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Bupe my successful sub taper and jump. not too rough at all!

LucidSDreamr

LucidSDreamr

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first before my story, Check out this scientific paper:

http://www.hindawi.com/journals/isrn...y/2013/546030/

its about DXM plus clonidine for withdrawal, the combination does work quite well as far as eliminating anxiety and making sleep possible. it has helped me quite a bit


after using oxy and h for about 3 years i got on subs. was on them for about 6 months and tapered down to about .25 mg per day.

Then came time to jump since I had a few week off from work. First I went 4 days without sub but then accidentally took some diphenydramine (which is a terrible idea if you are withdrawing, as it will cause terrible anxiety and RLS).

so I felt so miserable after the dipphen that I took another .5 mg of sub that night. From then on I haven't touched it. The 3rd or fourth day was the worst. But 300mg of DXM per day and .2 mg of clonidine 3X per day made all the difference. I was able to sleep by the 4th day for about 5 hours a night. Now at day 6 I am starting to improve quite a bit and see the light at the end of the tunnel. the worst symptom right now is severe fatigue and minor anxiety. exercising has helped also if I could muster the strength to do so.

I've heard that some people don't get hit with the worst of the sub withdrawals till after a week or so, but i'm hoping that isn't the case for me since I tapered down to such a small dose and did 4 days off before going for the 6 days i'm currently at.

I can say it feels amazing to think that I won't have to worry about always having drugs or going into withdrawal, that piece of mind is what makes me feel so good about going through this torture and feeling like shit for weeks or how ever long it is going to be.

I'm going to my sub doctor tomorrow and hoping to get some wellbutrin to help with the PAWS fatigue which i can deal with right now, but if i have to go back to work and it hasn't subsided that could suck.
 
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That's awesome man. Glad to hear you see the light at the end of the tunnel, but just remember your not out of the woods yet.

That's one thing I've noticed; every time I see someone start a thread saying "jumped off sub, wasn't bad at all", I click it only to find out they're not even a week in.

I'm not saying that to discourage you and its awesome you've found comfort meds that have worked for you and that you're able to get a decent nights sleep, but it's just an observation I've made.
 
Yea thats a concern I still have. some people say it gets worst at more than a week in.

does the fact that I've felt major improvement from the 4 to 6 day mark mean that Im through the worst yet? or could it spike back to being terrible again in a few days?


I like to tell myself that I had so little sub in me when i started these 6 days bc I had gone 4 days before that, that its better than being at 6 days from jump off from a daily dose
 
I'm not the best to be asking about a sub taper cause I've never fully completed one and I'm still at 2-4mg a day, but from what I hear it comes in waves.

Like you'll be fine for a few mins/hours/days and things won't be intense and you'll think everythings just peachy and you'll be fine and then you'll randomly get hit with a wave of shittiness that can last mins/hours/days that will remind you that your still going thru withdrawal from a powerful opiate even if only a partial agonist.
 
Everyday being off the bupe you will be improving even if it doesn't seem like it. Once you start sleeping, stop yawning constantly that's when you notice the most improvement. Last time I got clean the main symptom that stayed with me for a while was diarrhea for a couple months. Not even that bad. The whole thing with bupe withdrawal is the depression/anxiety. Once that lifts well it's just a matter of trying not to relapse because you think you can control yourself. I've made that mistake and it cost me another year of my life being addicted.
 
to be honest, there is a voice in the back of my head saying, "once I'm totally clean and not addicted, I will wanna do a shot of dilaudid"

this is what scares me. of course nobody wants to relapse into full blown addiction, but a one time sort of deal somewhere down the line is tempting. oh well there are better drugs out there that aren't addictive so maybe they can take the place of opiates.
 
^I've tried substances from every class of drugs I can think of, and unfortunately Opiates remain my favorite by a real long fuckin shot, despite all the hell they have put me through. If you like stimulants be careful not to get too spun out in the near future, have no benzos, and then fall back onto Opiates because you let yourself forget how much your body/mind loves Opiates, and you needed something for the come down.

I'm currently on Subs right now, a question for anybody that's gone through a Opiate/oid addiction and come out the other end: how long did it take for the depression/anxiety to lift for you? And specifically, if you had an anxiety or insomnia problem that predated your Opiate addiction did you end up taking benzos?

I want to try and quit Opiates, mainly to break my physical addiction, but my anxiety is out of my control, and I'm prone to long, nasty bouts of insomnia... I worry those issues will destroy my quality of life or lead me to replace my opiate addiction with a benzo addiction, and being addicted to opiates is bad enough...
 
LucidSDreamr said:
to be honest, there is a voice in the back of my head saying, "once I'm totally clean and not addicted, I will wanna do a shot of dilaudid"

this is what scares me. of course nobody wants to relapse into full blown addiction, but a one time sort of deal somewhere down the line is tempting. oh well there are better drugs out there that aren't addictive so maybe they can take the place of opiates.
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Congratulations Lucid, I really hope you make it man! Be careful with other opiates if you're craving Dilaudid, I had tried quitting bupe and relapsed on dope when I was in withdrawal and it was not worth it for me.
 
6 days in i stopped the DXM, now I can't sleep and some anxiety creeping up. had to go out at 5 in the morning to get more tussin gels.
 
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Blind Melon said:
I'm currently on Subs right now, a question for anybody that's gone through a Opiate/oid addiction and come out the other end: how long did it take for the depression/anxiety to lift for you? And specifically, if you had an anxiety or insomnia problem that predated your Opiate addiction did you end up taking benzos?

I want to try and quit Opiates, mainly to break my physical addiction, but my anxiety is out of my control, and I'm prone to long, nasty bouts of insomnia... I worry those issues will destroy my quality of life or lead me to replace my opiate addiction with a benzo addiction, and being addicted to opiates is bad enough...
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Everyones different, I'v heard peoples depression lasting up to a year. same with anxiety. for me it comes day by day, sometimes il be super happy and optimistic, next day its fuck everything. no triggers, nothing needed to set my moods off, they just come and go as they please.
As for the benzo addiction, im right there with ya. I try and space those out as much as possible, though iv noticed I never really make it more than a week without taking some. But fuck a benzo addiction forreal I've never had a seizure but i know people who have and they aint fun. at all.
 
at day 7, I can't sleep at all now, haven't slept in two days. throat is closing up so fucking tight. I drank a red bull bc i was tired and had to drive 3 hours and it has thrown me into a bad anxiety fit lasting 12 hours and going…..its weird, i felt fine before the red bull, i hoopoe it was just that and not the withdrawal getting worse.

i'm doing everything in my power to not reach for a sub right now.
 
Hang on in there lucid. You have done such a great job. Do you have any DXM you can take for the anxiety? If not I know it might sound a bit silly but try listening to some delta wave sounds. I listen to them when I can't sleep if I'm in withdrawal they won't put me to sleep but really help with calming the anxiety. Keep on. Sending you positive vibes.
 
I took DXM and after it hit, then i went sprinting as shitty as i felt, i was dizzy. but now the anxiety has subsided greatly.

I'm a bit worried I've been taking too much DXM, i've been doing about 300mg almost every day for about a week
 
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