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Janellflyshighh

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So I'm 2 months sober off heroin and other opiates. I was using crystal meth to not deal with the w/d's and cravings but I don't wanna do meth anymore I wanna be completely clean so I quit the meth but now I'm w/d'ing from the opiates all over again. So far I'm doing this cold turkey but its like impossible I don't think I can do it. Is there any opiate blockers like methadone that aren't as addictive as the opiates? Because I've been on methadone before and those w/d's are worse than the heroin itself. My doctor wanted to give me xanax but I was addicted to that too. I just really don't know what to do and I'm running out of options but I can't handle this. Thoughts, comments, opinions? Thanks.
 
I doubt it's opiate withdrawal. When did you last use meth? You probably feel like shit from stopping that.
 
What withdrawal symptoms are you experiencing? Anxiety and stress can cause a multitude of physical symptoms and the meth might have compounded this.

Suboxone is a good option. Be sure you can follow the docs orders and not abuse it. Getting booted off subs at anything above 1mg is horrible.
 
stay off suboxone if you know whats good for you. coming off that shit after 3 years come with a month of withdrawal.

listen man, ride this shit out, you dont sound THAT bad, i mean your posting on a forum ok.

the LAST thing you wanna do is go on drugs again man. it only gets worse, and worse, and worse.
 
I know I should probably post on my own thread, but I'm new to this and still figuring it out....I'm trying to find a support group for families....My husband has been trying to come off klonopin for a few months now on his own, tapering away at it. He's been on and off of it for many, many, years. But this time, it's altered his personality, and I don't think he see's it. I see it, friends see it, his family. Even though he's not the oldest, he was the big brother type that everyone looked up to for advice and what not. Now he's an irritable, angry, vacant somewhat of a hermit. In moments of clarity, he will hug me and say he doesn't deserve me, tell me he loves me. (We've been separated for 2 months now) then he'll turn around and say it was a mistake we were intimate and want a divorce/separation. He did have an affair last year and when I found out, we started working on us maybe a little took quickly, because I could still see that dark side in him. He took up smoking cigarettes which he never did, drinking hard liquor. He said the other day that he's even in a dark place then he was last year. A month ago he said that part of his life is over with that other women, leading me to believe that they carried on an affair, even though he had said he wanted to work on his family. We have a 6 year old son, and this is affecting him as well. I don't think my husband realizes the emotion hell he is putting me, and to an extent, our son through. He just wants things his way, now he wont go to couseling or see a psychiatrist when I ask. I love my husband so, so, much and want to help him, but I know there is nothing I can do for him. He has to move to CA in a couple of weeks for work, while in the meantime my son and I are staying in our house. He's vulnerable and is going to be alone (maybe, who knows he'll find someone to keep him company)....He is so lost and just not himself while on these damn benzo's. He said once that a monster was inside of him and he wants to be a better man. Now its as if the monster has taken him away from us completely. I don't know what to do!
 
Is there any opiate blockers like methadone that aren't as addictive as the opiates?
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Naltroxone is probably you're best option. It strictly blocks opiates and produces no high. Also not addicting and may even lower opiate tolerance.
 
twangerchick said:
I know I should probably post on my own thread, but I'm new to this and still figuring it out....I'm trying to find a support group for families....My husband has been trying to come off klonopin for a few months now on his own, tapering away at it. He's been on and off of it for many, many, years. But this time, it's altered his personality, and I don't think he see's it. I see it, friends see it, his family. Even though he's not the oldest, he was the big brother type that everyone looked up to for advice and what not. Now he's an irritable, angry, vacant somewhat of a hermit. In moments of clarity, he will hug me and say he doesn't deserve me, tell me he loves me. (We've been separated for 2 months now) then he'll turn around and say it was a mistake we were intimate and want a divorce/separation. He did have an affair last year and when I found out, we started working on us maybe a little took quickly, because I could still see that dark side in him. He took up smoking cigarettes which he never did, drinking hard liquor. He said the other day that he's even in a dark place then he was last year. A month ago he said that part of his life is over with that other women, leading me to believe that they carried on an affair, even though he had said he wanted to work on his family. We have a 6 year old son, and this is affecting him as well. I don't think my husband realizes the emotion hell he is putting me, and to an extent, our son through. He just wants things his way, now he wont go to couseling or see a psychiatrist when I ask. I love my husband so, so, much and want to help him, but I know there is nothing I can do for him. He has to move to CA in a couple of weeks for work, while in the meantime my son and I are staying in our house. He's vulnerable and is going to be alone (maybe, who knows he'll find someone to keep him company)....He is so lost and just not himself while on these damn benzo's. He said once that a monster was inside of him and he wants to be a better man. Now its as if the monster has taken him away from us completely. I don't know what to do!
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Hi twangerchick. I highly recommend you post in one of our Recovery Support Forums (<-link). Perhaps one of the Other Drugs mods will even move your post there, since your post is not really related to this thread. There are a number of options for support for you, your family and your husband. There are different types of meetings like Narcotics Anonymous and SMART Recovery for example (depends what type of philosophy you are looking for). Both have meetings for families of addicts.
 
