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Heroin Methylphenidate Induces Nod?

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m060mm

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I injected an average dose of heroin about four hours ago and a little booster, two hours ago. I nodded for a bit after each hit. Subtle.

Just now I filtered methylphenidate (IR, generic) to create a 20mg/ml solution. I don't like oral or rectal MPH so I slam a 10mg sample for my first time. Not bad, but not much. Another 20mg and I'm instantly understanding why people have relinquished this to a needle. A particularly anxiogenic rush with more of a body load than I expected. I'd say most of the rush/effect is physical. It's different so if this is your bag, I understand why.

Anyway, I started nodding hard as soon as the 5-minute rush wore off. Like, eyes still rolling in the back of my head, swaying back and forth type dreamland, accompanied by pervasive nausea. I hope this isn't edited for being triggering; this isn't a pleasant nod at all in my opinion. It seemed to significantly slow my heart rate, as if MPH was directly potentiating the heroin.

Does this happen without dope being involved? Does this happen to anyone else, whether or not there's co-administration of heroin?
 
whynaught said:
when the 2-fma just barely wore off I was nodding hard. It was like I could sit up and feel like I was on 2-fma, or if I lied down I was intensely sedated on hydros
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This makes more sense to me. It's why people consider speedballs and the like dangerous; the stimulant wears off and you quickly slip into a much more sedated state than you anticipated.

My experience was just the opposite though: I didn't really start to nod until I took the methylphenidate. It makes me wonder if nodding (there's no medical term for this?) is mediated by dopamine in any way. It seems unlikely given nodding is almost a trance whereas dopamine is excitatory.
 
Stop THIS I DID IT LAST YEAR.

Speedball addiction IS VERY bad. Easy to od. Lets say you are on a high dose but fine but near od -then the same with rit your body works faster STIMULENT so the opiate could be too much.

Again Cocaine Rit MIXE methadone IV amp, Heroin, OC some times midazolam ontop

I died speed balling with 100mg ish diaz. By right I should not be here I thank my dad and paramedic

just WATCH your dose and do 10-30% less
 
Tony Williams said:
Stop THIS I DID IT LAST YEAR.

Speedball addiction IS VERY bad. Easy to od. Lets say you are on a high dose but fine but near od -then the same with rit your body works faster STIMULENT so the opiate could be too much.

Again Cocaine Rit MIXE methadone IV amp, Heroin, OC some times midazolam ontop

I died speed balling with 100mg ish diaz. By right I should not be here I thank my dad and paramedic

just WATCH your dose and do 10-30% less
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100mg diazepam? So you mixed heroin and a high dose of a benzo. I'd say that's what caused the OD, but correct me if I misunderstood. Glad you're still here though, OD's are so sad.
 
How do you get a concentration of methylphenidate at 20mg/mL when it's hardly even soluble in water past 2mg/mL?

I don't think you can nod off non-opioids. Nodding is specific to opioids IMO, it's not a blanket term for sedation.
 
^ If you're really high on stims, you can zone out to the point of essentially nodding out. Different mechanism than with opioids of course, but still...
 
I've experienced that ability to drift in and out of conscioussness after being up for days, however I hesitate to describe it as nodding, since it was not opioid induced. I suppose the word nodding fits, but it doesn't feel right applied to non-opioids IMO.
 
I've certainly felt noddy or just highly tired when my concerta wears off during the day and I take my pain meds at night.
 
Right, right, I wouldn't use the term nod for a similar effect due to a non-opiate.

The reason I chose to use nod is because I had used heroin four hours previous, and then again, two hours prior. So it was certainly still active.

As far as solubility goes, my understanding is that the often quoted 2-3mg/ml is for freebase. Don't quote me, as I'm only quoting Bluelighters. It seems potent enough where I'm confident I'm exceeding the 2-3mg mark but I'm not sure I'm getting the full 20mg. This is my first time trying this. Not really worth it, for any of those curious.

