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Mushroom Visuals

when using psychedelics regularly i can usually get quite intricate visuals with very little intoxication of most sorts, particularly with cannabis.

even while sober i've had my world shift unexpectedly. it's subtle but noticeable. even now, i haven't tripped in a few months and can still notice the ceiling glide if i look at it long enough. i think it's motion is just imprinted in my brain. once my brain thought in that way it can still recall thinking in that way. learned behavior of some sort.
 
Big stroonz I think a lot of people here have mild to moderate HPPD or signs thereof because we use psychedelics very regularly. If you keep the appropriate time in between there shouldn't be much signs at all but many people who frequent PD don't only frequent the forum PD but also the stuff PD. And just because we do doesn't make anything "normal".
 
Yea I don't think normal is the right word for it. More like common/ not serious in most cases.

I myself have this from eating a lot of LSD on a semi-regular basis. It does not bother me at all though.

I think the idea that this is always there but we just don't notice it until we take psychedelics is BS. It seems pretty obvious this is a real neurological side effect and some are more susceptible to it than others.

And yes I believe it can only be considered a disorder when it affects your life negatively.
 
It seems to be a decent indication that tryptamines and phenethylamines can cause residual changes in brain function. Not sure if it would be considered damage though because it does not really impair anything (except in it's most extreme form).

The strange thing is that I have never noticed this after a mushroom trip but only really noticed after using LSD. It seems that some chemicals are more likely to cause this than others. 2c-i is one that comes to mind as having a large amount of people who mention hppd like symptoms.

IMO, It has to be something more than just not noticing it before.
 
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Delta-9-THC said:
It seems to be a decent indication that tryptamines and phenethylamines can cause residual changes in brain function. Not sure if it would be considered damage though because it does not really impair anything (except in it's most extreme form).

The strange thing is that I have never noticed this after a mushroom trip but only really noticed after using LSD. It seems that some chemicals are more likely to cause this than others. 2c-i is one that comes to mind as having a large amount of people who mention hppd like symptoms.

IMO, It has to be something more than just not noticing it before.
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Residual changes doesn't necessary mean negative changes...

The main issue with this topic of "lingering visuals" is that there are people who have HPPD-like symptoms that have never used psychedelics before; like tracers and "static" especially at night. These people consider it normal.

That's why although it is something more than just not noticing it before, it doesn't mean that it wasn't there before. I think it's increased endogenous DMT production that occurs after using psychedelics, that allows you to perceive your world of reality different.
 
I agree that they aren't necessarily negative although they can be for some people. I actually find it pleasant at times and it never bothers me when I am doing tasks and is only noticeable when I am relaxed/spacing out.

The idea that endogenous DMT is behind it is an interesting one although impossible to say whether it might be true because we don't even know how or even why the DMT in our bodies is produced. The idea that it is produced by the pineal gland is just a theory I believe.

Because of this it's hard to give any reason as to why DMT production would increase upon ingestion of another psychedelic. Doesn't mean it isn't happening though.
 
Delta-9-THC said:
I agree that they aren't necessarily negative although they can be for some people. I actually find it pleasant at times and it never bothers me when I am doing tasks and is only noticeable when I am relaxed/spacing out.

The idea that endogenous DMT is behind it is an interesting one although impossible to say whether it might be true because we don't even know how or even why the DMT in our bodies is produced. The idea that it is produced by the pineal gland is just a theory I believe.

Because of this it's hard to give any reason as to why DMT production would increase upon ingestion of another psychedelic. Doesn't mean it isn't happening though.
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Whether DMT comes from the Pineal gland or the entire Ventricular area doesn't really matter, DMT is in our Cerebrospinal fluid which serves as a great function to our brain and spinal cord.
 
You would certainly think so, but what evidence do you have of any function and what would that function be? Let me remind you that DMT found in a lot of plants seems to be no more than an intermediate in the metabolism of plant hormones. Who is to say that DMT nerves not much more than such a role in our bodies, as an intermediate to neurotransmitters rather than being one itself?

