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Opioids Mylan type Fentanyl patches-smoke or inject?

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nelsonmandela

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Sorry I did a fair amount of searching around the site and couldnt find the info I was looking for. I saw plenty of info about how to abuse the gel type patches. I have an enormous IV heroin habit, and I came into posession of 2 fent patches. They are mylan brand, 75 ug/hr. Was wondering if anyone had any tips on how to extract the fent from these types of patches so I could inject them. If thats not possible, then to smoke them I guess. Or if all else fails, Ill just slap em on the skin. But since I like to IV my drugs, id prefer that. Any tips?
 
IVing them is extremely dangerous and not just because you can OD very easily even with a huge dope habit. Cut in in quarters and put one in your mouth like a tobacco dip, letting the spit stay in your mouth and move around. You won't get an IV rush but you also won't waste any like you do smoking it.
 
why is it dangerous? Aside from the risk of OD? Would it be better to slap both patches on at same time, or to suck on parts of the patches at seperate times. Will I get high from wearing both patches at once, or does it release the fent too slowly to get a high if you are already using a gram of heroin IV per day?
 
Though you mention that you are using a gram of Heroin IV a day the quality of Heroin varies greatly.
Would it be possible for you to post your tolerance to another opiate. Oxycodone, Oxymorphone, Morphine, etc.
As with that information we'd have a better idea as to your tolerance level & can be of more use in answering your question.
 
The best way to use the patches is to simply wear them like they were meant to be used. I've always gotten the best results with just wearing the patches. It takes a long time to start working (~4-6+ hours) but it is worth the wait so just be patient. It isn't instant. To speed up the release of fentanyl after the patch is applied, use an external heat source.

Heating pads work just fine, but a blow dryer will suffice. Apply heat in 10 minute intervals. Don't over do it because not only does it speed the release of fent, but you can burn and blister trying to tough through the pain. That's no fun, trust me.

Apply the patch to a freshly cleaned, dry, hairless(shaved) area. Once the patch is on, leave it on. Don't remove it unless you're sick, or done with it. If you try to peel it up and reapply it dead skin will adhere to the matrix, gumming up the works so to speak. Makes it a bitch to put back on, so leave it alone.

You can use the patch buccally (between the gums and cheek) but a lot gets washed down your throat mixed with your saliva if you swallow. Because of fentanyls poor oral bioavailability swallowed fentanyl is wasted fentanyl.
 
ok so I just put on both patches. One on my chest, the other on my shoulder. They are both the 75ug/hr patches. I have been doin 1 gram of black tar heroin IV per day. I would say its some of the best tar ive ever had in over 10 yrs of doin heroin. So anyways, thats my tolerance. Now Im wondering if I should have just done 1 at a time to make em last longer. But the junkie in me feared 1 patch wouldnt do much to me with my tolerance
 
There's plenty of info on why its bad to shoot pills and fent gel if you want to look it up. The main advantage of buccal use is that you can conserve so much. If you put a patch on and take it off, and put it on later, you are compromising the amount of fent you get. Its better to do a proper buccal dose because it hits you so quick and doesn't waste any if you do it right. And you can re-dose another quarter of a patch a few hours later and get a rush again, as opposed to wearing the patch and having a slow and steady effect. If you're into IV you will probably be dissapointed unless you wear two at once, but you'd also be wasting a lot of fent IMO (only because its so easy to make them last if you cut pieces and use buccally)

edit-I would take them off and take my advice. Since they are 75's, cut one into halves and do them back-to-back if desired. Make sure you keep the gel in for 10-15 minutes without swallowing. Then you have a whole other patch for later or tomorrow. Just my 2 cents. I have a lot of experience with these patches among other things, and buccal use is the best/most popular, at least outside of internet talk IME.
 
Do not remove the patches once they've been applied. Dead skin cells will adhere to the matrix, essentially nerfing your patch. The dead skin will keep the matrix from sticking to your gums properly. You could do that, but IMO it would be counter-productive and you will end up wasting more than you get.
 
nelsonmandela said:
ok so I just put on both patches. One on my chest, the other on my shoulder. They are both the 75ug/hr patches. I have been doin 1 gram of black tar heroin IV per day. I would say its some of the best tar ive ever had in over 10 yrs of doin heroin. So anyways, thats my tolerance. Now Im wondering if I should have just done 1 at a time to make em last longer. But the junkie in me feared 1 patch wouldnt do much to me with my tolerance
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I dont think you'll be clickin yer heels & jumpin fer joy cause the high is so (strong)...
 
Oxide said:
Do not remove the patches once they've been applied. Dead skin cells will adhere to the matrix, essentially nerfing your patch. The dead skin will keep the matrix from sticking to your gums properly. You could do that, but IMO it would be counter-productive and you will end up wasting more than you get.
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He's talking about the gel patches. It's okay to take them off especially if you just put it on, as long as you store it or do it immediately. You are right about the regular patches though.
 
