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Harm Reduction Need detox advice concerning my son

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ladymj

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Hello everyone,
I have been lurking for awhile. I have a 34 yo son who is 7 days off of fentanyl and zxlyzine. He has been using off & on for a 16 years and it started with oxycodones and then has gone from there.
I think he stared his Suboxone to quickly before he should have. He is at home detoxing. Today was the 7thday and he had been doing ok since the 4th day & all of a sudden started throwing up again. I have so many questions. I thought at this point he was out of the woods as far as being sick. Yesterday he seemed like his old self. No he has not used again. He did another suboxone earlier & has to take a certain amount each day until he gets a sublocade injection on the 26th of this month.
Any info would help. Thank you so much. ❤️🙏🏼

Nick’s mom
 
I'll preface by saying I have no first hand experience with opiates, but generally detoxing/ healing from anything has its ups and downs. Like I mentioned I can't say much specifically for his case, but if youre worried thats totally understandable but I think he'll be fine. The body can do some incredible things as long as its well nourished.
 
Hello everyone,
I have been lurking for awhile. I have a 34 yo son who is 7 days off of fentanyl and zxlyzine. He has been using off & on for a 16 years and it started with oxycodones and then has gone from there.
I think he stared his Suboxone to quickly before he should have. He is at home detoxing. Today was the 7thday and he had been doing ok since the 4th day & all of a sudden started throwing up again. I have so many questions. I thought at this point he was out of the woods as far as being sick. Yesterday he seemed like his old self. No he has not used again. He did another suboxone earlier & has to take a certain amount each day until he gets a sublocade injection on the 26th of this month.
Any info would help. Thank you so much. ❤️🙏🏼

Nick’s mom
Is there any chance he had a lapse?

Also, check out SMART recovery and see if getting the handbook and letting him start some self management work would be helpful?

He might have had a lapse but still be intent on quitting. That said, fetanyl is stored in fat cells so it usually intensifies around the 4-7th day. It takes some time.

Also, if he was able to start suboxone without going through a precipitated withdrawal event then he’s doing much much better than most fetanyl users.

Check out the search bar and look up “vitamin list for opiate withdrawal” I’ve linked it here.


Here is the master list in order of importance

DLPA- has the most profound overall benefit by providing building blocks of dopamine
Magnesium - helps with restless legs and stress
Liposomal vitamin C - helps with everything
Vitamin D- helps with the PAWS depression
L-theanine - helps with stress by providing immediate calm take more than recommended like 300 mg
ashwaghanda - regulates cortisol levels which are going to be going haywire
Multivitamin - helps with everything
B-complex- get that shit out of your system faster and have energy in the fucking mire of post opiate life
Iron— helps with not having been eating right if that was the case for you

This may be just me but I also keep really fuxked up hot chilis on hand. If you rub them on your gums and oral mucosa they can release super potent endogenous endorphins like opiorphine which will give you a solid twenty minutes of relief. Mmmmmmm pain

Speaking of pain.

Go get your ears acupunctured. Just tell them it’s for heron or opiate detox. Maybe placebo sure but placebo works 50% of the time if you believe the placebo will help

under the advice of your doctor
Good comfort meds
Gabapentin - 1800 mg is used by Iranian doctors but this is unprecedented in the us but I found it worked for heron withdrawal
Clonidine - never tried it but I’ve heard good things
Don’t know anything about the dosage
A benzo- helps with the sleeping. Don’t use it for anything else.

If you can find the strength. Begin light exercise as soon as possible. Endorphins really help.

Remember that you’re going to be hopeless. You’re going to be sad. You’re going to have to rebuild your life, your coping mechanisms, and your reward system from scratch. No one can do this for you. Rehab can help if you’re afraid you can’t bear the weight. You’re stronger than you think. But everyone needs help.

If you’re going to relapse it’s time to consider MAT
I’d rather see you on methadone than see you curled over in the street scratching your bones through a xylazine sore

I’d rather see your teeth fall out from suboxone usage than see you with the smile the mortician chose for you because fent took you from us.

I’d rather see you at the Smokeshop buying kratom having decided to give kicking another try later.


