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News: 15/11/2002 - Life jail for 100kg ecstasy haul
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tranquilo
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Isn't it all wrong.
Perhaps history will view this catalogue of jailings like the witch trials of Salem, a capitalist era set of prosecutions intent on creating scapegoats for the 'evil' of the world.
Would'nt it be ironic if the corporate greed meisters in their fiefdoms of supply and demand stood up for people like this and gave him a job: "Well done Mr Neale, initiative and drive to meet the demands of the market...have a bonus".
[ 15 November 2002: Message edited by: tranquilo ]
Perhaps history will view this catalogue of jailings like the witch trials of Salem, a capitalist era set of prosecutions intent on creating scapegoats for the 'evil' of the world.
Would'nt it be ironic if the corporate greed meisters in their fiefdoms of supply and demand stood up for people like this and gave him a job: "Well done Mr Neale, initiative and drive to meet the demands of the market...have a bonus".
[ 15 November 2002: Message edited by: tranquilo ]
XSI11V
Bluelighter
what??? i can't believe that happened in australia. People are getting much less for murder and rape and it's not even a drug of addiction.
He must've had a hefty record of recent convictions
He must've had a hefty record of recent convictions
Chaos Butterfly
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i did hear on the radio that they are trying to set an example. saying that they had to give out a harsh sentence to deter others. apparently he will be eligible for parole in about 2028 or so.
don't quote me on that exact date though it was 202x though. (where x = a number between 0-9
)
CB.
don't quote me on that exact date though it was 202x though. (where x = a number between 0-9
)CB.
Even if he could get out in 2028 that would would mean he would be 82. Anyone happen to have stats on hand about old age (70+) and being in prison? Its 20 minutes before I finish work for the week, I simply CBF doing any more research today
Boppychick
Bluelighter
That is really a bit sad.
I feel sorry for the guy.
Sure he was doing it prolly to make a huge profit... but he doesn't deserve life imprisonment for bringing to us what we will get anyway and what brings joy to some people's lives.
I feel sorry for the guy.
Sure he was doing it prolly to make a huge profit... but he doesn't deserve life imprisonment for bringing to us what we will get anyway and what brings joy to some people's lives.
melancholic
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fuck me. he gets life, when murder and rape most often dont?
this country is ridiculous. no, scratch that, this world is ridiculous. this whole fucking society is ridiculous.
i suppose australia isnt all that bad... but i think we're heading in some fucked up directions!
this country is ridiculous. no, scratch that, this world is ridiculous. this whole fucking society is ridiculous.
i suppose australia isnt all that bad... but i think we're heading in some fucked up directions!
CONEZ
Bluelighter
Yeh well he knew the risks. In this case he got fucked on because of it. It is his own fault.
Leprechaun
Bluelighter
Well, just goes to show how the world really makes little sense in general.
And why is there a moth flying into my monitor. Really there is a moth flying into my monitor. Darn creatures of the night. MY MONITOR IS NOT THE MOON!
Back on topic.
This discussion has been had so many times, I have to agree. All of this "drug war" will look more like the witch hunts of the middle ages in perhaps another 200 years. Too late for us though.
Well, its not stopping us is it? Doesn't seem like it. 
And why is there a moth flying into my monitor. Really there is a moth flying into my monitor. Darn creatures of the night. MY MONITOR IS NOT THE MOON!
Back on topic.
This discussion has been had so many times, I have to agree. All of this "drug war" will look more like the witch hunts of the middle ages in perhaps another 200 years. Too late for us though.
Well, its not stopping us is it? Doesn't seem like it. Witch hunt yes-the USA war on drugs meets aussie,welcome to the 53rd state of the USA. Ain't it ironic that it was discovered in crates of wine-the legal drug of the masses which as we all know results in far more deaths and social disfunction that all other drugs put together.
^^ Total agreement - I've always referred to Australia as a state of the USA.
Why don't the fuckin authorities do something about violence in our schools or come down hard on speeding/drunk drivers.
It's been said before, but I can't help myself... Gang rapists, murders, all sorts of vile people are given far less severe sentences than this man.
What the fuck is society coming to...
Why don't the fuckin authorities do something about violence in our schools or come down hard on speeding/drunk drivers.
It's been said before, but I can't help myself... Gang rapists, murders, all sorts of vile people are given far less severe sentences than this man.
What the fuck is society coming to...
Dante
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At the same time, think about this.
We live in a society, which is governed by our elected representatives. They make the laws, and they are elected by the general public over the age of 18.
People that want MDMA legalised are in the minority. Hence, it won't be legal. And while we live in a country that works based on what the masses want, it's not going to happen...
There's gotta be a revolution...
We live in a society, which is governed by our elected representatives. They make the laws, and they are elected by the general public over the age of 18.
