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Misc Month long alcohol binge?

Thanks for all the responses; I really appreciate them. As I said in my last post--I experienced no w/d at all thankfully.

All the responses informing me that I'd have to drink for far longer even to experience moderate withdrawal encourage me to drink some more at a subtle level. I'm trying my best to 'quit while I'm ahead" however, as someone recommended

DexterMeth said:
Isn't ketamine and NMDA antagonist?

Also, calified livers.
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Yes it is an NMDA antagonist.

The "depersonalization" comment is interesting. Alcohol withdrawal causes dynorphin (binds to kappa opioid receptors) upregulation, which is well known to cause depersonalization. I hope I never get to that point. :!


haden said:
It has been proposed that brain damage due to alcohol withdrawal may be prevented by the administration of NMDA antagonists, calcium antagonists, and glucocorticoid antagonists.


Just something to consider for anyone who is preparing to stop a bad alcohol habit cold turkey (dangerous and not advised)..
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interesting--my only problem with this, however, is that the neural damage is often times inflicted before cessation of use is initiated. No doubt, though, that withdrawal itself can cause damage to the CNS.
 
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Moredopamine said:
Surprisingly, on my first day sober (and the second one today), I felt no withdrawal effects whatsoever and have been unusually upbeat.
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This is great to hear. Do yourself a favour and really try to steer clear of extended periods of alcohol abuse. It really is such an addictive substance and often (as with most addiction) you don't realise you're addicted until it's too late.

Take care man <3
 
pontifex01 said:
Regarding milk thistle, that's been proven (PubMed) to be hocus pocus. So don't bother. Alcohol however severely depletes electrolytes, vitamins B6 & 12, and vitamin E stores in your body. So if you want to recuperate faster, buy a potassium/magnesium supplement as well as the relevant vitamins at a health store. You can take high doses of the B vits because they're water soluble and you'll piss them out, but take the recommended dosage of vitamin E as it's fat soluble and will accumulate in your body to harmful levels otherwise.

Take care man.
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Thats funny, I know someone with liver problems who swears by milk thistle. He is adamant of it's efficacy. Does it have absolutely no health benefits?
 
considering when i quite drinking and had a accident that put me in the hospital within two weeks of quiting ,and my liver values were close to 200 ,and 2 months later it was 60 tells me milk thistle DOES work

do some research at healthrecovery.com bio recovery was the best think i EVER came across ,i had depleted so much essential nutrients i was REALLY depressed ,REALLY REALLY BAD anxiety ,all i could do was stair at walls ,couldnt laugh .concentration was shot to hell

people have been diagnosed "crazy" because of the damage alcohol did to the brain and thought process ....

im horribly allergic to alcohol ,i get drunk one night and im shaking and puking,with anxiety basically all the works .....

omega 3 6 and 9 is a must
GLA
b vitamins
find a multi vit. without iron so you can take alot during the day they have some at healthrecovery.com
TRYPTOPHAN ---it works wonders

dose all these 2-3 times a day for a month and u will be amazed at how u will feel

also u might want to read up on THIQ's alcoholics produce these inside the body and they resemble a opiate ,really interesting stuff ,i would get so much euphoria from alcohol it was crazy ,but when stopped drinking for the night the high went away real quick ,but one beer and 5 min later i was feeling it again ,worth a read
 
oh i have experienced depersonalization and derealization (sp) to the point of feeling like i was in a movie ,and not recognizing myself in the mirror REALLY scary shit ...
 
Moredopamine said:
Yes it is an NMDA antagonist.

The "depersonalization" comment is interesting. Alcohol withdrawal causes dynorphin (binds to kappa opioid receptors) upregulation, which is well known to cause depersonalization. I hope I never get to that point.
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Interesting. I spent 2010 on and off on that point. I also happened to quit years of heavy daily benzo use, and finally (a couple weeks ago), buprenorphine as well. I know that bupe has an enhanced effect on kappa over Mu and Delta and I abused alcohol and 1,4-BDO quite heavily through the past year to get over the benzos (without getting addicted) as well.

I just take multivitamins now and fish oil.

I smoke sometimes. Maybe like once every 2-3 days.
 
You must have to be a beyond epic drinker to develope a significant physical dependence. People drink so much, so often. I've never seen any of them in alcohol withdrawal.

If only benzos were so forgiving.
 
Id just like to add a personal anecdote to this for the sake of harm reduction....

A few years ago I was in a position where I was working on a job where drinking wasnt just allowed, it was actively encouraged with my "employer" literally dragging me out of bed and pouring booze down my throat if I tried to abstain.

I would drink I would say an minimum of 10 units of alcohol a night and fuck knows what the maximum was but drinking till you passout style. We were living on a tourbus and during those two months there were only 2 days where I woke up in my bunk sober. Every other morning I woke up verging from that "Im still too drunk to drive a car" to absolutely aresholed.

Now this was all fun and games and we had a great time, but after 2 months, the tour ended and I went home.

First day or so I was fine without drinking, then I experienced pretty much hell. My eyes and skin were had a yellow tinge and I had no appetite or energy, was really depressed, couldnt stabilize my body temperature and once or twice very very nearly fainted when walking to my toilet from my bedroom to throw up. It was fucking horrible and in retrospect I should probably have gone to hospital, but hey ho, the ignorance of youth!

Anyways I stopped drinking for a few weeks, and then was fine, but don't believe people saying that "you'll be fine" with whatever, as two months of hitting it real hard for me was enough to go through this.

Im not sure wether it was alcohol withdrawal or just my body and liver spazzing out after some real bad abuse but it was horrible. I've done heroin cold turkeys that were easier so just take care, and space out your drinking.
 
i used to drink very heavily and go on wild benders, i did this for months, eventually when i started to sober up i would get de-personalized and edgy, speedy almost like i was on speed, anxious, strange thoughts, aches from liver area, mild hallucinations, sweats. no shakes though. dull thoughts the next day, unable to think properly. it was quite fucked up. i wonder how much damage ive done to myself from that abuse. have cut down a lot in the past few years, although i started up a dodgy mephedrone habit but recently stopped that. been taking a lot of omega 3, vitamin tablets, milk thistle, 5-htp, piracetam sometimes, ginko, various other things. omega 3 definitely sharpens me up
 
I might need to hop on the milk thistle train. Like 3 of you have mentioned it now.

I'm already on the omegas and multi-vit schtick, and having to resort to psychiatric drugs feels like an utter failure.
 
to tell the truth when i was taking milk-thistle i wouldnt throw up blood when binge'n the way i did

add tryptophan ,this completely turned my situation around ,tryptophan and omega's

not to overshadow the need for other nutrients
 
attempt4 said:
Thats funny, I know someone with liver problems who swears by milk thistle. He is adamant of it's efficacy. Does it have absolutely no health benefits?
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I dont think it has proven health benefits but I have heard of alot of bodybuilders who use streiods swear by milk thistle to protect there liver
 
^ When I say it works for me, I mean that when I take it during and after a weekend binge, I feel better. It might just be psychosomatic, but since its cheap I don't care as long as it works :)
 
no hurt at all ,i took 1000mg before bed but dont mix in 5htp

im sure u know anything vitamin /nutrient wise that isnt used by the body is just pissed out mostly
 
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