Opioids Need advice on methadone w/d

[Groovy75]

Hey guys,

I just posted an introduction and I am in need of advice.

I attempted a cold turkey w/d with the help of kratom about 21 days ago. Here's a brief about me: I made the horrible maistake of starting MMT because of a pain pill addiction. My dose was never more than 20 mgs and I jumped off at 5 mgs. I used the kratom from the beginning and it eliminated about 60 % of my w/d problems but, I was still struggling because I have to care for my 7 month old daughter. At 20 days I couldn't take it anymore, I was even becoming suicidal. I've only taken about half a milliliter yesterday and today. I do not want to take ANYMORE methadone. Would it be smarter for me to get some hydros and do a slow taper with that? I've come so far I do not want to get back on methadone.

Any advice/thoughts would be appreciated.

 

[SaosinEngaged]

I'm on my phone so I can't go as in depth as I would of liked, but up your Kratom dose. I've put worse dependencies down the toilet with kratom and kratom alone. But I'd be taking 15-20+ g of Bali at a time. IMO, you need to take enough of it and I feel most people chronically underdose it when they really could use more. Make it in a tea to eliminate nausea.

Edit : add cimetidine 1 hour before dosing, 400-600mg. Will add to the length and intensity of the kratom effects immensely IME, which translates to less feelings of WD/PAWS

 

[thelastclubkid]

Hey guys,

I just posted an introduction and I am in need of advice.

I attempted a cold turkey w/d with the help of kratom about 21 days ago. Here's a brief about me: I made the horrible maistake of starting MMT because of a pain pill addiction. My dose was never more than 20 mgs and I jumped off at 5 mgs. I used the kratom from the beginning and it eliminated about 60 % of my w/d problems but, I was still struggling because I have to care for my 7 month old daughter. At 20 days I couldn't take it anymore, I was even becoming suicidal. I've only taken about half a milliliter yesterday and today. I do not want to take ANYMORE methadone. Would it be smarter for me to get some hydros and do a slow taper with that? I've come so far I do not want to get back on methadone.

Any advice/thoughts would be appreciated.

can you provide more background... e.g. how long did you take tapering down to the 5mg before you jumped... because if you for instance tapered from 10mg to 5mg in a week and jumped then you basically jumped from a higher dose... also what symptoms are you having? at 20 days you really are past WD's and into the PAWS phase.. this part is really annoying but shouldnt have you quite at suicidal...

anyway the more info you provide the more we can help...

 

[Groovy75]

can you provide more background... e.g. how long did you take tapering down to the 5mg before you jumped... because if you for instance tapered from 10mg to 5mg in a week and jumped then you basically jumped from a higher dose... also what symptoms are you having? at 20 days you really are past WD's and into the PAWS phase.. this part is really annoying but shouldnt have you quite at suicidal...

anyway the more info you provide the more we can help...

Hi clubkid, thanks for responding. I tapered my Methadone dose from 20 to 5 over about 6 months. Maybe that was too fast?

My symptoms are severe anxiety, insomnia, muscle aches, deep depression and itchy feet? Yeah, I know that was one symptom that was weird. Oh, and absolutely no energy. I have some money problems going on so that may have contributed to me not dosing as much of the Kratom as I should and my suicidal thoughts.

 

[Groovy75]

I'm on my phone so I can't go as in depth as I would of liked, but up your Kratom dose. I've put worse dependencies down the toilet with kratom and kratom alone. But I'd be taking 15-20+ g of Bali at a time. IMO, you need to take enough of it and I feel most people chronically underdose it when they really could use more. Make it in a tea to eliminate nausea.

Edit : add cimetidine 1 hour before dosing, 400-600mg. Will add to the length and intensity of the kratom effects immensely IME, which translates to less feelings of WD/PAWS

Thanks engaged, I think you may be right about upping my Kratom. I only used 3 teaspoons in OJ and downed it. Money got tight and I didn't dose as much as I should

 

[thelastclubkid]

Hi clubkid, thanks for responding. I tapered my Methadone dose from 20 to 5 over about 6 months. Maybe that was too fast?

