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Near death experiences? see the light, etc

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i have had a couple out of body experiences(with no drugs involved) but they were very brief because i was afraid if i was outside my body for too long that i would die.

but has anyone had a neardeath experience where you see the light, etc

tell me
 
Out of body has nothing to do with near death, you wont die. Read up some more about it. One thing that helps is grounding exercises, or you get an alice in wonderland effect where doors and shit appear in the wrong place or are bigger/smaller then normal. You can also call in like guides and shit, the activity branches off into different stuff like shamanistic journeys and shit. Had a white light thing, when I was in a obe I made like a sign of a cross, said a prayer and this white light appeared. Pretty feel good/groovy experience. Fear though is normal and expected, it helps ya ease into it over time.
 
I've been close to death four times in my life, but only had one near death experience that I can recall. It all started when I had a really bad case of pneumonia with an extremely high fever when I was about 4 years old. I remember thinking to myself how close I was to "going home" and I felt very serene. Then a white tunnel/bubble opened up in front of my face -- there was a fast swirling vortex of colors inside and my long since past Grandpa who I'd never met before came out of the side of the tunnel. He said I wasn't ready to go and that I should stay here because I still had a lot to get done and there were people here who depended on me. That was it.

here are some good sites about both OBE and NDE
OBE
NDE

:)
 
jaymie said:
when I was about 4 years old. I remember thinking to myself how close I was to "going home" and I felt very serene. Then a white tunnel/bubble opened up in front of my face -- there was a fast swirling vortex of colors inside and my long since past Grandpa who I'd never met before came out of the side of the tunnel. He said I wasn't ready to go and that I should stay here because I still had a lot to get done and there were people here who depended on me.
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Are you sure you remembered that correctly? Don't mean too be rude if you did.
 
every moment is just one move away from death and thus a near death expierence, but I can only say that I thought I was going to die (by my actions) once, when I was climbing a cliff. I believe the only reason I did not die was because I did not hope for anyone else to get me out of the situation. I accepted the probability, became at peace with it and made my move. I guess that was really the defining moment that proved to me that I was becoming a buddhist.
 
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Jaymie's experience sounds like a lot of NDEs, which I've been interested in for a long time, though I've only had the good fortune of meeting a couple of people who have had one (or who at least admitted to having one, as the most common response is ridicule or disbelief).

Those are great links, Jaymie, fodder for many hours of pointless surfing. :) Here is another site, albeit one with fewer links:

http://www.near-death.com/
 
Raas said:
Are you sure you remembered that correctly? Don't mean too be rude if you did.
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Absolutely. It's just one of those things you can't mistake Raas.

Bel~glad you enjoyed the links :)
 
Belisarius said:
Jaymie's experience sounds like a lot of NDEs
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Indeed it does. The reasons these experiences are common could be because all of these people have had a taste of afterlife - surpassing to a realm we all hope exist...

But i'm afraid i'm going to crap all over this school of thought and get scientific. It could also be that these people are all having a common near-death factor - an instinctual chemical reaction in the brain to help them survive.

From a neurobiological point of view, a NDE like the one told doesn't make sense. The memory is physical, when you leave this reality you should have left your memory behind in a complex of dead neurons. If i remember correctly the "light at the end" of the tunnel feeling, is infact a chemical reaction to do with serotonin (going to have to look into that a bit more)

What would make sense to me is...

The person is dying. They are aware that they are dying and it may well be the very end. The brain, disorientated enough, attempts one final instinctual action to motivate the individual. It creates a figure or voice of respect that the person will listen too. (in your case, your grandfather) and that figure says the right things to help you survive.

The reason I hold this view, is because I myself had a near-death experience - well the thing is i wasn't actually anywhere near death - I just thought I was. I had a huge panic attack after some marijuana. After about 3 hours of what felt like I was fighting for my life, I was so exhausted from all the fear I assumed I was near death. A voice - that of a wise 40 yr old - started speaking to me, asking questions like "What were your golden memories of life", "What did you learn from your experiences". It was then when I realised I was too young to die and wanted to live which gave me motivation again.

