Newbie Questions to cycling

Desohigh

Desohigh

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I know that everyone have the same questions in mind before starting to use gears.

- Will my natural body testosterone levels be the same like pre-juicing?

I did some research and couldn't find anything except some serious posts by some guys on the internet..

I'd like to know, if I want to be complete natural after juicing, will my natural testosterone production will be the same?

Because I'm doing this for 8 years and just came back from injury. I'm not motivated anymore and it's a disaster to see myself like this bad shape, I lost maybe 8-9kgs and started to workout again this week. I want to know because it's the time if I want to introduce gears to my body in my life, that's the right time.

In our country (Turkey) we got pharm sustanon 250mg. Maybe using testosterone only won't cause trouble comparing to 19nors.

Because heard that HCG during cycle 250iu x 2 will help to prevent the production of the body steady. I didn't believe it in the first place but my friend got his test today which is;
TESTOSTERON 663,5 280-800 ng/dl
ESTRADIOL 37,40 24 - 61 pg/ml

He had his cycle sustanon only and finish his PCT 3months ago, no drugs in his system. He's back on his natural test limits which is same as above.
 
Cycling steroids in moderation and taking proper breaks should make it so your levels will return to normal when youre done. However keep in mind the older you get they are slowly declining anyway
 
Honestly there are too many variables to take into account here. Depending on your body fat percentage, I would advise that you wait to run any AAS as doing so with a high body fat percentage can be very detrimental to your hormone levels and result in extended endocrine issues that can take months or more to straighten out. I know it's tempting to start running AAS immediately after getting back in the gym after prolonged absence. However, this is usually not a good idea and you would be better served getting into decent shape and a solid routine without AAS first, and then afterwards adding them into your routine.

As NeighborMike said, your age, bf%, eating routine, training habits, AAS dosage, frequency and time of administration all factor into what your hormone levels will look like after a cycle. Unfortunately, there's no clear cut way to predict how your body will respond to using PED.
 
I'm 27 bro, don't believe that shit effects me very much until I'm over 30-35.
Before starting juicing, I will go low bf no matter.. Reducing estrogen conversation to minimum..

Just curious about my question again after cycle if I get low T, It will be sad to the years which I prefer to stay natural.

How about HCG in cycle? Is it possible to keep the natural testosterone production going on cycle?
Is it solution to recover fast after a cycle?

Also, how does sustanon sounds for first cycle? I read in some threads Turkey sustanon is popular?
 
If your 27 9 out of 10 time your test is going and someday you will have low t anyway so im not sure why you are concerned with that
I would just use 1 test ester for your first cycle, hcg is more of something to use over lenghty cycles its said to help but i believe the results are marginal
 
Bro our perspection to life is different which is;
I care my body and it's natural testosterone production.

If you have 800-700ng/dl production and it comes to 300-350ng/dl after cycle, how you can say "why you are concerned with that"?
I don't want to have low T at 27 which I normally have the same low level at 50 years old. Yes I will have low T anyway but at around 50.

Anyway to guys who actually care to write a reply;
I personally believe HCG in cycles(250iux2) with testosterone injections will keep the natural production ongoing while keeping the nuts alive (not desynthesized) and the recovery will be much more quicker.

In my country, we got pharm grade Sustanon arimidex, nolvadex, clomid and also HCG. So I think I can buy all the gears from pharmacy. or maybe replace sustanon with test propionate for fast clearence from my system.

A quick cylce will be like; around december; (8 to 10weeks)
Test propionate EOD injections; 100mg
HCG 250iu x2 (E4D)

Stop HCG with the last injection with test prop.
After 4 days go directly to PCT
Clomid 100/50/50/50
Nolvadex 40/20/20/20

I'll get my bloodwork this month and decide whether try this cycle or postpone depending on my test levels.
 
NeighborMike said:
Cycling steroids in moderation and taking proper breaks should make it so your levels will return to normal when youre done. However keep in mind the older you get they are slowly declining anyway
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This is true, and I think it is almost recommended not to do more than 4 cycles without a serious break.
 
Desohigh said:
Bro our perspection to life is different which is;
I care my body and it's natural testosterone production.

If you have 800-700ng/dl production and it comes to 300-350ng/dl after cycle, how you can say "why you are concerned with that"?
I don't want to have low T at 27 which I normally have the same low level at 50 years old. Yes I will have low T anyway but at around 50.

Anyway to guys who actually care to write a reply;
I personally believe HCG in cycles(250iux2) with testosterone injections will keep the natural production ongoing while keeping the nuts alive (not desynthesized) and the recovery will be much more quicker.

In my country, we got pharm grade Sustanon arimidex, nolvadex, clomid and also HCG. So I think I can buy all the gears from pharmacy. or maybe replace sustanon with test propionate for fast clearence from my system.