Besides, it's concentration seems to be higher in certain psychiatric patients such as schizophrenics. I'm not saying the DMT experience is not grand, but there are pretty seemingly delusional qualities to it that call for some scepticism. IMO It can be a grave error to vest too much inherent truth and positivity into these things. DMT is useful but be really careful about calling what it produces more than a subjective reality.
 
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It's not about problems in life, it's about being mislead...
In the first place I am always interested in what I can learn from an experience regardless of what the truth is, but right there in the second place I am still interested in distinguishing fantasy from reality.
 
i see little moving, what apears to be microscopic worms in the air.
idk what it's from, but i see it lol.
 
Solipsis said:
It's not about problems in life, it's about being mislead...
In the first place I am always interested in what I can learn from an experience regardless of what the truth is, but right there in the second place I am still interested in distinguishing fantasy from reality.
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Well said. There's nothing wrong with believing what you are shown just like there is nothing specifically wrong with subscribing to a religion.

If you are concerned with searching for truth and not believing what is convenient/comforting then skepticism is a necessity.

Whatever you decide is best for you and what you will allow yourself to believe. Putting too much stock in these experiences is an easy out IMO but I understand the appeal.
 
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Besides, it's concentration seems to be higher in certain psychiatric patients such as schizophrenics.
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That's the point, their endogenous DMT levels are a lot higher, therefore their "reality thermostat" is off by a lot. They are partially in this world and partially placed in another simultaneously. Not exactly the ideal situation for anybody...
 
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i see little moving, what apears to be microscopic worms in the air.
idk what it's from, but i see it lol.
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I bet you 100 bucks you are talking about a floater.
And I don't mean the type of poop that just won't let you flush it.


Delta-9-THC said:
Well said. There's nothing wrong with believing what you are shown just like there is nothing specifically wrong with subscribing to a religion.

If you are concerned with searching for truth and not believing what is convenient/comforting then skepticism is a necessity.

Whatever you decide is best for you and what you will allow yourself to believe. Putting too much stock in these experiences is an easy out IMO but I understand the appeal.
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If you ask me it's not that simple: subscribing to a religion is in my opinion only OK if you base it on your own experiences in agreement. The alternative, namely, is following a church and they tend to have agenda's concerned with power and control. The lazy believer is a dangerous one, beware of assuming any "revelation". Without your own living beliefs that is nothing but hearsay.
Institutes don't deserve unconditional loyalty, I think there is much suffering in the world that comes from misplaced unconditionalism.
Bonds and alliances are of course not evil, but if you stop questioning them you open the door to very unconscious obedience.

I guess I would call myself a Zen buddhist because I have come to find that I have ideas identical with that but it is not a religion.
In fact, I like it because it is universally undermining everything. As far as conditioning sets of ideas go, this one is the most deconditioning as possible... which combines rather nicely with psychedelic experiences. ;)


Oh by the way - concerning weakly supported ideas - I have to say that up until about a year ago I was involving myself in all sorts of ideas, thinking that I could link stuff like quantum mechanics and psychology and mysticism without enough knowledge about it - even though I am quite knowledgeable about these things. Unfortunately you still need to be more: something like an expert. It's so easy to stop being sceptical enough, because scepticism is so often confused with narrow-mindedness. This is NOT the case and it took me a while to find out.
After that I let a sweep of sceptic censorship go over my ideas and I filtered it until it became more epistemologically sound.

:)
 
Yes I agree. What I mean is that there isn't anything inherently wrong with subscribing to a set of beliefs. I think it would be unfair to deny people that comfort because some people really just aren't cut out for analytical thought and just need something to guide them.

The problem comes when people commit blind faith to what is essentially an organization with an agenda. That is when religion crosses the line and becomes destructive.

I do think that we need to be careful that we aren't trying fulfill our own subconscious desires by drawing flimsy connections and holding them as truth(case in point: quantum mechanics and DMT). We as humans have an immense urge to anthropomorphize the universe to make it more comprehensible and less alien. I can feel this in myself and it is very tempting. The word god holds an incredible subconscious power.
 
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