Modern PCT

DavidWhy

DavidWhy

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It's been a while since I was in the steroid game. I used to use and sell. But I only lifted weights to get a great body and look good naked. A lot of my friends are body-builders though and one of my best friends won the British this year and came second in the World so I was selling to pretty serious lifters. Another customer is a screw in HMP Leeds too. He wasn't happy to see me turn up! Haha. I was shipped out the next day.

What is the PCT people are running nowadays though, cause like I say, I have been out the game a long time. In my day you finihed your cycle, and started your PCT based on the ester of your gear and it was basically just Clomid and Nolva combined, with a bit of HCG which you would have also used once or twice during your cycle to keep your boys happy. Then of course you had Letro, arimidex and all those put to one side in the hope you would never need to use them.

Is PCT the same compounds now then? Nolva and Clomid (fucking spunk juice) or have they created more sensible sophisticated stuff that doesn't make you go blind, break down in tears and cum like a rampant porn star?
 
Nope. Nolva and Clomid is still the choice PCT.

People tend to use a low dose of Anastrozole on cycle to control estrogen and reduce bloat. I actually use Letrozole twice a week to keep my estrogen at an optimum level.

HCG has fallen out of use somewhat. People have realized it isn't needed because your testes come back to normal size at the end of PCT from Clomid.
 
Personally, I use aromasin during my cycle. I also use HCG 250IU 2x week. I will be using toremifene for my PCT this time. I have been hearing some good things about it.
 
There are many different protocols.

Everything from the simple 2 weeks of 40mg nolva per day + 2 weeks 20mg nolva per day to various nolva/clomid/hcg combinations to other serms (toremifene for example) to using triptorelin to kickstart the htpa to slowly tapering the test + low dose nolva (some guys on t-nation are big on that one) to various combinations of the previous to doing nothing and waiting for your body to start producing it's own test on it's own.

Lots of people use hcg during long cycles to prevent testicular atrophy from happening in the first place. 250IU 2x per week is the usual dose as far as I know. But that has it's own problems since hcg can increase e2 and cause problems this way.

At the end it boils down to what you think is best and which pct drugs don't give you bad sides (clomid can cause some unpleasant sides).

Also whatever you do, an otherwise healthy hpta should recover eventually even without pct, pct is meant to make recovery faster.

The main problem about pct is that actual scientific studies on pct are very limited so you're left with other peoples anecdotal evidence and your personal experience.
 
crazycatman said:
Also whatever you do, an otherwise healthy hpta should recover eventually even without pct, pct is meant to make recovery faster.
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Aw you need PCT. It isn't just to make you recover faster it is to rebalance the hormones in your body that you have been fucking with for the last X amount of months!

If you don't do it you lose all your gains. Your body goes into a catabolic state with all the cortisone (or cortisol - I always mix the 2 up) running round your body. You lose energy and can't train as hard, your have low test and your boys don't make any more. If you don't do a PCT you just stay big and strong whilst you are on your cycle and then you are back to where you were BEFORE you did steroids, even smaller sometimes. And that is just from a bodybuilding perspective. Whaty about your health and not messing up your body that you have to live with forever.

People may disagree but I think if you do a cycle without a proper PCT you don't know a thing about steroids, you are taking gambles with your health, you have more money than sense, you are a corner cutter and you shouldn't be taking steroids at all. It's nonsensical. Yeah, you might get your boys back after a while, but so what. It'll take longer and in that time your will have lost your weight and your hormones will be everywhere. Madness. You should never do a cycle without PCT. You might get away with it once whilst you are young and your body can recover from anything but make a habit of it and you'll mess yourself up.
 
I was going more along these lines:
- take two 100 person groups of volunteers, have both run 500mg test for 12 weeks after measuring their hormones
- give one group pct, other group nothing
- measure their hormones 2 years later

I really don't thing that the pct group would get different results than the no pct group.

It wasn't meant as a recommendation to skip pct or anything like that. Sorry if I wasn't clear.
 
crazycatman said:
I was going more along these lines:
- take two 100 person groups of volunteers, have both run 500mg test for 12 weeks after measuring their hormones
- give one group pct, other group nothing
- measure their hormones 2 years later

I really don't thing that the pct group would get different results than the no pct group.
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Probably in two years time the No PCT group's hormone levels would stabilize. But the time leading up to that would of consisted of symptoms of low testosterone and immediate loss of lean muscle mass for the No PCT group.

PCT helps stabilize hormones and get natural Testosterone levels back to baseline. That's why it has been the definitive practice for those running cycles.
 
Of coure, I wasn't trying to say no pct is a good idea. My point was more like 'pct speeds up recovery but isn't some magic combination of pills that will quickly restore hormones to what they were before.' More like good pct makes recovery faster (and lets you keep more gains), but you still need time for it to be complete.

Sorry if it came out wrong.
 
Best PCT is 200-300mg of test cruise until your ready to blast again. That is only if you want to keep any if your gains you made whilst on cycle.
 
Cenzi stop telling people to blast and cruise on this forum, youl have noobs doing this, not realising what their doing to themselves.
Blasting + cruising is fine for people who understand what it is
 
Blasting and cruising is for serious bodybuilders and powerlifters who have though long and hard about what they want to do. It isn't something a steroid newbie should decide to do on the spot. It should only be done if you are committed 100% and have finances to do it along with the finances to get regular blood work.

The guy who just started working out 3 months ago and is 150lbs with high body fat has no business blasting and cruising just yet. The faggot trying to get shredded for a rave or who wants to emulate that piece of shit Zyzz has no business blasting and cruising. It's for serious bodybuilders only who want to go beyond the limit.
 
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