A quick cylce will be like; around december; (8 to 10weeks)
Test propionate EOD injections; 100mg
HCG 250iu x2 (E4D)

Stop HCG with the last injection with test prop.
After 4 days go directly to PCT
Clomid 100/50/50/50
Nolvadex 40/20/20/20

I'll get my bloodwork this month and decide whether try this cycle or postpone depending on my test levels.
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I dunno what to tell you. It doesnt matter what kind of gear you use wether its from the pharmacy or not technically its all the same
Now someone might correct me because there are some here who have more of a scientific background with thins like this. But what I do know is every time you use gear you shut your natural test production down, thats a fact. So after you do this youre basically rolling the dice to see if auxiliary pct supplements can help restore you hormones to a normal level. So to the best of my knowledge there is no way to know for sure if you levels will return to normal and its a part of life your test levels drop as you get older so it might happen anyway naturally
 
NeighborMike said:
I dunno what to tell you. It doesnt matter what kind of gear you use wether its from the pharmacy or not technically its all the same
Now someone might correct me because there are some here who have more of a scientific background with thins like this. But what I do know is every time you use gear you shut your natural test production down, thats a fact. So after you do this youre basically rolling the dice to see if auxiliary pct supplements can help restore you hormones to a normal level. So to the best of my knowledge there is no way to know for sure if you levels will return to normal and its a part of life your test levels drop as you get older so it might happen anyway naturally
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Ding ding hit the nail on the head. I blast and cruise so I haven't got a worry about my levels as they're all artificial. I'm personally against pct as I feel every hormone user should be at the level of committing to this thing. Otherwise there's no real point as in a sense hormones allow you to borrow a body for their duration.
 
Really I don't know how you connect these 2 questions at once but;
To repeat again
first question is; If I ever use gear (which I will only 1cycle per year cuz I don't have any intentions to compete) does my natural production decrease after PCT?
I try to explain that your recommended usage style (you care your natural production or not) is not prefered by non competitors. I'm doing this to see better version of myself in the mirror but won't become a drug mania to see my high limits so cruise blast is not for me. You're showing excuse to repeatingly steroid use by saying" Low T is going to happen anyway" so I don't accept it.
My second question is;
IF I'm going to cycle, it will be look like the post above and what do bluelight people think about it? Because I see pharma sustanon from Turkey and PCT meds are often accepted by everyone so should I stick with that or go prop?
Third question about HCG usage during cycle. Does using HCG during cycle keeps your natural testosterone production and keeps your balls steady? Also recovery from cycle would be much more safer, transition will be painless?

So I didn't ask which one will not cause shut down!! English is not our native language so we're having this kind of misunderstandings.

Also @Serotonin101
Commitment to drug for what? If your aim is to compete yes you definitely should but if you want to look a little bit better (seasonally) there's no reason to get synthetic testosterone from outside all the time. It 's the one who use non stop roids are barrowing a body build by drugs isn't it?
 
Because its the answer to your question

There is no way to know man. Theres to may variables and nothing is certain when dealing with your hormones and trying to assume how they will or wont rebound based on things youre putting in your body

HCG is only something you should use on longer cycles it really serves no point on short ones unless youre trying to have a baby. HCG doesnt do much but stop your nuts from atrophying, your natural test shuts down anytime you use a synthetic hormone

You just said english isnt your native language but you tell us were not telling you what you want to hear? Where telling you the exact answer you dont understand what were talking about
 
Pct is more expensive than staying on. Also in my experience it sends me on a mental roller coaster that I did not enjoy at all. Also realistically each time you pct you aren't waiting long enough afterwards for complete or near complete natural production. During that time of low hormones you're losing the mass you gained and conditioning. Two steps forward and two steps back. Cycling spinning your wheels. You can get the beach body you want naturally. Hormones are for more than that.
 
Serotonin101 said:
Pct is more expensive than staying on. Also in my experience it sends me on a mental roller coaster that I did not enjoy at all. Also realistically each time you pct you aren't waiting long enough afterwards for complete or near complete natural production. During that time of low hormones you're losing the mass you gained and conditioning. Two steps forward and two steps back. Cycling spinning your wheels. You can get the beach body you want naturally. Hormones are for more than that.
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Maybe don't take as much, then a simple taper off without PCT might work better, and work out healthier in the long run.. The more you take the more you seem to get into a rut you can't get out of, endless cruise-blast of ever increasing amounts of compounds, for continual decreasing gains..

I've probably spent 37 years in gyms, and the number of individuals I would describe as a "Monster" I could probably count on the fingers or 2 hands.. plenty big cunts on gear, but "Monsters" No..... In 37 years..!!

What does that tell you.. You've either got the genetics or you haven't, no amount of gear is going to make you a "Monster", it will just make you ill..!!

Some of the biggest people I know, manage on very low doses by todays standards, 250mg/week.. They eat well, and train clever..

It should become obvious in the first year or so, if you have what it takes, if its obvious you haven't, then why chase what is unattainable, making yourself ill in the process, why not be content on [much] lower doses, and living longer in the process....

To the OP: Pharmbiak has already explained why your question is unanswerable in stating "There's no clear cut way to predict how your body will respond to using PED"..
 
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