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[NEWS] Jail for bid to make ecstasy 11/2/04

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Jail for bid to make ecstasy

11feb04

A LENAH Valley man who set up a laboratory in his bedroom to make the party drug ecstasy was yesterday jailed in the Supreme Court in Hobart.

Paul Phillip Bailey, 40, was convicted of possessing chemicals, equipment and books of instructions needed to manufacture the drug, also known as MDMA.

Chief Justice William Cox said Bailey had acquired all but two of the chemicals needed to produce a potential 4600 tablets of the drug.

And Justice Cox said Bailey had the necessary equipment, instructions and starting agent.

"Whether he had the skill to realise the full-potential product and the contacts and/or personality to market what he did produce, I cannot say," he said.

While no drugs were produced, there was a need to send a clear message of deterrence to others who might want to copy Bailey, Justice Cox said.

"He has led a sad, introverted life in recent years, suffering from significant health problems and social isolation," he said.

"Any prison sentence will impact harshly upon him."

Justice Cox said it was unlikely Bailey would reoffend.

He sentenced Bailey to nine months in jail, suspending six months on the condition he was of good behaviour for two years after being released from prison.

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Jesus only 9 months? I presume he hasn't done it before but what if he had?

While no drugs were produced, there was a need to send a clear message of deterrence to others who might want to copy Bailey, Justice Cox said.

Nicely done with that one hahah.
 
haste said:
"He has led a sad, introverted life in recent years, suffering from significant health problems and social isolation," he said.

I hope they took that into account when sentencing him... All too often drug traffickers/producers seem to be simply seen as 'the devil' with no concessions made for their psychological and physical health.
 
I think they only reserve that for murderers and rapists - you know the more deserving of understanding 8)
 
Lot of drug laws are pretty weak in Tassie, because Tassie government prisons aren't big enough, and they havent got enough federal budget, to build more prisons. Thats why they "sorta" of descriminalise weed, to cut the number of people going to court and prison.

I know Chief Justice William Cox, he came to my school and did a speech for my legal studies, as I asked him a lot of pot-related laws questions, and he was actually very helpful and answered all my questions. =D
 
haste said:
Jail for bid to make ecstasy

11feb04

A LENAH Valley man who set up a laboratory in his bedroom to make the party drug ecstasy was yesterday jailed in the Supreme Court in Hobart.

I've been saying for awhile that small time attempts at producing MDMA will increase with the number of imports intercepted by authorities. While this has been relatively slow to surface, at least when looking at reported lab busts, the numbers have nevertheless been slowly increasing over the past year or 2. I believe the future will likely see far greater numbers of people venturing or attempting to venture into the world of MDMA production.

Paul Phillip Bailey, 40, was convicted of possessing chemicals, equipment and books of instructions needed to manufacture the drug, also known as MDMA.

Chief Justice William Cox said Bailey had acquired all but two of the chemicals needed to produce a potential 4600 tablets of the drug.

And Justice Cox said Bailey had the necessary equipment, instructions and starting agent.

mmm...there seems to be a lot missing from that statement, or perhaps I'm seeing it more that the evidence hardly seems to indicate a crime has been committed. But I suppose intent counts for a lot 8)

I do wonder though, just exactly what did the equipment comprised of and how was it determined that it was intended to be used for making MDMA? Was there proof it had been used for this purpose before (traces on the glassware) or simply deduced because other items, including books, were found?

The interesting thing about the second statement, is that, like the guestimation approach police use to determine the value of seized drugs, reality says that depending upon what methods are used in production, efficiency of the processes may mean as little as 10% of the starting material is actually turned into MDMA. Details details....

What were those 2 chemicals needed? Obviously they must have been difficult to obtain chemicals. In any synthesis, a chemical missing means there is no synthesis. It's just not possible, and another route means more chemicals. So while he may have had several chemicals, some glassware, and books, each of those chemicals is hardly a drug or can become one, and depending upon the route used, each of those chemicals has perfectly legal and reasonable uses around the home, office or workshop.

So, if we took the books out of the equation would there have been enough evidence to convict him? Probably, but possibly not.

But then again, what about someone who does cosmetics and essential oils at home. Someone who owns some laboratory glassware and measurement equipment, and also owns a copy of PiHKAL? That person may very well also fit the description for the crime and could well be charged with something similar. Anyone see where I'm going with this?


Seeing that, if conditions and routes were carefully selected, equipment could be substituted for common kitchen gear, would possession of a small amount of safrole and instructions therefore constitute an equal crime? One would certainly hope not. Incidentally, regarding theoretical maximums in production; only around 500mL of safrole would be required to produce the amounts mentioned. I know dog owners who wash their pets with a sassafras / detergent mixture for fleas and lice. I'd bet there would be those with such in their possession for completely innocent purposes.





"Whether he had the skill to realise the full-potential product and the contacts and/or personality to market what he did produce, I cannot say," he said.

The first part of this should have been proven IMO, although the law says otherwise. Intent is a difficult thing to prove beyond doubt, but with such high penalties involved I believe justice isn't done without it. Marketing is a different matter all together - he'd been charged with intent to produce.