Okay so i was mentally ill and on drugs, but it's an example of how the brain can take over when you consider yourself near death.
 
lexah said:
I have read reports about a lady who had an NDE while there was absolutely not brain activity.

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence01.html

How do you explain that?
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So the woman dies. Not only does she get to observe the real world - like a conscious human, but she then goes into a the "light tunnel" we've heard about, and has a detailed encounter with her relatives.

Her NDE becomes the most highly acclaimed piece of "evidence" of life after death. Lot's of people here about it.

The only logical explanation - at least as far as i can see - is that she is a liar.

But why lie about something like that? I hear you say. Isn't that over-skeptical? What would she want all that publicity for?

Well...for a second, I took it seriously. Thought this may well be the evidence for life after death. Then i found this...

SHE RELEASED A BLOODY CD BECAUSE OF IT! Reynolds Robinson new CD "IF I LIVE THROUGH THIS" it's $15 too! What a money-spinner...
 
Raas said:
So the woman dies. Not only does she get to observe the real world - like a conscious human, but she then goes into a the "light tunnel" we've heard about, and has a detailed encounter with her relatives.

Her NDE becomes the most highly acclaimed piece of "evidence" of life after death. Lot's of people here about it.

The only logical explanation - at least as far as i can see - is that she is a liar.

But why lie about something like that? I hear you say. Isn't that over-skeptical? What would she want all that publicity for?

Well...for a second, I took it seriously. Thought this may well be the evidence for life after death. Then i found this...

SHE RELEASED A BLOODY CD BECAUSE OF IT! Reynolds Robinson new CD "IF I LIVE THROUGH THIS" it's $15 too! What a money-spinner...
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If she is a liar then the whole medical team would have been in on it too, not just her. Its not like she could have made up all the intstruments they used etc etc unless someone told her...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1685311.stm

http://www.wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,55826,00.html
 
^ Well, if I were having a life/death operation like that, I'd know in the weeks before all I'd think about was it, and what they were going to do with me. It wouldn't surprise me that she had some sort of basic knowledge of the tools they would use before the operation. It isn't very hard to find out.

It's still a bit freaky, i don't deny, but then it just get's stupid.

She's clearly at the centre of a lot of world-wide discussion, then she tells her "NDE" experience. It sounds incredible. A little TOO incredible perhaps?...

Then they [deceased relatives] were feeding me. They were not doing this through my mouth, like with food, but they were nourishing me with something. The only way I know how to put it is something sparkly. Sparkles is the image that I get. I definitely recall the sensation of being nurtured and being fed and being made strong. I know it sounds funny, because obviously it wasn't a physical thing, but inside the experience I felt physically strong, ready for whatever.
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Not only does she release a CD on it, she's also writing a BOOK. All profits appear to go straight in her pocket.

I can take some NDE's seriously, indeed they are an interesting subject. But this particular case I find extremely difficult to take seriously

As for the links you gave...

the BBC one was, as it says in the article "Interesting, but not proof".

As for the second link on wired.com it sounds highly interesting, that the scientists say consciousness is not part of the brain etc... but it is worth noting that the research the article is based on "HAS NOT EVEN STARTED YET". If they do actually get round to doing the research, then I will take the claims more seriously.
 
Compare a NDE to 5meo-dmt trips, our pineal gland is full of 5meo-dmt and our body is full iof psycoactives, upon telling your mind it died, your pineal gland releases its stored 5meo-dmt, and when I smoke a high dose of synthesized 5meo-dmt I also enter a white tunnel, and see the whole world as one, it literally feels as if you die, maybe this is a mindblasting expereience that throws us into the afterlife, but this is not proof of one, the after life can't be a continuous 5meo-dmt tripping sensation, accord to a book by Albert Taylor, called Soul Traveler there are many planes of consiousness above this one the first one above this physical plane in which we usually are is the Astral plane, and there are many above that. Good reading, I recomend it for anyone interested in Out of body expereiences, because that is what he did to attain all of this knowlege.
 
