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Mushrooms - 5th time - Is there any hope?

shneed

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So this was my fifth time tripping on shrooms. Every previous trip had been accompanied by fear/paranoia at some point, but when I got over it the trip would be very fun and enlightening, not this trip though.
I was so excited to take the shrooms that when we put them in the blender to make or orange juice/shrooms smoothie, I didn't even pay attention to how much we had. They were sold as a little less than two eighths. Now that I look back on it, I could have ingested anywhere from 6-8 grams. I knew I had made a big mistake when I started noticing open eye visuals only minutes after finishing the drink. I can only recall very little of what followed in the next 6 hours.
I became very paranoid and preoccupied with the idea of death. I had not been in a great mindstate the previous few days, and I know I shouldn't have taken the shrooms. I was with one friend who began doing things which I cannot rationalize. I came to the conclusion that he was my guardian angel or god or something similar. He would be walking around swing a bat pretending to hit baseballs and it seemed like he was doing miraculous things. He would move and take a swing and when my eyes caught up with him again they would immediately move to look directly above him, and everytime this happened it seemed he ended up standing under a cloud, like a halo. I thought he had completely control over this and thats where my entire reality left me and it was like I had been alive for all my life, but everything I had ever learned meant nothing.
Due to my depressed state I did some self-reflection, which made thigns so much worse, I hated every part of myself. This got me to thinking that it was judgement day. And that I still might have a chance to redeem myself. Now let me make it clear that I in no way believe in God, Satan, Heaven, or Hell. But for some reason it seemed like I was going to pay for not believing.
The trippiest, most real, frightening part of the experience happened when we proceeded to play some paddle tennis, which is like tennis just played on a court about a third the size of a normal one. I thought that my friend was using the game to teach me how to live a happy life. And that all I had to do was have fun, and not think to much about anything. So I started hitting the ball with no technique or thinking whatsoever. It felt like a noodle, I would just loosely swing my arm and hit the ball perfect almost everytime. I felt like I was doing nothing but just flailing around, that had me convinced the real world was gone forever.
The rest of the trip I was just confused as hell trying to pass "test" after test after test. All I did was worry the whole time whether I was going to spend eternity in this awful mind state (which it felt like I WAS doing at the time) or if I'd spend it in complete and utter bliss. There were parts where I didn't know where the past hour had gone, then parts where seconds seemed like years. I also predicted the future at some points, or so I thought I was predicting it.
I finally came down after about 7 hours to something that resembled a world I had once known in a past lifetime. Those 7 hours were the most signicant in my life. All my time before, and seemingly after, pales in comparison to what went on then. Now the problem is that my feelings tell me that I did actually experience what was going on, all the supernatural aspects. But my logic KNOWS that I just ingested a large amount of a chemical that can severly alter ones perception for a period of time. I dont think the problem is so much that I don't know what is reality or not, but that this experience is going to stick with me, and keep me thinking "how the fuck did that happen?". The future seems to hold nothing for me, like that I have acquired true knowldge of existence...that it doesn't really MEAN anything. All life is is an illusion, sure we don't know why things are the way they are, but the fact is that they exist, and for the same reason we do. Which is things just turned out this way. There is no big plan, no eternal happiness, or sadness for that matter. You live, do what you do, die, then you just go to sleep and never wake up.
I know this sounds extremely pessimistic, and that in a few days my outlook will probably improve somewhat. But for now I am just miserable. I'd like to hear from someone who's gone through something like this and tell me how and if you recovered and how long it took. Or how I can use this experience to learn from and improve the quality of life. Thank you for reading. And if this is better suited in The Dark Side, feel free to move it, I just figured I'd hear from more experienced psychonauts in this forum,
Edited title to meet forum standards. :)
[ 24 August 2002: Message edited by: shannabanana ]
 
