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Need help with test results...please!

facedallthetime

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A friend of mine has a few of the white playboys. they are the double domed ones, facing left, without the collar, and without a score on the back. according to pillreports most of those presses (in different colors) are pipes, and none of them reacted to reagents.

i tested one of his with marquis and it turned dark purple within 2 seconds, and then a purplish black not much longer after that. This should mean there is MDxx in them...

...i guess we are both confused as to what he has. i know the test doesn't lie, but how much MDxx would have to be in there to give a reaction like that? is it just a small amount of mdxx to trick the test, or are results like ours pretty reliable mdxx-wise?

to add to the confusion, these are the first of this press that are white on pillreports (they are actually white with very little tan specks in them, hardly noticeable). all the others are described as well-pressed/hard, bright colors, waxy looking, and sour...so pipes.

the one we tested was well-pressed, but not too hard (we broke one in half easily with our fingers). they are also chalky, and crumble easier once broken apart. They have a noticeable smell of MDxx (sass/licorice)...BUT, when licked they have a slight sour taste...nothing too acidic, it didn't burn, tingle, or numb, but there was a brief citrus taste...BUT when i chewed a little edge of one it tasted bitter and like mdma.

The reputation on these presses are not good, pipes...but most, not all, of our evidence says there is mdxx in them.

so after my long ass description about everything, what we are wondering is really how much mdxx has to be in a pill to give the type of test results we got? enough to make it a good pill, or can a small amount set it off and trick the tester like that?

thanks for helping a noob! i just don't want to end up spending the weekend in pipe hell.
 
I have noticed that when I test and have immediate results the pill has usually turned out to be quite a strong pill. :) A slower reaction has usually turned out to be to have a very low dose of MDxx in them. :( I have had experience with the orange playboys with the collar and they were decent pills. They weren't Buddhas or Doves but they were good! I would guess that the pill without the collar is indeed a piper. You said that you tested the pill and had no right? I have tested pills that have enough MDxx in them to fool the reagent but upon consuming them they were bunk. Use your tools of information to arm yourself with the knowledge you need to get good pills. ( I know sounds dramatic huh) But anyways between this site, PillReports.com, and your reagent tester you should be able to make a good choice on the pills you pick up. But ya, the results you describe sound good. Little to no time when reacting as always been a good sign for me.

Rollz
 
Thanks for the reply 760...i'm still apprehensive because of the reputation of this press, but the marquis test definitely showed a clean pill. it's too bad there is no way to determine if there are pipes in them by testing.

Anyone else have a take on this?
 
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^^^ True.

But at least we know that piperazines won't react to the reagents (I've heard of Simon's turning violet on occasion when testing piperazines, what causes this, phase_dancer? PS - I miss you here!) :)
 
Thanks RavenousBlonde.

Well, because BZP and other N-alkylpiperazines also contain a secondary amine in the piperazine ring, some might think it should react, however, it appears this doesn't happen. I've not done the test myself, but have read from an official source that BZP doesn't react with Simon's. Observed colour changing reactions with Simons could be indicative of impurities or unreacted precursors.
 
Thanks RavenousBlonde.

Well, because BZP and other N-alkylpiperazines also contain a secondary amine in the piperazine ring, some might think it should react, however, it appears this doesn't happen. I've not done the test myself, but have read from an official source that BZP doesn't react with Simon's. Observed colour changing reactions with Simons could be indicative of impurities or unreacted precursors.

Thanks! I've had several testers say that their Simon's had turned a very light violet color but their other reagents didn't react. I haven't done the test either. What about mcPP, or is that basically the same thing (since it's in the piperazine family)?

I need beginner's chemistry lessons. %)
 
What about mcPP, or is that basically the same thing (since it's in the piperazine family)?
mcPP doesn't react either iirc. I had a UN report on this at one time which mentioned Marquis and Simons and the lack of colour producing reactions.

Here we go

Identification and analytical profile
The Chemical Abstracts Service (CAS) registry number of mCPP is 6640-24-0 and the CAS
number of pCPP is 38212-33-8.
Colour screening tests: mCPP does not react to Marquis, nitroprusside or Scott’s reagents.

From here

As for Chemistry Lessons, just say where and we'll get the ball rolling ;) Seriously though, I'm quite prepared to offer some guidance in this area. Just be prepared for a lot of reading :\
 
Thanks for that link! I may take you up on those lessons in the future, I'm working on some real work (aka paying) at the moment but this is something I would definitely like to explore further. :)
 
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