First of all hello to this forum.
this is my very first post here and i would like to preemptively apologize in case that my question or anything related to my post might not be appropriate or perhaps better located in an other sub-forum.
I have consciously chosen the advanced discussion subforum, as I think that my question is a bit complicated and requires extended experience and deep insight / knowledge with regards to the pharmacology of designer stimulants and perhaps some experience with analytical chemistry, as I have also some GC/MS data at hand.
O.K., enough preface, let's start now.
As the thread title indicates, it's about a legally available dietary supplement that is pretty popular in the USA and in Europe (mainly in U.K.) and that has been introduced a few months ago by a dietary supplement company that used to produce and distribute products targeted to boybuilders, fitness-enthusiasts and athletes.
At the moment I won't mention the name of the product and of the company as I am not sure in how far this would be against the forum rules, but if I get green lights from admins or moderators, I can certainly mention the names in case that anyone is interested.
The said product is marketed for "fat loss", "appetite suppression" and "energy". Now, there are hundreds of such products, most of which are based on caffeine and some other herbal appetite suppressants. so far, so underwhelming.
However, this product unexpectedly gained a HUGE feedback from the user base (e.g. at bodybuilding boards/forums), with people reporting effects similar or even superior to methylphenidate or modafinil. Most strikingly, even one pill taken early in the morning (6 AM) causes whole-day appetite-suppression and mental energy, without the typical "crashes" that are known from caffeine/ephedrine based products. people report that they simply "forget to eat" and have to force themselves to down food in order to get a minimum of required nutrients. morover, during the first few nights, it is almost impossible to sleep, despite taking only one pill in the morning.
A comprehensive compilation of reported effects and symptoms:
- 12+ hours of appetite eradication
- extremely increased "mental energy"
- extremely increased drive to work
- insomina
- slight euphoria
- significant anxiogenic effects
- dry mouth
- dose-dependent teeth clinching / grinding
- hypervigilance
- tachycardia
While most people report that they got excellent focus and concentration, some reported amnesia-like effects, especially problems with working-memory.
Of course, it appears very probable that this dietary supplement is somehow adulterated or tainted with a designer stimulant, because according to the label it contains only 100 mg of caffeine, some amino acids (tryptophane, l-tyrosine), some herbal extracts ('cha de bugre' [=cordia salicifolia], acai berry extract, cocoa seed extract) and a minuscule amount of aniracetam. the total amount of the entire proprietary blend is 500 mg per serving. it is recommended to take only 1-2 servings in the morning (once daily).
So, many educated people tried to figure out and speculated what in all world would have such extreme effects that are entirely unknown from typical over-the-counter supplements. at various discussion boards, people have theorized that it might be modafinil or adrafinil or a derivative thereof, or perhaps a sibutramine derivative. People who have taken modafinil in the past have described the effects from this product as significantly stronger than modafinil, especially with regards to appetite suppression.
A chemist from USA got some caps sent by a concerned user and performed a GC/MS on it in his own lab. Unfortunately, although he is regarded as a world class chemist, he openly admitted that the spectrum is close to modafinil but does not match it entirely and that it most probably is a derivative he never heard of.
I have attached the mass spectrum on this product to this post and my question would be:
Does anybody have an educated guess what this stuff in question could be?
I have described the physiological effects as accurately and comprehensively as possible, and below there is the mass spectrum.
As I am one of the people who had been taking this product without knowing what it does contain (and still ebing clueless), I would really love to know whether anyone could help to figure out what is going on here.
Whic designer stimulants do you know would come close to the effects described here?
Any input would be very appreciated, regardless if pertaining to the GC/MS data or pertaining to pharmacological effects. Whoever does have a guess is highly welcomed to post it here.
Thank you very much in advance!!!
this is my very first post here and i would like to preemptively apologize in case that my question or anything related to my post might not be appropriate or perhaps better located in an other sub-forum.
I have consciously chosen the advanced discussion subforum, as I think that my question is a bit complicated and requires extended experience and deep insight / knowledge with regards to the pharmacology of designer stimulants and perhaps some experience with analytical chemistry, as I have also some GC/MS data at hand.
O.K., enough preface, let's start now.
As the thread title indicates, it's about a legally available dietary supplement that is pretty popular in the USA and in Europe (mainly in U.K.) and that has been introduced a few months ago by a dietary supplement company that used to produce and distribute products targeted to boybuilders, fitness-enthusiasts and athletes.
At the moment I won't mention the name of the product and of the company as I am not sure in how far this would be against the forum rules, but if I get green lights from admins or moderators, I can certainly mention the names in case that anyone is interested.
The said product is marketed for "fat loss", "appetite suppression" and "energy". Now, there are hundreds of such products, most of which are based on caffeine and some other herbal appetite suppressants. so far, so underwhelming.
However, this product unexpectedly gained a HUGE feedback from the user base (e.g. at bodybuilding boards/forums), with people reporting effects similar or even superior to methylphenidate or modafinil. Most strikingly, even one pill taken early in the morning (6 AM) causes whole-day appetite-suppression and mental energy, without the typical "crashes" that are known from caffeine/ephedrine based products. people report that they simply "forget to eat" and have to force themselves to down food in order to get a minimum of required nutrients. morover, during the first few nights, it is almost impossible to sleep, despite taking only one pill in the morning.
A comprehensive compilation of reported effects and symptoms:
- 12+ hours of appetite eradication
- extremely increased "mental energy"
- extremely increased drive to work
- insomina
- slight euphoria
- significant anxiogenic effects
- dry mouth
- dose-dependent teeth clinching / grinding
- hypervigilance
- tachycardia
While most people report that they got excellent focus and concentration, some reported amnesia-like effects, especially problems with working-memory.
Of course, it appears very probable that this dietary supplement is somehow adulterated or tainted with a designer stimulant, because according to the label it contains only 100 mg of caffeine, some amino acids (tryptophane, l-tyrosine), some herbal extracts ('cha de bugre' [=cordia salicifolia], acai berry extract, cocoa seed extract) and a minuscule amount of aniracetam. the total amount of the entire proprietary blend is 500 mg per serving. it is recommended to take only 1-2 servings in the morning (once daily).
So, many educated people tried to figure out and speculated what in all world would have such extreme effects that are entirely unknown from typical over-the-counter supplements. at various discussion boards, people have theorized that it might be modafinil or adrafinil or a derivative thereof, or perhaps a sibutramine derivative. People who have taken modafinil in the past have described the effects from this product as significantly stronger than modafinil, especially with regards to appetite suppression.
A chemist from USA got some caps sent by a concerned user and performed a GC/MS on it in his own lab. Unfortunately, although he is regarded as a world class chemist, he openly admitted that the spectrum is close to modafinil but does not match it entirely and that it most probably is a derivative he never heard of.
I have attached the mass spectrum on this product to this post and my question would be:
Does anybody have an educated guess what this stuff in question could be?
I have described the physiological effects as accurately and comprehensively as possible, and below there is the mass spectrum.
As I am one of the people who had been taking this product without knowing what it does contain (and still ebing clueless), I would really love to know whether anyone could help to figure out what is going on here.
Whic designer stimulants do you know would come close to the effects described here?
Any input would be very appreciated, regardless if pertaining to the GC/MS data or pertaining to pharmacological effects. Whoever does have a guess is highly welcomed to post it here.
Thank you very much in advance!!!
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which is why he gets shitty with all the high school students coming on here posting crap haha.