My symptoms are severe anxiety, insomnia, muscle aches, deep depression and itchy feet? Yeah, I know that was one symptom that was weird. Oh, and absolutely no energy. I have some money problems going on so that may have contributed to me not dosing as much of the Kratom as I should and my suicidal thoughts.

ok, that helps.... these are symptoms that are pretty standard for the PAWS phase... what is not standard is the duration of these as it is highly variable from person to person... just fyi i jumped from methadone 5 weeks ago (from 2mg) and had all the same symptoms but they have pretty much resolved at different points with the exception of the insomnia and RLS... part of the reason is going to be that you jumped from 5mg instead of going lower; this will cause the these symptoms to drag out longer.

the depression/anxiety/suicidal thoughts are the real concern... they could indicate that your brain is not yet in balance or it could be a systemic issue that was masked by the opiates. i know its a difficult position to be in but you should really attempt to stick things out til the 30 day mark... many people see pronounced change around that time... otherwise you might want to consider getting to a psychiatrist... many people who have severe PAWS have benefitted from either dopamine agonists and/or SSRI's)

btw when i wake up in the middle of the night with my RLS... my feet dont itch but my shins and knees do sometimes... and it drives me nuts...

 

[Groovy75]

Thanks clubkid!

Someone else here on BL suggested trying 5 HTP? It's an herbal supplement that helps with endorphins.

I think I need to scrounge up the money for the Kratom. I just need to take more.I was only using 3 teaspoons in OJ and downing it. It's the only thing that's going to get me thru this. Or what do you guys think about getting some low dose hydros? Doing a taper, then I wouldn't lose my mind as bad and still be able to take care of my kids.

 

[majicBLUE]

Sup man, seen this thread and figured i'd jump in. Lucky you tapered down at that dose. I came off 2-3 years of 70-95 mg's of Methadone cold turkey. Give or take some mg's. It was hell, I detox'd in jail from Heroin and would MUCH rather do that again than ever do a cold turkey methadone withdrawal from that high. That being said, take vitamins. Try to exercise (walk) if possible, I hear it sits in your muscles, i'm not totally for sure on that, so research that information. Yoga is also good, the only thing that helped my muscle aches were a warm bath and some lotion/cream called Arnica Cream. Seriously, my knees were so fucked I couldn't walk for more than 10 minutes and that shit helped me finally sleep.

They say DXM is somewhat similar molecularly or reaction wise to opiates, I took a good dose of Nyquil and that was the first night I finally slept any. I tripped first though. Also, I don't know much about Kratom withdrawal but i've seen alot of threads where people become dependent on it. So be careful and be safe.

 

[Groovy75]

Sup man, seen this thread and figured i'd jump in. Lucky you tapered down at that dose. I came off 2-3 years of 70-95 mg's of Methadone cold turkey. Give or take some mg's. It was hell, I detox'd in jail from Heroin and would MUCH rather do that again than ever do a cold turkey methadone withdrawal from that high. That being said, take vitamins. Try to exercise (walk) if possible, I hear it sits in your muscles, i'm not totally for sure on that, so research that information. Yoga is also good, the only thing that helped my muscle aches were a warm bath and some lotion/cream called Arnica Cream. Seriously, my knees were so fucked I couldn't walk for more than 10 minutes and that shit helped me finally sleep.

They say DXM is somewhat similar molecularly or reaction wise to opiates, I took a good dose of Nyquil and that was the first night I finally slept any. I tripped first though. Also, I don't know much about Kratom withdrawal but i've seen alot of threads where people become dependent on it. So be careful and be safe.

Thanks majicblue.....there's a really good thread here on BL where a member named daddict used kratom to get him off methadone. He stayed on kratom for a little less than 2 months and did a taper of the kratom towards the end. I'm trying to do what he did and I hope it works for me.

 

[Groovy75]

Hey Guys,

I just wanted to let you know that I got some Thai Kratom in the mail today. I've taken it and it seems to be really helping me well. I hadn't had any methadone today so I was starting to feel w/d's and the Kratom took them away. I only took methadone for 4 days until my next batch of Kratom arrived, so I hope I didn't extend my w/d's too much longer after being clean for 20 days.

I'm going to take the advice of SaosinEngaged above, and continue with the Kratom and take it on a regular schedule (I wasn't taking enough before or regularly enough) I also tried a different kind this time. Instead of Premium Bali I ordered the Thai Kratom. Eventually, I will wean off the Kratom like daddict did in his thread.

Thanks Guys for all your help! I think I'm gonna make it!