There is only so much you can speculate and analyze something you've never experienced. It's like beating a dead horse. Peace.
 
There are conflicting experiences in the near-death.com site. Imjust gonna say one thing.

You must consider the possibity of reality manipulation and of people lying about thier experiences or making them up. You would think that after studying NDEs you could see the way things are pretty clearly but it just isnt true. Thier are even some failed prophecies in a few of the stories listed,

I read every single story on that site a few years ago. What i got out of it...Nothing. Focus on what you experience in life. That will teach you more than NDE's.

OBE's are a different story.

Experience is the only way you know.
 
If she is a liar then the whole medical team would have been in on it too, not just her
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she could be lying about what she felt, not about having had a NDE
ex, she pretty much just blacked out, so she invents a story to make it sound interesting
or she could have "dreamt" what she was expecting of the experience
 
Couldn't it be BOTH seeing into another realm AND chemicals in the brain? I'm surprised no avid drug users like ourselves here have pointed out the possibility that both NDEs and drugs like 5MeO-DMT (among many others) may open our brains to layers of reality that we aren't usually built to see, because we don't normally have any need to see them.

I am not amused by people who use their experience of NDEs to try and sell Jesus and the Christian conception of heaven. I think the Hindu concept of rebirth (albeit in a different universe eons from now), and the Navaho concept of reality consisting of different planes or nesting spheres, is far closer to the possibilities put forth by modern science.
 
I've been hit by car, caught in a fire, had a seizure from an injury and I haven't seen a white light yet. Maybe God wants me here? To be his/her servant.
 
Once I saw a spectrum coming from the sky (which was essentially the sun)... it felt like I was one with it, it's heat was my own.... It gave me my color, therefore I was one part of this sun... and essentially was this sun...

The colors were white, and orange, and yellow/orange/red... white light was radiating from the fractals, and all colors were essentially 'there', yet not anywhere really.

I sat back in my chair, on my rooms porch, with all the green around me and the blue sky above me, with my head directly facing the sun...

at one point I lost myself, and the white light that was radiating in my CEV started to overtake everything... I felt it in my 'third eye' region ... as well as 'outside'.. both were one... and I felt more 'at home' than i've ever felt... as if in the womb. i can't explain it much further, but my creativity was essentially sparked post-whiteout.

it wasn't like I imagined, if that's what the prior posts are having to do with, I guess I should read more....



anyways, later on I heard a symphony of synchronistic harmony from the vibrations and squeals and pops of the train passing by.... I couldn't see it, as there was plenty of tree coverage and shrub/vine... whatever nature between me and it.

it was literally, a melody.... like ordered chaos.

in awe, I felt renewed this day, after the sacremental mushroom went it's way...

sorry if this is all ot.... kinda stoned



I believe NDE can almost be considered a passing of demensions..... at times the psychedelic experience mimicks or fully pronounces itself as a NDE, allowing the person a dynamic for reflection matched only by experiencing death itself.

NDE's and psychedelic experiences alike can produce a prominant imprinting in the psyche.

imagine living post death numerous times.... the insight gained if you were allowed to continue after (dying) by whatever cause, is unfathomable, and unimaginable unless you've died yourself, and somehow still continue on....

or... if you have taken a psychedelic....

or fallen out of an airplane and only had the hard ground to break your fall, yet still survive.

perhaps maybe some other forms can induce NDE... tramua, blah blah.. blah, you know better than me.


I believe NDE and relative phenomenon must be studied in order to better transcend our shells and hence, become what we will.
 
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Hektic said:
I've been hit by car, caught in a fire, had a seizure from an injury and I haven't seen a white light yet. Maybe God wants me here? To be his/her servant.
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Why does everybody assume God needs to be served? YOu serve others to better yourself.
 
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