Opioids Need Help in Regards to a substance and using it for a specific Reason ( Kratom)

[aguythatlikessmoke]

Ok, I posted about Kratom a few weeks back. I am suffering Anxiety lately related to life situations not gonna into detail . I hate Talking to Psychologists and I can't really go to a Shrink. So what substances has more harm Kratom or Xanax? And How effective do you all recon that Kratom is in Alleviating Anxiety? I think that it has great potential as an Anti Anxiety and Anti Depressant .
I am planing on using Kratom during the next 3 weeks to help with sleep and Anxiousness as I cant get any Anti Anxiety do you think this is good? and how effective is Kratom compared to some anti anxiety meds? and besides that what benefits does Kratom have on Sleep architecture? . I am planning to dose in the evenings. Yes I tried the other methods and yea I do participate in Exercise.

 

[aguythatlikessmoke]

Kanna had an effect on my anxiety levels( lowers em) and I nearly use it everyday wondering if it works like an SSRI cause i have felt emotional numbness on it. BTW Does anybody feel depressed the next day after Kratom usage?

 

[tokenname]

it's pretty individual how kratom seems to work from one person to the next.

for some it's a godsend..and others it does little besides aid in w/d.
you're just gonna have to see for yourself how it affects you..
good luck.

 

[laCster]

Yah it will work as a crude anxiolytic but xanax is definitely superior which is not hard to believe because it is made for anxiety. The only thing that would suck would be the withdrawal which won't be too severe if only using for 3weeks, but it is also addictive and euphoria will be present especially if u don't have a tolerance. Kratom is more recreational than than xanax.

Though the worst part about kratom is the disguisting taste, and you have to swallow multiple spoonfuls of powder which is surprisingpy difficult not to puke back up or inhale the powder. In my experience, the toss and swallow method is the only way if you plan on dosing multiple times and even if not, it is still the best way to take kratom

 

[Lady Codone]

Xanax is a tried-and-true anti-anxiety drug but is more likely to lead to harmful outcomes IMO. You might get addicted to either substance, but only Xanax withdrawal can kill you. If opiates do not help your depression/anxiety, kratom probably won't either. For me, opiates are a godsend for social anxiety, depression and low self-esteem. But not everyone gets these benefits. Kratom is more similar to codeine/hydrocodone than benzos.

I've used kratom daily for about 6 months and have seen no negative side effects yet. It's cheap, easy to find and legal. The addiction potential is there but if you treat it like a prescription drug (taking it in the same dose at the same time daily) the risks are pretty low.

 

[NeighborhoodThreat]

^This is good advice. Kratom has a stimulating effect on many people so you may not be able to dose right before bed.

In the end, kratom is still an opiate. It has additional effects (which can very in intensity from person to person) but it is an opiate and opiates are pretty effective anti-anxiety drugs as well. That being said, yes, alprazolam (Xanax) is a proven powerful anti-anxiety. The benzodiazepines are the gold standard of the anxiolytics.

I am of the opinion that benzodiazepine addiction is, in the grand scheme of things, considerably worse than opiate addiction...as other posters have mentioned. The choice is yours but I would use both kratom and Xanax as sparingly as possible. If they both were equally as effective for anxiety I would use the kratom over the Xanax.

 

[daytryptr]

I'd definately say in terms of addictive potential, kratom is much safer than xanax. I've never had withdrawals from long term kratom usage that are anythink like BD withdrawals, especially xanax and etizolam in terms of rebound anxiety.

Not to say kratom w/d's dont suck, its just more managable for me personally. A few negative affects i've noticed from kratom is darkening under the eyes, possible muscle tension if you are taking a stimulating strain at low dosages, but thats something i get from most all stimulants.

Don't take kanna with kratom btw, they both have affects on sert/ne afaik, and mixing could lead to SS, or other unforseen negative synergies.

As far as how they work in regards to benzos, much less effective in terms of anxiety relief if you already have tasted your fair share of benzos. Even after the tolerance goes away, its like getting a taste of the good stuff (benzos) and knowing kratom will never compare. If your a benzo virgin, or have very little expirence with them, kratom was rather effective for anxiety before i tasted benzos.

