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MMDA Thread

Nexus_Tripper

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It looks like a cross between MDA and TMA, which is also not neurotoxic. Does anyone here have experiences with it or MMDAv2, which is a cross between a MDA and TMAv2?



I am not sure where to post this as it is both a psychedelic and an empathogen.
 
MMDA-2 is in PiHKAL, Shulgin compared it to MDA, but people here who took it (Coolio IIRC) thought it was disappointing. Still, only a handful of people have ever tried it.

Questions about MMDA or MMDA-2 go in PD until it can reasonably be ascertained that the compounds make good party drugs (we have no other criterion lol) and we know this to be false in the former case.
 
Having read a short report on DMMDA-2 and its N-methyl analogues somewhere on Erowid, I thought these compounds are all pretty light with barely noticeable psychedelic activity and also far from proper empathogens comparable to MDMA. Doses weren't even comparable to those of MDA though and I wouldn't expect anything significant happening below 150mg.

I guess it's similar to some extent with MMDA and MMDA-2. MMDA doesn't seem to be much like TMA and it may be because the methylenedioxy ring forces the methylene into a fixed position which may be bad for the 3-methoxy interacting with a serine residue but mainly negative for the interaction happening between the receptor and the substituent at the para position of the aromatic ring (also cf. lophophine and mescaline). It seems to be the case here, the active dose is higher and higher dosage may mean that some secondary effects come into play and that may be why MMDA is so different from other 3,4,5-trisubstituted phenethylamines/amphetamines. Overall, there's always a drop in potency if you compare a methylenedioxy compound with its dimethoxy analogue (MMDA vs. TMA, MMDA-2 vs. TMA-2).

On the other hand methoxy and dimethoxy analogues of 6-APB might turn out to be potent psychedelics, the 3. position of benzofuran is extremely susceptible to electrophilic substitution, so we've got a hydrophobic carbon atom with a partial negative charge. I've read some horror stories about 6-APB, it's certainly capable of producing extreme anxiety and paranoia given its action both at 5-HT2A receptors and monoamine transporters. It looks like 5-methoxy group might help to both increase affinity at 5-HT2A receptors and diminish monoaminergic activity. However, the main problem with these compounds is working out the synthesis, the amount of steps and the need of sophisticated methods makes it very troublesome. It should be much easier with 6-APDB analogues and they should still be more potent than methylenedioxyamphetamines, yet probably less potent than methoxylated 6-APB's, the upside is the reduction of monoaminergic activity should be even bigger.
 
Morningloryseed posted a trip report of 300mg MMDA. He reported that it was not particularly euphoric or stimulating but that he was able to interact appropriately with his friend who was taking MDMA for the first time at the same time as he was tripping on the MMDA. He also said the MMDA began to give him OEVs as the night wore on and that he hallucinated webpages, which reminds me of the time I hallucinated floating web cam screens hovering over my bed and watching me and interacting with me once while I was not on any drug. Five hundred mg MMDA may be a more appropriate dose, but whoever wants to try that dose will be the guinea pig as far as I'm aware. I would do it, though, if I had enough of the material. Also, street MMDA appeared in Chicago about 10 years ago, according to reports on Bluelight. Users claimed it was lethargic and best combined with amphetamine. Fastandbulbous almost fell asleep 2x after taking it as well. Other than what's in PiHKAL, that's about all the information I have on this one.

After my disappointing experiences with 3-methoxymethamphetamine, TMA-2, and TMA-6--along with Sasha Shulgin's admission in PiHKAL that he, "would have preferred the latter [mescaline]" as opposed to TMA, I have come to the tentative conclusion that non-halogenated methoxy amphetamines are simply not where's it at.
 
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MMDA-2 at least sounds interesting from the limited available data: 3x the potency of MDA and at least a very gentle and still-rewarding psych, if we can believe PiHKAL. Tetra-alkoxy-substituted phenethylamines have never been very interesting, though; it seems to be too bulky and/or polar. MMDA-3a is also more potent than MDA (60-80 mg active dose), but the less potent members of the series are probably boring.
 
Yeah, I'd like to try MMDA-2. Never figured out why it hasn't been marketed as a research chemical.
 
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