was too overwhelming. It was my first time ever feeling 'scared' on an opioid.


Lost a lot of friends to this garbage, who seem to had been doing fine for decades on regular diacetylmorphine. But once fentanyl started replacing heroin, they all started dropping like flies. It's pretty insane and could have been absolutely prevented if it weren't for prohibition & the drug war.




Great post @Skorpio !
 
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