It still works well, its just quite a bit different in its affects, and can cause paradoxical anxiety if you get a strain that has a strong stimulating affect. Those give me anxiety, unless i dose high enough, but by that point i'm too high to function my best in situations where i get anxiety. The right strains do work rather well though. Its just kind of a bit like cannabis where every strain is different, sometimes very different in its affects. You have to try a bunch and figure out what works best for you.

 

[bronson]

The only advice I would offer in addition to what has already been given is to start with low doses of kratom since you suffer from anxiety. In some individuals it produces a stimulating effect which could actually make things much worse. Just test the waters, but if it does work for you, a better alternative to benzos imo as well.

 

[aguythatlikessmoke]

Actually I have been using Kratom before and it had a good effect on me . I have taken brakes in between for example I would use for 2 weeks then take a 10 day break and then start using again. To me Kratom relieves anxiety and Depression. The stimulating effect I enjoy, it seems to be anti-depressing in Nature because you get a feeling to get up and do things and work study in my case, you also feel like socializing and it kills Social Inhibitions nicely you can Approach most women easily , conversations flow easily . But I don't dose with the very stimulating strains I take Golden Indo Kratom and Bali Kratom, though I have Thai Special kratom and used that before. Most of the Kratom strains feel quite similiar to me they do have differences not strong ones though. Opiods do work for my Anxiety I have tried Codeine and Tramadol before but I most certain find Kratom to be superior to them. Differences I noted Bali is very sedating, Good Analgesic, You will feel a slight stimulating effect for the first 30 minutes then it moves into an Sedating Opiate high if I take large doses it feels like a warm blanket covers my body and I feel these Euphoria a warm Euphoria and my face turns red, Anxiety eliminated as well. Indo works similiar though a little less sedating. Thai is stimulating but still good, and in the end it to is sedating but slightly. Kratom worked for my mood and anxiety and I was glad about that. It is an amazing Substance and I think more research should be done on its Alkaloids Mitryagnine I think the therapeutic potential would be vast.
I only figured out about it this year. I really hope that the countries don't start going illegal with it.

 

[aguythatlikessmoke]

Whenever Something good gets going for the benefit of Humanity that is Natural. The DEA has to put on their list of concern and other Countries monitor Kratom legality as well. I find Kratom in my case to not be addictive but rather it used for a Therapeutic reason but yea many times people take something in a Therapeutic and get hooked, but if ur smart about it and if you don't go on binges and if you don't dose 24/7 I think it would be ok. Actually I find the Psychological Addictive component of Cannabis to exceed that of Kratom in my case. I find Cannabis Indica to be an anxiety killer as well for me , while Cannabis Sativa can through me into some Panic. I think that the effects of Cannabis and its use for treating Anxiety are a lot more subjective than that of Kratom because vast reactions can be experienced. Who agrees with me? Because for some having a spliff seems to be great stress relief. When I smoke it depends on the strain and my state of mind. I have used Cannabis before and experienced some anxiety relief though I use Cannabis so infrequently, other times it induced anxiety in me.

I like the move they are going with in the US to get Medical Cannabis to be so legal and for People to be able to chose the proper strain with the proper CBD:THC ratio.
I find that Plant substances such as Kratom and Cannabis to be powerful substances for my case they were equally intense experiences. And I also know that just because something is Herbal doesn't mean its power is underestimated, Herbal Compounds are very powerful.

these are just some of my opinions who agrees with me?
BTW thanks for all of the advice.

 

[Leaping Gnome]

For anxiety I say to try some Kava-Kava over Kratom. It's been used in the islands for centuries. There is even Kava Cola in the islands that they are trying to market around the world. I read that some doctors are now scripting it over Benzos to some people. It's supposed to be non-additive. It's great for sleep. It can be bought at health food stores.

The last two times I ran out of my Norco 10/325 early I took both Kratom & Kava together. The Kratom kept my body happy and the Kava stopped the Anxiety I felt in WD. I even slept up to 9 1/2 hours at night...and most of the time I usually don't sleep over 6 hours. With just Kratom in WD I still had Anxiety and couldn't really sleep.

Leaping Gnome