something kinda of similar happened to me. But in not so much detail. The last time I had shrooms, (the smallest amt I have ever had) (1g)I was having a great time with my friends but then someone came over. One of my friends mother. And she wasnt supposed to know I or my other girl friend was on it. so what seemed like eternity she stayed there for a while. Well during the time she was there i kept my mouth completly shut. Meaning i had all my thoughts to myself. I started freaking out silently in my head. I was like oh my god! she can't know we are doing this. She will tell my parents!!! (even though i live on my own and my parents don't know any of my friends) Then i started worrying about time! THinking I had so much to do in life and i didn't think i had any time. finally when she left which was actually about 20 min later. I told my friends i had to go home@!! they were like are you serious. I told them i am freaking out. and i gave them the rest of the shrooms i had, Like 3gs, and i drove home. Big mistake@!!! it was the most terrifing drive i have ever had. I felt like everyone knew and they were all trying to hit me with there cars. I went home and super cleaned my house in like 15 minutes took a shower and finally mellowed out. I told myself i am never doing it again. And now its a month later and i want it again. The other times i have done it outweighs this one bad trip. My point is I believe you will eventually feel yourself again. Whether you do it again or not you will realize it was all silly. At least that is how i feel now. :)
 
yeah, shrooms seem to do that to me as well. in fact i think i have had more bad trips (by bad, i mean ones where negative thoughts dominates, no "breakthrough" into divine happiness) but these were the ones that proved to be most useful in discovering more about myself. Many times I would find myself faced with all the ugly, disgusting aspects of my personality, and i've come out of these trips vowing to change these for the better.
Similar to your experience, schneed, I've sometimes on shrooms realised that I am nothing but a mere organism, part of subsystem which is part of an infite other series of subsystems, making me feel so incompletely significant in the scheme of things. During these times I guess you can either be completely overcome by this realisation, and spend the rest of the trip greiving, or appreciate the enormous powers of the forces (whatever they may be) that keep the whole thing running in perfect equilibrium?!
I dunno, sometimes it feels like the best part of the shroom trip is afterwards, when everything is coming back together and you have a newfound appreciation for all those concepts that were dealt with during the trip (be it good or bad).
Shrooms for me have been the great "humbler", possibly because they have shown the most ego-disintegrating effects on me than other psychedelics... so I hope next time (im sure you know now) you approach with caution!
 
I dunno, sometimes it feels like the best part of the shroom trip is afterwards, when everything is coming back together and you have a newfound appreciation for all those concepts that were dealt with during the trip (be it good or bad).
^^^^^^^^^
too true.
it's funny you should post this...I had a very similar experience today. And I had a semi revelation: even if "reality" as we conceive it is an illusion created by everyday thoughts and conciousness...does it matter?
Who is to say REAL REALITY is mushroom reality? and even if it was, from an objective point of view, since you can't interact with it during normal life unless you have shrooms or acid, it would be irrelevant.
Reality is what you live in.
The rest is paranoia or wishful thinking. This is what I learned from my trip today, and hope to remember it for a while :D
So there, there's still hope
[ 24 August 2002: Message edited by: Fujicrow ]
 
you might want to check out http://www.shroomery.org for better anwsers but often when you eat upwards off 6 grams of shrooms can cause a "class 4" trip or an ego busting trip. its where you destory everything about yourself and are left with the negatives and then can move forward with your life. the site says some people do this on purpose but i wouldn't wish this fate on anyone, i to made the mistake of eating 6 grams ( i'll never do that again). don't worry it does get better and believe it or not though i'll never do it again i'm not sad that i went through that expirences. the trials and test that i put myself through have made me a better person and i think i learned more from that trip then any other one.
i also got that life is nothing feeling right after it and all was meaningless. but over time and being able to look back with hindsight several monthes later that feeling has turned into life is just one big trip with peaks and valleys. i know there will be both so it has made appericate the good times a little more because i do realise when i'm in them. and the low times are a little easier because i know with work i can turn it around.
oh and who ever said that moment where your coming back into reality is the best part of the trip you dead right. for that small time frame where reality is meeting up with dreamland as your coming back through time and for a moment the stars and moons aline and you finnaly understand what life is about.
[ 29 August 2002: Message edited by: fozzy ]
 
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