While no drugs were produced, there was a need to send a clear message of deterrence to others who might want to copy Bailey, Justice Cox said.

It's perfectly understandable a magistrate or judge would feel its his duty to act in this way, but it doesn't take much to remember the first penalties imposed for growing pot, and how that was supposed to be a clear message of deterrence. Many suffered jail sentences that would now be given a little talk by community workers.

With the ever-growing need for local production in effort to circumvent seizures by customs, there will be more of this to follow. I don't think our jails will ever be as they were in the peak of the pot period, but I wouldn't mind betting they'll increase substantially with manufacturing convicted inmates. And what better place to find out all one needs to know about the next time, than in jail with fellow psychonautic dissidents of chemistry. They'll no-doubt rekindle any pre-reform interest in the subject.


"He has led a sad, introverted life in recent years, suffering from significant health problems and social isolation," he said.

So who's to say - in light of expected product weight i.e. not 400 something grams, but perhaps 10-15% of that - that he wasn't simply intending to make the stuff for himself?

This is where sentencing needs to fairly distinguish between producing for personal or otherwise. Sure the above amount still looks a little high for personal use, but if the amount was only based upon one chemical - the starting material - then this is very unfair. While I think it's reasonable and to some degree necessary, that big producers are targeted by police, and that sentencing is in some ways fair for the dollars involved, it doesn't equate to the same as Joe Unhappy, thinking about saving money on the only thing which lifts the veil of isolation and allows him to feel a part of humanity.

"Any prison sentence will impact harshly upon him."

Justice Cox said it was unlikely Bailey would reoffend.

He sentenced Bailey to nine months in jail, suspending six months on the condition he was of good behaviour for two years after being released from prison.

So suspend all but 3 months of his detention. 3 months should be just enough time to learn a few new tricks and re-spur his interest in knocking up some temporary happiness 8)
 
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Despite the magistrate's comments on the guy's introversion and isolation, it's a fair bet he would've spoken to one or 2 other people at least. Presumably this raid came after a period of surveillance.

There's not a lot of information, but clearly they are simply charging him with intent.

Comments on sentencing are up.
 
Thanks for the link SeveredPsyche.

Now knowing that he had the remaining chemicals on order does throw some light on the matter, making intent rather difficult to disprove.

Still, it does make one think of the future - Minority Report?.

This offence did not produce any illicit drug, let alone any identifiable quantity of it and it did not involve any actual sale or trafficking. It is more akin to an attempt than to a complete criminal activity. But it is clear that Parliament views seriously activities of this nature and there is a need to send a clear message of deterrence to others minded to emulate them.

Just so long as your thoughts remain your own I guess 8(

Dream Police by Cheap Trick - 1979

The dream police, they live inside of my head.
The dream police, they come to me in my bed.
The dream police, they're coming to arrest me, oh no.

You know that talk is cheap, and those rumors ain't nice.
And when I fall asleep I don't think I'll survive the night, the night.

'Cause they're waiting for me.
They're looking for me.
Ev'ry single night they're driving me insane.
Those men inside my brain.

The dream police, they live inside of my head.
(Live inside of my head.)
The dream police, they come to me in my bed.
(Come to me in my bed.)
The dream police, they're coming to arrest me, oh no.

Well, I can't tell lies, 'cause they're listening to me.
And when I fall asleep, bet they're spying on me tonight, tonight.

'Cause they're waiting for me.
They're looking for me.
Ev'ry single night they're driving me insane.
Those men inside my brain.

I try to sleep, they're wide awake, they won't leave me alone.
They don't get paid to take vacations, or let me alone.
They spy on me, I try to hide, they won't let me alone.
They persecute me, they're the judge and jury all in one.

'Cause they're waiting for me.
They're looking for me.
Ev'ry single night they're driving me insane.
Those men inside my brain.

The dream police, they live inside of my head.
The dream police, they come to me in my bed.
The dream police, they're coming to arrest me.

Couldn't help myself =D
 
In all fairness I should add that if he wasn't already being watched due to some previous association or as a followup to his pot offence (SeveredPsyche's link), then it could have been as simple as him ordering one single chemical in Cat 1 of the Chemical Diversion List (which contains known precursors and chemicals used in drug manufacturing).

Even if he had purchased all the chemicals from different suppliers, he would, by rights, have had to sign an EUD (end user declaration) for sassafras, palladium salts, methylamine and possibly others depending upon the route selected.

National policy recommends that sales of Cat 1 chemicals be restricted to account holders only, but afaik not all companys' bother to enforce this. All companies however, are likely to forward EUD's to the distributor, as they must also account completely for the fate of the product. It is very likely a "hot" chem like sassafras would be picked up. It would then take little effort to track down other chemical sales to the same guy, even if sourced from different places.

I just can't understand the mentality of anyone who would ignorantly walk into a chem supplier and inquire about resticted chems with the intent of making drugs, particularly if that enquiry happened to mention more than 1 item in the synthesis. But then again, I bet there are those who've successfully got away with such activities. Like most things, it's more to do with the manner of the enquiry :\
 
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