I’m a college graduate. It took me longer to make the decision to quit using opiates and even longer to quit than it took me to earn a four years degree; and that took me seven years.

I’m speaking from experience.

I know you can do it.

Take time away from work if you need to.

I’ll borrow from something u told my friend Anthony

“ hope you can make it past the really hard stuff. Picture yourself in the park. Lying on a big blanket. Little charcuterie. A person you love. It’s a beautiful day for a picnic in the park. You didn’t have to wake up and dose. You don’t have to run to the bathroom and dose. You don’t need to dose first thing when you get home. That’s what you’re quitting for. Not so much your family or the possibility of an OD. But because you deserve to have that freedom to just be alive, to just be happy, and to have no obligation to some receptors in your brain. But like you said, not OD ing is really important and I get that. But what I really wish for you is the freedom that comes with taking some time away from this chemically dependent life that it seems has not been so gratifying given the health troubles you’ve faced with overdoses.”

Or just being sick and tired of using.

All I know is when you get everything right again. Being sober feels kind of good.

Let me tell you where I’m at today.

It was hot. I could feel it. The wind was cool. I could feel that. No golden blanket hiding me from experiencing the world. I drive with the windows down getting dopamine from music. I’m happy. I worked for nine hours. I talked to my best friend. I felt joy.

That isn’t to say I didn’t feel sadness. Look up my post before this one. The point is. There is sweet with the bitter. And I did something good for someone today even though it took a lot out of me.

Now I’m writing this for you, for Anthony, for myself, for everyone who like me wanted to quit at home : e it for pride or arrogance or for a belief in the indefeatable nature of our human spirit.

I know you can do this.
If you’ve quit before and relapsed.
I know you can do this again
Good luck. God speed.

May the gods smile upon you
Perhaps you will smile back.

But getting some vitamins, minerals, and some gabapentin has helped many people break free of opiates and I hope it helps him too
 
Hello everyone,
I have been lurking for awhile. I have a 34 yo son who is 7 days off of fentanyl and zxlyzine. He has been using off & on for a 16 years and it started with oxycodones and then has gone from there.
I think he stared his Suboxone to quickly before he should have. He is at home detoxing. Today was the 7thday and he had been doing ok since the 4th day & all of a sudden started throwing up again. I have so many questions. I thought at this point he was out of the woods as far as being sick. Yesterday he seemed like his old self. No he has not used again. He did another suboxone earlier & has to take a certain amount each day until he gets a sublocade injection on the 26th of this month.
Any info would help. Thank you so much. ❤️🙏🏼

Nick’s mom
I GOT OFF OXY PAINLESSLELY ONE SHOT 8 MONTHS LATER STILL NO WITHDRAWL AND THE SUBLOCADE BUMP HAS BEEN GONE AFTER the first 30 days, THIS NEEDS TO BE SHARED WITH THE WORLD...I was at rehab planning to get off subs, started to withdrawal and was going to leave and get high, 4 people told me their personal experience so i tried one shot 300mg and never got another....

I think they tell you to keep going to get shots but that is for money and in your head if you feel sick...My experience was one year on 8 mg subs, rehab, sublocade shot and opiate free since SEPTEMEBR 24 with not one inkling of discomfort! SPREAD THR WORD

You dont need a second shot, thats all money they want, they want us hooked on something, either subs for life, methadone life, sublocade years, NAHH PERSONAL EXPERIENCE I SWEAR BY IT

I am so mad I went through 10 years of sufferin and countless failed rehabs....IBOGAIN worked well to but that was rough due to its effect, also wont let it in america because it works. if it works they dont want it here because there goes the drug companies cash cow
 
I'm very sorry to hear but it's good news he's doing detox and getting off of it. I have no personal experience, but is it possible that he is experience xylazine withdrawal simultaneously? I don't think Suboxone would work for that
 
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Alright well, OP hasn't been around since 3/3. Seeing as how this is a thread dedicated specifically to her son's detox, I'm going to go ahead and close this to make some room for other folks. As most of you know, we're always happy to field threads like this and help people in need. However, we do have a wealth of information regarding Opioid detox/withdrawal, including information regarding Buprenorphine induction. If you still need help @ladymj send me a message and we'll talk.
 
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