• The Dark Side 💕 Welcome Guest 💕
    Posting Rules Bluelight Rules
    Notable Threads Urgent Hotlines
    Bereavement Mindfulness
    Suicide Support Anger Management
  • TDS Moderators: AlphaMethylPhenyl | paranoid android

MMT Refuses to Help

B

BananasAndOranges

Bluelighter
Joined
Mar 25, 2010
Messages
1,982
They have kept me on a low dose for over 2 months now. I have talked to them numerous times that it really in all honesty doesn't matter if I am on benzos but they seem to think upping my dose by 10mgs will kill me. Im starting to use heroin ontop because now I cant get by through the day. What the fuck am I supposed to do about this. I think its very unprofessional for them to tell me no after I lowered my benzo Intake for a Severe anxiety disorder.
 
I'm not sure why the benzos have anything to do with your methadone dosage. Are they worried about the combination of CNS depressants?

I understand why they won't up your methadone dose after two months. The way they see it, that's like tapering in the wrong direction. The public sector doesn't see MMT as a heroin alternative. It's seen as a stepping stone to sobriety.
 
they dont want you to mix the benzos with the methadone most likely, what bout trying some suboxone instead?
 
I thought that part of the stepping stone to sobriety with MMT is getting on a high enough dose where you don't have any withdrawals and cravings and stay there for a while so you can get used to living a more "normal" life, then after you've been stable awhile they drop you down slowly.

I mean it seems to me if they just keep on tapering you now while you haven't even stabilized and are still scoring heroin, you will go right back to heroin after they taper you to zero.

It seems to me they should slowly raise your dose until you are comfortable, even if you are on benzos, especially if you've been on them awhile and are tolerant to their effects.

I've never been on MMT but have friends that have and that's my understanding of how it works.
 
Normally I'd agree, but after two months it's a difficult case to make. You have to recognize the challenges involved in structuring a tapering program when a person's ceiling is constantly fluctuating.

I don't know enough about the system to really give advice on how to work with it. For example, I'm not sure if they work with addicts who are actively using, and thus require a flexible prescription, or they have rules they have to follow. I'm assuming the latter. I was just hoping to give some perspective.
 
i think your avatar, is just prefect Cyc; heart braking, but with a smile.

batman is right, they will up and up and up, to outright unnecessary and out ragiously hi doses, "to keep people off the street" - i would bet that's the case half the time... mmt centers, or the manufactures rather have an ingenious concept with this concept, its hard to dispute, but...

in bc, sweden, i know for sure provide on site diactyl morphine, medical grade rather then methadone.

now, batman, you want to do this properly, and utilize the concept of some ' hang time' before leaving this familiariaty. it is noble of you, but, what Cyc has said about the two months, is true. i imagine they are thinking that you are stabilized and panicking for what ever reason.

you didn't mention what you current dose is, or i didn't notice; if you are at a level where 10mgs would be a significant parentage, then they may very well be worried about an interaction, especially if you are on a large dose of benzos.

i have no experience with mmt, but opioids yes, if you can lean off the H, your current baseline of methadone will work... it will suck for a while, but not as bad as now, or before.

if i knew a loop hole, it sounds warranted, as i believe you do want better for your life. i just hope you aren't thinking something along the lines of, "they wouldn't up me, so ill show them" - concisely or not.
 
they tend to be really strict about benzos. the medical profession sees most overdose as benzos + other depressants. that's not only cuz its dangerous but also 90% of drug abusers also use or abuse benzos

my clinic let me go as high as i wanted to, they kept upping it cuz it wouldnt keep me from being sick the full 24 hours cuz my body was used to even longer acting poppies and taking their daily dose 3x a day split in thirds. clinics around here only do once a day dosing. thats actually why i switched to subox

since theyre so worried about benzos it's policy to count the benzo pills each time u have to go to ur counselor. if ur on benzos they make u bring ur bottle to count. always worried i'll lose it since im so absent minded lol

i think they'd have not gone up very high if i was on a higher benzo dose
 
i used to take 10mgs of klonopin a night and drinnk heavy i have a severe anxiety disorder im currently freaking out punching walls im at 30mgs and have been for 3 months now Im at 10mg of valium a day they should have no problem upping my dose who should i call and what should i do i dont give a fuck about there concerns i came for a reason im tolerant to both this is bullshit i feel mlike utter shit'
 
panic in paradise said:
i think your avatar, is just prefect Cyc; heart braking, but with a smile.

batman is right, they will up and up and up, to outright unnecessary and out ragiously hi doses, "to keep people off the street" - i would bet that's the case half the time... mmt centers, or the manufactures rather have an ingenious concept with this concept, its hard to dispute, but...

in bc, sweden, i know for sure provide on site diactyl morphine, medical grade rather then methadone.

now, batman, you want to do this properly, and utilize the concept of some ' hang time' before leaving this familiariaty. it is noble of you, but, what Cyc has said about the two months, is true. i imagine they are thinking that you are stabilized and panicking for what ever reason.

you didn't mention what you current dose is, or i didn't notice; if you are at a level where 10mgs would be a significant parentage, then they may very well be worried about an interaction, especially if you are on a large dose of benzos.

i have no experience with mmt, but opioids yes, if you can lean off the H, your current baseline of methadone will work... it will suck for a while, but not as bad as now, or before.

if i knew a loop hole, it sounds warranted, as i believe you do want better for your life. i just hope you aren't thinking something along the lines of, "they wouldn't up me, so ill show them" - concisely or not.
Click to expand...
I did that the day the director pissed me off. I really fucked up and should have just weaned off with the 40-50 60mg morphine pills I had. I still dont know why I did that besides I was ate up.
 