People that want MDMA legalised are in the minority. Hence, it won't be legal. And while we live in a country that works based on what the masses want, it's not going to happen...
There's gotta be a revolution...
SeveredPsyche
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People that want MDMA legalised are in the minority.
I must've missed the last referendum on this.
There's gotta be a revolution...
Here's the key. I believe there are quite a few complacent people who don't mind one way or the other. Even some regular ecstacy users just cbf getting off their arses and doing anything about the laws because they drop every weekend anyway. The smallest minority would be those willing to stop taking pills long enough to actually put some thought into the issue and hopefully action those ideas.
d e v i a n t
Bluelighter
Originally posted by tranquilo:
Isn't it all wrong.
Perhaps history will view this catalogue of jailings like the witch trials of Salem, a capitalist era set of prosecutions intent on creating scapegoats for the 'evil' of the world.
lol, agreed, id love for it to be made legal and for him to be released.. we should start a movement and picket
What i dont like is it appears the judge has considered MDMA trafficking as serious as heroin or methamphetamine trafficking.
Yes it is on the statute books as being of equal seriousness, but just like ranking the seriousness of a murder in sentencing, judges should rank the seriousness of drugs.
And i am not trying to get into an argument about individual drug users of the so called good ones against those of the so called bad one. Or that MDMA is safe etc; thats crap, and thats not the point.
When you sentence someone, it should be about punishment for what they have done, or in the case of deterrence, what acts like these can do and why we want them stopped.
So in cases of drug trafficking especially it should come down to the relative harm or potential harm to the community. Any idiot can make a respectable comparison between the harm caused by MDMA and that caused by addictive illicit drugs.
The problem is i doubt most judges know the first thing about MDMA and as its on the statute books alongside heroin, its seriousness or harm potential is considered the same. Yet at the same time u can bet not many lawyers attempt to run that argument probably because it wouldnt be allowed in or they fail to consider it.
Yes it is on the statute books as being of equal seriousness, but just like ranking the seriousness of a murder in sentencing, judges should rank the seriousness of drugs.
And i am not trying to get into an argument about individual drug users of the so called good ones against those of the so called bad one. Or that MDMA is safe etc; thats crap, and thats not the point.
When you sentence someone, it should be about punishment for what they have done, or in the case of deterrence, what acts like these can do and why we want them stopped.
So in cases of drug trafficking especially it should come down to the relative harm or potential harm to the community. Any idiot can make a respectable comparison between the harm caused by MDMA and that caused by addictive illicit drugs.
The problem is i doubt most judges know the first thing about MDMA and as its on the statute books alongside heroin, its seriousness or harm potential is considered the same. Yet at the same time u can bet not many lawyers attempt to run that argument probably because it wouldnt be allowed in or they fail to consider it.
Timmy C
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i bet a Melbourne judge would have given a better verdict!
this is seriously fucked up. people of this world need to come out of their ignorance, be independant and stand up for themselves by making an effort to have their own mind about things. why is it that people need to be told what is good and what is bad? insecurity and fear! its what society and all its governments are based on...treating people like children who dont know whats best for them..the government is the parent, looking after its children/citizens. the "parent" tells the "children" what values to adopt, which are good and which are bad, and the "children" grow up (at least alot of the time) with those values, simply because they dont have enough sense of self to rethink their values based on logic. and so the cycle repeats itself, forever compounding these beliefs into the visible mainstream of society. my fear is that this wont actually get better, that it will get WORSE, until finally there will be NO MORE DRUGS! if/when that day comes in my lifetime, i might just have to kill myself.
BigTrancer
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my fear is that this wont actually get better, that it will get WORSE, until finally there will be NO MORE DRUGS! if/when that day comes in my lifetime, i might just have to kill myself.
Never fear, there are evil scientists working around the clock to produce newer, better, stronger and more unique drugs which are not yet illegal.
BigTrancer
digital_yoda
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I have no problem with the sentence. Importation of drugs is a highly organised form of crime. Its not exactly the nicest industry to be in, and from the police i've talked to - people at this level are particularly ruthless.
Most murders are crimes of passion, whereas large drug syndicates are a systematic and real threat to the maintenance of order. I'm not arguing that MDMA and associated drugs are a threat to society at large - just that while they remain illegal they promote organisations and individuals that through they way the conduct business are a real threat.
This guy isn't any sob story - anyone at that level is a ruthless son of a bitch that deserves to be locked in jail. Just my view anyway.
Most murders are crimes of passion, whereas large drug syndicates are a systematic and real threat to the maintenance of order. I'm not arguing that MDMA and associated drugs are a threat to society at large - just that while they remain illegal they promote organisations and individuals that through they way the conduct business are a real threat.
This guy isn't any sob story - anyone at that level is a ruthless son of a bitch that deserves to be locked in jail. Just my view anyway.