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Morning Glory seeds + Nitrous + Cannabis -- Experienced -- Not Making Sense

bluedolphin

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Morning Glory seeds + Nitrous + Cannabis - Not Making Sense

This was perhaps my 15th time eating either morning glory or HBWR seeds. This particular occasion came about because I had nothing else to do that night, and I was interested in the supposedly awesome combination of psychedelics and nitrous.

My dose was 200 heavenly blue seeds, soaked and rinsed thoroughly. Then chewed as well as possible and rinsed down in gross pulpy portions. The taste of these seeds is not particularly strong, but they are nonetheless disgusting and leave a slimey, soapy residue in your mouth (I believe this is what causes nausea, so I try to spit this stuff out if possible).

Tonight's participants would be myself and my girlfriend S. We are both experienced with the substance. S typically feels nauseous from the seeds, and I typically experience muscle spasms and sometimes minor body pains. To combat the nausea we both drank some Equate (which worked very well for short periods of time, we ended up drinking a lot of Equate).

Before we had even finished eating our seeds I felt the familiar light pressure in the skull and a slight buzz. This was not imagined. While chewing the seeds apparently some of the alkaloids seep in through your gums and mouth.

T+0:30
At this point I am higher than I normally would be from this dose. I am also very surprised to see that only thirty minutes have passed. We were watching a Family Guy episode but I was already becoming distracted by shifts in my visual field.

T+1:00
The Equate is working allright for me, although my stomach is a bit uncomfortable, S is not doing so well. We go to smoke a bowl to help with the nausea.

T+2:00
At this point I am tripping a strong ++ , and still coming up. I figure it must be about the peak of the trip, but then I look at the clock and realize its only been 2 hours. Normally it takes me 4 hours to peak from MG seeds. At this point I realized that in the next 2 hours I would become much more messed up than I was right now, and as I had this thought it looked like the room was underwater. I had the feeling like I was suffocating and struggling to get enough air. For some reason I was starting to panic, but then I realized that typically, the negative side effects go away before the peak. This gave me some peace of mind, although from that point on I can't say I was comfortable with the trip.

T+3:00
I am at a visual ++ and a mental strong +++. S is getting nauseous and tries to throw up a few times with no luck. She is basically in her own little world, not much that I am saying to her makes sense to her. I might have asked her something and she would answer back as if I was talking about something that was kind of related, but obviously not what I was talking about. Open eye visuals include the room looking like it is smaller or larger than normal, and the designs on my tapestries shifting about. There is some light patterning and color-changing of the walls as well. However I am not really finding it that interesting because I basically feel as if I should be committed to a mental hospital.

T+4:00
We tried sex, but it was too confusing because we kept confusing the other's intentions. So we decided it would be a good time to smoke a bowl and then bust out the nitrous...
*inhale*
ahhhhhhhhhhh
*inhale*
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
*inhale*
woooooooooooooooooow

The first thing that happened was all my bodily discomfort disappeared. I guess since dentists use this stuff that should be expected. Then I felt really calm and like I wasn't insane anymore. I laid back and closed by eyes and had some pretty nice CEV's. Basically, I wasn't blown into some trippy universe like I have heard (I have yet to try nitrous with mushrooms, I will probably very soon!)... but I actually got something even more valuable at the time which was mental and physical comfort. After that point I was still tripping but I found it fun again.

T+5:00
The comedown of an LSA trip is nothing to write home about. I find it nearly impossible to sleep on the stuff, since I'm twitching around in bed for hours. Anyway, about this time I was still tripping, but not as much, and I was tired so I took some melatonin to calm me down and let me sleep. Eventually it worked.

What's the moral of the story? Well, for me MG seeds have provided everything from a great, fun, visual trip,... to an evening of pure physical discomfort or losing one's mind (and not for the better). This night was somewhere in between. The nitrous was the perfect addition to the equation.

Are MG seeds worth it? It depends what you are looking for. Personally, sometimes I look forward to a night of craziness. MG seeds are sure to supply that! However, I would always prefer to eat shrooms over MG seeds, and probably would prefer DXM over them most of the time as well.
 