I also want to add im on adderall. Should I just start leaving this out of the equation. I take it moreso to get more alert/Up if you will but I was diagnosed with add and still kinda have it.
 
What dose of methadone do they have you on? Shooting dope on top of methadone is getting into trouble certainly at the 2 month mark. When I was on 'done you were pretty much encouraged to use in the first week if your doses were not holding you but at 2 months you should be completely stabilized. I suppose they have their reasoning, most likely the benzos and adderall.

I take it another doc is scripting those. Did the doctor at the clinic make any effort to take over writing the benzo script? What I would do is request to see the doc or counselor [whoever] tell him your concerns that the dose is not holding you and your having to resort to dope. Feel um out before you drop the ball though. If he doesn't agree to raise your dose ask him about maybe he should write your benzo script so he could monitor your intake and you can get medicated adequately [methadone].

Like I mentioned in some of your older posts methadone sucks and can be a bitch. It can be hard transitioning to from the using lifestyle to sip a mouth fulla methadone elixir every morning lifestyle. For me it was I was I think 19 when I first went on 'done, it helped I guess. It helped me to start shooting dope again to get off methadone so I could check in my first of MANY rehabs. None of that worked and I continued using opiates another 13/14 years. Man do I wish I would have shook the habit earlier but I didnt oh well.

Anyways...

I wasn't taking a benzo script when I was on methadone though and that I am sure is what is scaring them. Either that or they just suck because some clinics do suck. There are alot of them in the Chicago area though, even docs that would take on ALL your scripts and just write them for you. They tend to like that control from my experience. Wow I rambled.

peace.
seedless
 
They started me on that dose and never raised me. The nurse told me she could raise it for 2 days the first week in a row. It has always been at 30mgs. The director got kinda mad that she asked if I needed it raised and said "he took a valium he gets 30mgs", after I had told her the first week it wasnt doing that well besides making me sleepy. After that I went and left for a week and did a bunch of morphine,percocet,heroin, and vicodin. I went back after a week because Nothing worked. Nothing covered up the long buzz for that prior week I went. I dunno. I don't like it. As soon as I find Vicodin, or Morphine im going to taper like that. I already feel withdrawals from this stuff. Its only been 2 months and its the nastiest feeling ever. Worse than it was before. I really wish I would have took subs when I had a chance to.
 
They're very nice people they just stress benzo use as bad after I told them repeatedly it doesn't work for me to just stop or go lower and lower for you, its something I need that keeps me Normal. What inner city clinic did you go to in the city? I have to switch because of a move anyway so I'm thinking vicodin but I'm also thinking of asking my doctor tomorrow about it.
 
I don't know if I should tell them I am wanting and been using today I didnt tho. I always drink grapefruit juice or I will Not feel anything from my dose. Not that a I want to get ripped on juice that shits retarded but I will not feel a thing from such a low dose. I tried no juice the other day. I was sick and had to use twice and was still sick.
 
have you considered poppies?

find the right dose, buy a scale if you don't have one. go down like 0.25 or 0.5g every month (just a guestimate) or whatever agrees with you subjectively. youll feel a little shitty but if you go slow enough you should be fine. it would be cheaper than the methadone clinic most likely as well

you could go down faster if you can't be tapering forever, if you're willing to tolerate feeling medium sick rather than low sick like a slow taper would be
 
I understand why they won't up your methadone dose after two months. The way they see it, that's like tapering in the wrong direction. The public sector doesn't see MMT as a heroin alternative. It's seen as a stepping stone to sobriety.
Click to expand...
the main goal of my clinic was keeping us not sick so that we could live our lives and grow/whatever so that we'd eventually be ready to quit. then after that it's important to not reverse the taper but they'll keep you stabilized as long as unti you feel ready, and if you need a dose increase for a reason they usually aren't shitty (at least ime)

i think that's a good thing since with dependence/tolerance you really need to rely on the user's subjective state and allow at least some self direction with addiction (forced cessation usually results in relapse)
 
BananasAndOranges said:
I don't know if I should tell them I am wanting and been using today I didnt tho. I always drink grapefruit juice or I will Not feel anything from my dose. Not that a I want to get ripped on juice that shits retarded but I will not feel a thing from such a low dose. I tried no juice the other day. I was sick and had to use twice and was still sick.
Click to expand...

Are you at C.M. (methadone company), they can be strict. I had problem my first couple years at the clinic until i switched counselors. some are less lenient for sure.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top