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NEWS Article - Fantasy damage rising: doctors

ruski

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Hi Guys,
Even though this is a Herald article it seems well reported and not as propaganderish as normal so I posted it. The other reason I posted it is because the people mentioned are related to close friends of mine and also my cousins attended this funeral in Auckland as they were close friends with the Brenner family there. I am also related ot the Brenner's mentioned here in my family tree, although they are not blood relatives of mine and I have not met them. It hit a little close to home this time, not too close, but pretty close.
They are from the same country, with the same religious background and sit somewhere in my family tree so it was pretty scary when I got this forwarded from my dad this morning. I don't know how I should feel at the moment, but it sure makes me want to take it very easy, especially considering how my dad reacted as though I was the one that was dead.
It highlights the dangers of 1,4-B I suppose even though we all know them but it seems as though some people don't and hence the NZ government is now going to schedule the substance.
Fantasy damage rising: doctors
01.05.2001 By SCOTT INGLIS
Thirty-six people wound up in hospital this year after taking designer drug
Fantasy and a related drug - seven more than for the whole of last year.
Of the 36, seven were critically ill and now one has died.
The 29 last year was up on 1999's total of 21.
Doctors warn that the number of admissions will continue skyrocketing and more
people will die unless attitudes to the "lethal" drug change.
Auckland Hospital released the figures to the Herald after student Shawn Jacob
Brenner, aged 22, died after taking Fantasy on Friday night.
Mr Brenner's death is believed to be the first from the party drug in New Zealand
and Australia and comes as the Government considers making it and related drugs
illegal under the Misuse of Drugs Act and the Health Ministry steps up its education
programme on them.
Paramedics were called to Mr Brenner's Ponsonby home and found his heart had
stopped. While they were trying to restart it, other people in the house alerted
them to his girlfriend, who had nearly stopped breathing after also taking Fantasy.
Mr Brenner, an Auckland University engineering student and son of prominent
gynaecologist Dr Bernie Brenner, died in hospital on Saturday and was buried
in Glen Eden yesterday.
Police are investigating.
A family friend, Dr Allan Pelkowitz, described Mr Brenner as a "lovely young
guy, very friendly."
"These drugs are quite insidious. I'm quite sure that he would have believed
what he was doing was safe."
The hospital figures were for people who had overdosed on Fantasy - which is
illegal without a prescription under the Medicines Act - and its counterpart
One4B, a dietary supplement containing 1,4 butanediol.
One4B converts into Fantasy - also known as GBH or Liquid Ecstasy - when processed
by the body.
The Health Ministry ordered that One4B be withdrawn from sale after four people
were admitted to hospital this year after taking it.
The substance 1,4 butanediol is also found in a compact disc and tape cleaning
solution called Puretech and is still marketed by a Timaru importer.
Auckland Hospital intensive care specialist Dr Tony Smith said Fantasy and similar
drugs "stand out compared with the number of people we see from other joy-inducing
substances."
Fantasy is popular among middle to upper-class working people aged from their
late teens to early 30s, who party at nightclubs and raves.
It costs at least $35 a dose - up to a third of the cost of its party drug cousin,
Ecstasy - and causes effects including euphoria, drowsiness, increased confidence
and dizziness.
It can also cause seizures and respiratory collapse.
"We're talking ordinary people," said Dr Smith.
"These are not scumbags, they're not low-lifes, they're not regular drug users."
He said more deaths were inevitable because there was no safe dose. People taking
Fantasy were experimenting with their lives.
A colleague, specialist emergency physician Dr Tony Holley, agreed.
"I feel we should be making a bigger effort to reach the people and tell them
this stuff is not safe.
"The average punter out there is getting misinformed."
Health Minister Annette King has said the Government plans to make Fantasy and
related drugs illegal under the Misuse of Drugs Act.
That process has two more months to go, including an experts panel and a select
committee.
Detective Senior Sergeant Colin McMurtrie, head of the Auckland drug squad,
said his team had not focused on Fantasy so far because it was not illegal under
the Misuse of Drugs Act - but would if there was a law change.
Fantasy's cheap price was working against polic, he said.
"It's cheaper than Ecstasy ... it's half the price. Do the sums; it's got to
make it attractive."
Herald Online Health
 
Oh, no... This is terrible. Be careful people. Just last tuesday a friend of mine went into a G coma, and he was no silly first time user, he knew his stuff. Sometimes no ammount of care can keep you out of trouble. He is ok, but after two days in hospital he had us pretty shaken up. Keep it in perspective, life is precious.
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The woods are dark and deep, and you have miles to go before you sleep...
 
