I've been reading these forums for years but mostly on the drug side of it. I've almost never posted anything but recently I've acquired an interest in steroids and I used to lift so I decided to start posting. I have a vast knowledge of almost all recreational drugs, supplements, and a decent understanding of the mind and body but I am here to build my knowledge on steroids. So finally my questions is, how important are anti estrogens and pct if you're using just test and do you need them or are there ways to work around it?
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Anti-Estrogens, namely Aromitase Inhibitors while using some steroids are necessary if the steroid or steroids you are using happen to convert to estrogen. They stop the development of enlarged mammary glands in males, prevent lactation, inhibit bloat, and reduce sensitivity to prolactin and progesterone. Posy cycle therapy is a must for all steroids.
When using Testosterone or one of it's many esters, an aromitase inhibitor such as Anastrozole is recommended to prevent estrogen related side effects. PCT is needed in the form of Nolvadex and Clomid to stimulate natural production of testosterone, restore size and function to the testes, and to prevent side effects from estrogen from the shift in hormonal balance.
There is no way to work around it. You could run Testosterone without an Aromitase Inhibitor, some people get along fine, but why risk the moon face and bitch tits? It's a dice roll so it's best to prevent all this shit. You need PCT as well, otherwise you will lose all your gains and end up with less muscle than when you started. Without PCT, you will have a limp dick for months and feel fatigued and depressed.
When using Testosterone or one of it's many esters, an aromitase inhibitor such as Anastrozole is recommended to prevent estrogen related side effects. PCT is needed in the form of Nolvadex and Clomid to stimulate natural production of testosterone, restore size and function to the testes, and to prevent side effects from estrogen from the shift in hormonal balance.
There is no way to work around it. You could run Testosterone without an Aromitase Inhibitor, some people get along fine, but why risk the moon face and bitch tits? It's a dice roll so it's best to prevent all this shit. You need PCT as well, otherwise you will lose all your gains and end up with less muscle than when you started. Without PCT, you will have a limp dick for months and feel fatigued and depressed.
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is Clomid Necessary or would you say its just recommended for PTC??
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Clomid is PCT
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It's for PCT and PCT is absolutely necessary if you want to keep your gains and your ability to maintain an erection.
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I was asking because although i got the tamoxifen from my doctor, he wasn't lenient on giving me a script. offering the advice blah blah blah steroids cause your bones to dry and weaken and some other stuff that i diddnt really pay attention too.
Soo i was wondering with Tamoxifen already in hand is it absolutely necessary to go back and try and convince him i need another PTC compound, or will the tamoxifen Suffice?
Soo i was wondering with Tamoxifen already in hand is it absolutely necessary to go back and try and convince him i need another PTC compound, or will the tamoxifen Suffice?
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I remember you. You're the dick sucking junkie who wanted to run Dbol alone.
Leave. Now.
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lol ^^ funny guy
was actually a test E with Dbols... but yeah i guess your somewhat right, minus the dicksucking.
currently on week 6 of a Test E/P Anadrol blend soo i figured id ask if 2 anti-estrogen's are necessary, you know?
was actually a test E with Dbols... but yeah i guess your somewhat right, minus the dicksucking.
currently on week 6 of a Test E/P Anadrol blend soo i figured id ask if 2 anti-estrogen's are necessary, you know?
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What? A test entanthate and Propionate and androl blend? Don't take anadrol more than 6 weeks and I suggest usin nolva during ur cycle and comin off or u might get bitch tits, I got a puffy left nip from test cyp and thats good enouh no need for another it could bring ur test levels back fater maybe? But id just use hcg before ur pct if ur that worried, I personally don't use aromitase inhibitors unless needed, and why can't a junkie use gear, scar3d br0?! Lol
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God you're fucking dumb.
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Stupid steroid users start with using pills to get big fast. Injectables are superior. You can't run Dianabol for 20 weeks, nor can you run Methyltren, but you sure as fuck can run Trenbolone Aceate and Masteron and Testosterone for 20 weeks or more.
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I never use Nolva on cycle. It's best for PCT. On cycle it can actually give you gyno by making the progesterone receptors more sensitive if you happen to be running certain compounds. AI's are superior for use on cycle, they control bloat and are more cost effective.
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SERMS will also affect blood pressure in some people by the way. I recommend a potassium sparring diuretic. Sometimes steroids and and the other drugs that come with steroids cause blood pressure problems in some people. I'm borderline high blood pressure, my doctor my clinic said I should think about getting another doctor to write a prescription for a diuretic. I haven't followed up on it but one way I reduce blood pressure is by drinking a gallon of water a day and making sure I don't ingest to much sodium. If your blood pressure happens to be severely high you may want to look into blood pressure medication.
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Just order the shit you need from the internet.
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Yeah, its all together, injectable.
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/879/dsc02281b.jpg
Running 8 week cycle at 2ml's a week, but for these last weeks im only going to do 1ml and taper.
Is the Oxymethelone a big problem or should continue as normal. Side effects have been minimal, and results have been amazing.
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Wow. That is definitely a problem. Anadrol is a 17a steroid, and despite being injectable, it is still metabolized by the liver when it makes it's way through the bloodstream after being absorbed. Being a 17a steroid, it is very harsh on the liver, and some compounds are more harsh that others. Oxymethelone is one of those compounds. Think of your liver as a blender, breaking down chemicals in the body. Now think of Oxymethelone as small stone marbles. I think you get the picture?
You should get off that cycle ASAP and start taking Milk Thistle and a B vitamin complex to reduce inflamation in your liver and stimulate healthy bile flow.
If you like the results of the cycle, then by all means run it again. Go with what works. You seem to react great to Testosterone and Anadrol. However, next cycle just run Test Propionate for 12 weeks if you don't mind injecting often and run Anadrol for 6 weeks at the start of the cycle. Or run Testosterone Etanthate for 12 weeks, worry about injecting only once a week, and run Anadrol for 6 weeks.
Blends of different Testosterone esters in my opinion are a waste because they lead to unstable hormone levels. It's best to stick with one particular Testosterone ester you enjoy, long ester Etanthate where it kicks in about week four, or short ester Propionate where it kicks in about a week.
One thing I hope you realize with Anadrol is that a lot of mass will tend to be intracellular water in the muscle tissue so don't be freak when you come off of it and start dropping weight. It's not muscle, just water.
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I also forgot to add that results with Anadrol aren't going to jaw dropping unless you have already dialed into your physique so to say. Pro bodybuilders use Anadrol to "grow" if you will into a show and do so successfully due to the amount of mass they already have.
You might want to run a steroid such as Dianabol or Turinabol during the first 6 weeks to see better gains.
You might want to run a steroid such as Dianabol or Turinabol during the first 6 weeks to see better gains.
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Anabolic steroids are for breaking through genetic platueas and allowing training and diet regimens that wouldn't be metabolically possible without ergogenic aid, for not for junkie faggots who want an easy escape, and think everything should be handed to them.
If you use them to "get big fast" then you are a fucking idiot.
OP, run the drol for as long as you can, until you run out. Add 20mg of M1T that stack as well and don't do any PCT, it will make you weaker.