nice. im very surprised you got so much out of only 200 seeds, even with the weed and nitrous thrown in the mix. ill be doing 350 again this friday, maybe mixed with a gram of cubensis. a good way to combat the body discomfort for me is to NOT take any sort of stomach medicine or smoke pot before the peak, because in my experience the pot does help you keep them down, but unless you just wanna smoke a shitload of weed,(i dont usually smoke any on mg seeds) the discomfort will come back sooner or later. all i do is chew and swallow the seeds like you did, deal with the nausea and discomfort until exactly an hour after ingestion, and just puke all i need at the 1 hour mark. every time ive done this, i have almost no discomfort after vommiting, no weed needed. if there still is a bit of nausea, a small amount of ginger gets rid of it completely.
weed will definately kick the trip up a notch visually, but in my opinion is creates more of a cloudiness mentally, which totally changes the experience, and nearly destroys the extreme clarity that i like so much on mg seeds. weed for me is best smoked by itsself. im surprised you had such a tough comedown. coming down is pretty slow, and if it was only 5 hrs after ingestion, you were probably still going pretty strong. im not entirely down from lsa until around the 8 hour mark, which leaves me with a pleasant afterglow making it easy to fall asleep. a good tip is to never take them later than around 4-5 pm.

by the way, im also surprised by the fact that you enjoy dxm more than ergot alkaloids. dxm has always given me very uncomfortable(although sometimes intense) experiences with no euphoria whatsoever. the peaks of all my mg seed trips have always come with a VERY powerful euphoria and extreme clarity, with no discomfort. to each his own i guess. enjoyed reading your report man.
 
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Yeah I was also surprised I got that much out of 200 seeds. LSA has always been an unpredictable experience for me and this proves it I guess. I've never taken more than 275 seeds because I'm afraid the side effects, combined with the mindfuck that accompanies a high dose, will be so bad that it would cause me to have a very bad trip.

I think that is good advice, to eat lots of seeds and try to hold them in for one hour, then puke. Like you said, the discomfort does always come back! Next time I'll definitely try that.

As for the herb, I've always felt that without smoking it at some point before the peak, I'm missing out, or like the peak isn't very pronounced on its own and *needs* something to kick it up a notch. But maybe that's because I haven't really been able to comfortably take a large enough dose that it wouldn't need weed to kick it up.

The comedown for me isn't mentally tough, but I tend to get muscle spasms and can't stop twitching. As you can imagine this makes it hard to sleep =)

Thanks for your comments!

edit: oh yeah, dxm is totally euphoric for me... lsa is too but its hard to enjoy it when you're concerned about your physical health =\
 
bluedolphin said:
Yeah I was also surprised I got that much out of 200 seeds. LSA has always been an unpredictable experience for me and this proves it I guess. I've never taken more than 275 seeds because I'm afraid the side effects, combined with the mindfuck that accompanies a high dose, will be so bad that it would cause me to have a very bad trip.

I think that is good advice, to eat lots of seeds and try to hold them in for one hour, then puke. Like you said, the discomfort does always come back! Next time I'll definitely try that.

As for the herb, I've always felt that without smoking it at some point before the peak, I'm missing out, or like the peak isn't very pronounced on its own and *needs* something to kick it up a notch. But maybe that's because I haven't really been able to comfortably take a large enough dose that it wouldn't need weed to kick it up.

The comedown for me isn't mentally tough, but I tend to get muscle spasms and can't stop twitching. As you can imagine this makes it hard to sleep =)

Thanks for your comments!

edit: oh yeah, dxm is totally euphoric for me... lsa is too but its hard to enjoy it when you're concerned about your physical health =\




from what ive read about psychedelic use in old tribal cultures, vommiting before the real experience is a sign that your body needs to be purified and cleansed, and although i dont know what to beleive when it comes to plant sprits and such, after vommiting only once every time on mg seeds i feel much calmer and quite euphoric. also, there is no need to worry about your physical health taking mg seeds, because it seems like you only do them very occaisionally. theyre actually quite safe, so you can pretty much rest assured that you arent hurting yourself. paranoia may have also been a factor in your discomfort. you'll be fine, just lay back and let the seeds permeate your mind.

In all honesty, i didnt find much of a difference in side effects taking 350 seeds than when i took 200. i think me letting myself puke and eating a bit of ginger afterwards has always taken care of most discomfort. without smoking pot, it will take around 4 hours or even a little more to really peak, and it always takes me by complete surprise because of the extreme time distortion. be patient, itll hit you hard eventually.


i still prefer mushrooms over mg seeds, not to mention anything else, but ive had so many mushroom experiences that during the last 2 months ive chosen mg seeds as my tool for learning. for me it seems that ive learned all i can from mushrooms for the time being, and LSAs are just starting to enlighten me. plus, theyre just totally different than anything ive tried before. its very hard to beleive that there are any chemical similarites between LSAs and LSD.(besides the fact that theyre psychedelics)
the best way for me to describe my typical LSA trip would be clear tranquil mysticism. its a very mysterious psychedelic with endless potential. fuck, ive blabbed my ass off, haha. ill be sure to write up a report for my next experience. take it easy man, peace.
 
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