(..preps another shot)

Oh, for the record, I was well-rested when this happened.
 
well my guess is that the crash from the MPH made you more tired, and combined with heroin, then youve got extreme drug induced physical (and possibly mental [but not emotional]) depression, which is not too far away from a nod, using the word "nod" VERY loosely. i cant nod off of a speedball unless it is an ACTUAL speedball, of cocaine and diacetylmorphine injected intravenously. other speedballs, while IMO can be better than the classic speedball (d-meth + morphine = YEAH!!!!), they will not put me in a nod, or even sedate me significantly, but IMO, MPH is just a shittycover version of coke, mimicking the physically stimulating effects, but missing the euphoria, and adding more nasty side effects, IMO its side effects and comedown are worse than meth. Its also very basic (meaning that the solution you made is harmful to your veins), and if i were you, i wouldnt try it again. the MPH novelty goes away faster than almost any other drug ive used. the tolerance builds so fast, the side effects get worse, and then you've exhausted all ROAs and nothing works - its pointless. youd be better off with fucking APAP. its a waste of time, dont do it. i went through my MPH phase too, but in all honesty, its an awful drug, and no matter how much you take, or what ROAs you use, its never gonna feel like coke again after the first time, its just gonna be a shitty physical anxiety-inducing rush that leaves you depressed and fiending for more.

but to directly answer your question, yes, methylphenidate has induced states similar to that of the nod without combing it with an opiate, but it doesnt quite get there. the nod ONLY happens on opiates, but people may mistake the calm, sedating state that high dose IV/rectal/vaporized (no other ROAs produce this state) stimulants induce as a "nod". however, on nods, you are in a state of mild delirium, and many people have day dreams while nodding, and go in and out of concsiousness, which does not happen on stimulants. EVER.

lastly, everything about MPH is an "almost", like it gets you ecxited on the comeup for the imminent rush, or the "nod" but it never quite gets there. its like the blueball drug, essentially. LOL. dont do it, it's dirty, fiendy, and makes you feel like shit, and it gets worse and worse as you keep using it.
 
Bigfanofthemdrugs said:
well my guess is that the crash from the MPH made you more tired
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But that's the thing, it was right after the hit. It was the rush, I guess you'd say. That's what makes it so odd.

Bigfanofthemdrugs said:
Its also very basic (meaning that the solution you made is harmful to your veins)
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Good to know. I'm going to double check that and consider compensating for it. I don't plan to make a habit of this drug/ROA - it's more curiosity.. I did notice a bit of discomfort upon injecting, especially if I slipped out a little and missed a few units.

Bigfanofthemdrugs said:
The MPH novelty goes away faster than almost any other drug ive used. the tolerance builds so fast, the side effects get worse, and then you've exhausted all ROAs and nothing works
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This is what I'm learning. As I said, my first foray into IV MPH. I always hated it every other ROA. But yeah, even within a session the same sized dose gives me markedly less effect.

Bigfanofthemdrugs said:
but people may mistake the calm, sedating state that high dose IV/rectal/vaporized (no other ROAs produce this state) stimulants induce as a "nod". however, on nods, you are in a state of mild delirium, and many people have day dreams while nodding, and go in and out of concsiousness, which does not happen on stimulants. EVER.
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Very good point, I had no dreams, no floaty half-aware hypnosis, etc.

Bigfanofthemdrugs said:
Dont do it, it's dirty, fiendy, and makes you feel like shit, and it gets worse and worse as you keep using it.
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This can generally be said for all the good stuff. Hah.

I definitely wouldn't recommend this experience. Maybe try it if you're curious. They were free, I already had the microns and I'm currently possessed by a case of needle fever. MPH has almost been a cure for this bout of fever, actually.

Thanks fo' all yo replies. I take it back. It doesn't induce a nod, MPH is just paradoxically sedating for me when combined with dope. (Without dope, orally or rectally, it gives me transient-half assed euphoria with long-lasting rage and depression. The amphetamine class is much nicer to me.)
 
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3105120/.


Some people have been known to become tired on methylphenidate. I'm assuming that mu activity as well as this response are somewhat related, but I doubt fully (the latter is more associated with people who have a clinical Attention Deficit illness). The two combined (along with DRI activity) would definitely lead to such an experience.
 
Drugs effect everyone differently. Entirely possible that a small portion of the population experiences paradoxical effects from a certain drug (most drug fact sheets even list paradoxical effects).

Idk if thats whats happening but to say "Its impossible for anyone to nod from X drug" is ludicrous. For all we know he has some crazy neurological disorder that causes it. Highly, highly, highly unlikely, I am by no means saying thats what it is. Just that it is a definite possibility considering everyones neurochemistry is slightly different from person to person (and for some, drastically.
 
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