Man how is meth helping you with your opiate withdrawal? IMO that would just make it all the worse too me. My heart rate is already sped the hell up when in withdrawal from opi's so I couldnt imagine ingesting meth in any route and seeing anything positive from it other than making me feel absolutely horrible after the initial rush.
 
@janellflyshighh, as above posters said: how are you going through opiate withdrawal if you havent used any in 2 months? it just doesnt work that way.
whats more likely is your WD-ing from the methamphetamine which can cause some similar symptoms to withdrawals you might have experienced in the past. naltrexone wouldnt be a good idea as even though it blocks the opiate receptors, its through its actions as an antagonist (opiates like heroin are full agonists). this means it would make opiate withdrawal worse if you were just coming off opiates and if theres none on the receptors would likely have no noticeable effect.
the xanax your doctor offered would be better in the short-term for what i think your experiencing "sober anxiety" lol.
if your worried about addiction issues with the xanax then ask for a benzo with a longer duration of effect and less of a kick, clonazepam or diazepam might be useful.

@twangerchick, im sorry to hear about your family problems. addictions do destroy familys, i nearly lost everyone important in my life (as well as a career and house) through addictions.
benzo withdrawl is nasty because of how it can affect the mind and make you feel like your going insane. lots of people on here have gone through it on bluelight and i believe that you will struggle to find more experience or better advice anywhere else. maybe you could encourage your husband to come here and ask for advice or even just to browse. sometimes its just good to know that your not the only one and that your addiction can be beaten.
 
i was on suboxone/buprenorphine for 12 months - daily use. i recently ran out and for the past 2-3 weeks i have been in and out of withdrawal. it has been 23 days since i ran out, and this is the first day WITHOUT opiates where i actually feel normal and decently happy. i hope i am out of the woods, but my cravings fucking blow!

@op
dude, you are going to feel like shit for the next couple months! yah, most of the physical withdrawal will go away, but IMO that is not the worst part. the absolute boredom, insane insomnia, and anxiety/depression are what get me the most. most of the days i just sat around and watched tv and i thought i was going insane!! you have just accept feeling uncomfortable in your own skin, and whatever you do, STAY BUSY!! the worst days are when i am just sitting inside starring at the ceiling, waiting for my dealer and time to pass by. the thng that helps me overcome the withdrawal the most, besides opiates, is just getting out of the house; maybe i will just walk around the block for 30mins, but it really helps!! like seriously, i feel like if i stay in my house all day that i am going insane. i start to analyze myself and i start to get really hard on myself. i am like, "am i really that dumb that i fell to opiate addiction?!? and now i use needles to get high?!?! god damn i am such scum," and just other self doubts. the shits, nausea and cramping legs suck, but they are manageable. however, like i said the worse part is not knowing what to do with myself.

most of the time i just use drugs to stop withdrawal and to cure my boredom. its like, well idk what to do today. i can push myself to new limits and stretch the boundaries, or i can pick the easy route and sit around all day and get high, not to mention getting high is one of the best feelings i have ever had in my life. i mean, who wouldnt become an addict if they were abusing opiates??

stay strong man, you can do this, but in order to succeed you need to find new hobbies and shit to fill your time. maybe this means playing video games, going back to school, chasing girls (guys?), picking up a new sport, or anything that is not related to drugs. accomplishing shit on your own will give you a nice burst of edorphines aswell. in addition, i suggest exercising for atleast 15mins a day. WHAT?? ONLY 15MINS A DAY?? yes, 15mins a day extended life expectancy by 14%, while 30-45+mins of straining cardio increased life expectancy by 19%. whatever you do, you really need to push and be proactive at changing your life. i can tell you that if you dont change anything about your life, you will inevitable go back to using because the stress and anxieties will build up, and at that point the only sensible thing to do is to get high..

here are some helpful links and a source to the 15min exercise...
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/569872-The-Opioid-Withdrawal-Megathread-and-FAQ
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/archive/index.php/t-319283.html
http://healthland.time.com/2011/08/16/just-15-minutes-of-exercise-a-day-may-add-years-to-your-life/

good luck,
-laC
 
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Are you using the meth to get rid of that tired, dragging ass feeling? I know there are probably a lot of people that will disagree with me but I highly recommend Gabapentin. For me, it helped with the draggin ass feeling, the generally achiness and gave a small mood lift. Not like a euphoric mood lift but at least people weren't afraid of me ;) YMMV Some people say you can get addicted to Gabapentin and some say you can't. I do feel crappy if I take it everyday and then forget but if you use if for a couple weeks you should be ok.
Good Luck! It seems like you are doing very well!
 
laCster, that was a great post. opiate addiction and WD is a horrible thing to experience and witness. I agree about the mental side of WD being the worst and i think thats true with addiction to any drug (or anything). Its good to hear that you can feel the ends in sight WD-wise. ive never been through bup WD myself but ive seen it alot of times and most couldnt handle it for a week, never mind 3 weeks. :-)
OP, you could do alot worse then to take that advice on board.
Finding new interests not related to drug taking really is the key to defeating the cravings and exercise for regaining your natural energy.
 
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