I used to smoke them. Basically, you just vape it, smoking the plastic fumes and all. If you have high tolerance, I don't think that putting them on skin is gonna do much for you - for comparison, when I was using fent, I had moderate tolerance and would smoke about 1mg at a time. Wearing two of those patches, you're only getting 0.15mg / hour.
See how you feel though, and if you ain't getting much after a couple hours, you could try smoking or chewing. As Oxide said they may absorb slower through mouth, though i've worn patches then smoked or eaten them afterwards. As long as you really chew on em thoroughly and for a decent amount of time (until all bitter taste is gone), shouldn't be much trouble.
 
spaceyourbass said:
He's talking about the gel patches. It's okay to take them off especially if you just put it on, as long as you store it or do it immediately. You are right about the regular patches though.
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I don't think Mylan makes a gel patch, only the plastic matrix type. I could be wrong I suppose.

nelsonmandela said:
I saw plenty of info about how to abuse the gel type patches. I have an enormous IV heroin habit, and I came into posession of 2 fent patches. They are mylan brand, 75 ug/hr.
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Sorry if I'm mistaken about the type of patch, in my mind mylan=matrix.
 
so Im not gettin a ton of effect out of these. Will it be worth it to leave one on, and eather chew on the other one, or smoke it on some foil? Actually one fell off anyways, so im wondering what to do with it
 
are you aure it would be pointless to chew on it now. The dead skin cells wont come off over time in my mouth or something. Damn i wanna maximize these fuckers and one fell off. I feel a slight increase in mood, but not much, and ive been wearin them for a few hours. Just about 15 min ago one fell off
 
Chewing them now should be fine.

Check the total mg in them, it should be about 12mg for 75ug patches if I remember correctly.

I would start by chewing about 1mg, so cut the patch into quarters, then half one of the quarters.
 
nelsonmandela said:
are you aure it would be pointless to chew on it now. The dead skin cells wont come off over time in my mouth or something. Damn i wanna maximize these fuckers and one fell off. I feel a slight increase in mood, but not much, and ive been wearin them for a few hours. Just about 15 min ago one fell off
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It is okay to "chew" one now, you do have the gel patches right? Put it in your mouth an seperate the plastic so that all of the gel comes out, then lick the plastic for remaining fent, discard it, and keep the gel-spit in your mouth (gums and under the tongue specifically) for at least 10-15 minutes. Like the person above said start with a quarter patch. Do more 15-30 minutes later if you feel like it.
 
The official pamflet says, that you shouldn't wear patches stronger than 25 micros / h if you have no opioid tolerance, but how is it in practice: how strong patch could you wear safely, with no tolerance? A bit off-topic, but decided to ask anyway.
 
Oxide said:
Do not remove the patches once they've been applied. Dead skin cells will adhere to the matrix, essentially nerfing your patch. The dead skin will keep the matrix from sticking to your gums properly. You could do that, but IMO it would be counter-productive and you will end up wasting more than you get.
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Eh, it's possible that I wasted some Fentanyl by using the patch as directed, then removing after approximately 1.5 days of use, and cut up and used sublingually (usually half a strip will make me nod in about 5-10 minutes and it will keep me sound asleep for 8-10 hours at least. I keep my "leftover" part of patch in a ziplock bag closed tightly to ensure the patch is not exposed to excess oxygen.

I feel a noticeable "high" while on the patch after 6-8 hours (I think it's ~8h to peak plasma level), then after sleeping and another half a day, notice the Fentanyl isn't affecting me much anymore. So I remove it (and I never get excess skin cells...and the patch won't be as sticky and difficult to place in the mouth if they aren't fresh).

Anyway, I'd imagine that for me, using the patch as intended, then removing and sublingually using it, allows me to get the most bang for the amount. I had only 25ug patches, btw. And a very low opiate tolerance in general.
 
I'm against smoking and IVing fentanyl, I've had friends die from IVing and my own brother OD from smoking (eyes rolled back into his head, throwing up out his window which I was too unfortunate to be standing under on our back porch). seriously, just chew on the mf'ers. you'll get high, trust.
 
Is there a reason other than overdose (I know, pretty much ultimate reason), but as someone on suboxone, who sucked up withdrawals for over a day after coming across patches, I noted there is no website which shows safe injection methods. I may not be up to date on everything, but I hold a doctorate, and have always been able to determine how via following whether how lipophilic or hydrophilic something is, I always have multiple doses of naloxone with me, and a friend with a doctorate (staying vague) who is a better friend to me than I to him, but ready to administer naloxone and get me to the er around the road asap

With that said I tried various methods I won’t name as they led to both pain on injection and another I didn’t try as buddy and I agree it could potentially lead to loss of limb. However I know for certain patients in the ER (read about on pubmed) who were able to extract. These patients mostly wound up there for not understanding they were getting mg’s, not the micro/hour, as well as the xxxx strength compared to morphine

As one of the only sites which I have sent patients and students to in order to try and find some empathy or simply understanding, I’m not sure of the morality of a decision to not offer safe injection.

In conclusion I’d like to mention two things. I have family who súrcame to the current epidemic, I’m sure many of us have friends, but I am a huge believer in the more information we share, the safer we are. My buddy does not have any good or bad reactions to opioids for which I say and he knows how lucky he is, and has been by my side as I have up family and career. Also, thanks for the amount of good you do. Afoaf said his preceptor in the acute psych ward sent ever student here to write a report, citing the knowledge and lecture which was offered from our institution. One in which cocaine was $300 a gram and could kill you by handling it. (Please note the fore-mentioned lecture was provided by a southern retired investigator with political aspirations)
 
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