My condolences to all those affected by this death, escpecially you ruski...
While the article does kind of make it sound like everyone who takes GHB or 1,4B is going to die, it still hits too close for comfort...
It is quite easy to get varied concentrations when you get some g, but while most of the time it might only mean you have a little too much and just go to sleep for a little while, what if the concentration is a lot stronger than normal and you end up in a lot more trouble... We'd all just better remember to not take things for granted... I know plenty of people who have been taking GHB and 1,4B for a while and are still alive and kicking, but that doesn't mean that we should assume that means it all ok... be careful...
 
Lets look for the truth.
Do they ban cars because of accidents ?
No, so they should not ban 14b
and what's this Quote"there was no safe dose"
OF COURSE THERES A SAFE DOSE!
GET YOUR DOSAGE RIGHT AND THERE SHALL BE NO WORRIES.
If only the minister could try 1,4B He'd be pushing it.
"Unless you go there you'll never ever know!"
;Darryl Somers
1,4B Heaven 4 eva
Peace
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Healing onesself heals the universe
What you are looking for you already are
 
But Oceanboy, how are you supposed to know what the 'right' dose is? ...What if you buy 1,4B from a certain source and its a certain concentration, but next time you buy it the concentration is different? Or you get it from somewhere else and the concentration is different? Or someone is used to a different concentration and they take some 1,4B from you assuming its the same thing, whereas its really a whole lot stronger?
...all of these are valid scenarios and if people aren't careful they could end up a victim of the worst case scenario... The 1,4B they take is too much/too concentrated and they end up in hospital... even if they don't die from it, it'd be a hell of a scare...
Most people here are careful enough to not end up that way, but please don't go telling people that it's safe, without telling them how... There are ways to find out exactly what the concentration is, but most people don't do this, and people could take a smaller dose than normal to see how it effects them, but do people really do this too? ...maybe we should...
I'm not that experienced with GHB and similar substances, but I've heard and experienced enough to tread carefully with these drugs...
 
"Do they ban cars because of accidents ?
No, so they should not ban 14b!"
u comparing drugz with cars?
eerrrrr....
 
Russy,
i am so sorry =~(
i dont really know what to say,i hope you and your dad are ok.
pleae hang in there, take it easy.
*gives big warm hug...and doesnt let go*
lots and lots and lots of love
kaz
xx
 
Its all good, thanks Kaz.
I think it more made my dad worry than anything, I dont think any emotion was had for the situation. He was more pointing out the dangers of such drugs, and I totally agree with Tars on the issue and I cant stress enough to people about the conc.'s of GHB/GBL/1,4B. You cant tell, no matter how smart or how cautious you are. Its a matter of a tiny little bit at a time and not being a hero.
I am guessing that these deaths are related to total ignorance, however. But the article doenst specify if they were a previous user or any useful facts like that, I have heard of people taking big gulps and ending up in a worse for wear state. Sigh, sometimes you just cant teach people anything no matter how hard you try.
As Tars said, try and find a trusted source, I know the 1,4-B that has been floating around we did know the exact concentration because it was written on the bottle by the company who produced it. But that still doesnt really give any leverage to the dosage we need to take, even erowid.org aren't sure
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Oh well. Thanks for the support guys but I think it was more of a scare seeing 'Mr. Brenner died....' ... .
 
I'd still like to know when a naturally occurring substance like GHB and a common solvent like 1,4 became "designer drugs".
 
Maybe this is a little simplistic but I got into E after a damn lot of research. I test everything I have and I'm careful. I know there are risks but it seems to me these can be minimised with E. It is harder to minimise the risks with GHB- as Tarsalan says, concentration can vary widely and can't usually be tested. My brother (like me, a doctor) was involved in resuscitating 7 people on the Gold Coast in 1995 or so from GHB. Can I humbly suggest that if you're gonna try it, you do so with someone around who is straight? Take care people, remember that in the end it's about having fun!
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"You drive," he said. "I think there's something wrong with me." - Hunter S. Thompson, "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas"
 
GHB has gotta be one of the most dangerous drugs out there. If you don't know what your doing it's easy to see how it could be lethal. However, it's heaps of fun if your cautious.
 
I think the biggest problem [as usual] is people's gung-ho attitudes to taking drugs. Overall complacency and the desire to get as fucked up as possible turns so many enjoyable nights into 8 hours of worrying that someone you know might be the next headline.
It sucks.
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There are always going to be freak occurences but I think if you're as careful as you can be then the rest is up to the hands of the gods.
It's a shame that going too far and making a little mistake can result in so much heartache for everyone, but that's why you have to be super responsible.
Hopefully this bad publicity will make everyone a bit more careful.
 
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